I'm starting to ship FL with 2ML and ML with that female hoobae of his lol 2ML matches FL crazy vibes haha I like them together. And ML really should meet someone better...just saying
Just binged the first two episodes and now I’m on episode 3. Really enjoying it so far! :D
I can't fully grasp yet why she despises everything about her hometown, but I’m guessing there’s more to her story that hasn’t been revealed yet.
And about the whole appearance dilemma... sure, she has lighter eyes and a few freckles, but it’s not like her look is dramatically different. But people are sometimes insufferable to the slightest difference, so maybe it's not too far-fetched...
And oh man, I felt so bad for Cheon Yeon Su. He’s too good of a person. He honestly deserves someone better... I don’t dislike Ji Gang Hui, but I can’t say I particularly like her either, at least, not yet 😅 Let’s see how things unfold! :D
I love him, the crazier the better🤭. But I get why others can't take him too🥴.
@Mileruichi Your perspective on his character is so beautifully written and insightful. It perfectly captures what I felt but couldn’t express so eloquently!
I think, if it was a secondary female character who is breaking up the main couple just because she couldn't handle…
Ah, okay! "Hate" is a strong word, after all. We’re just watching for some entertainment, right? 😂
I’ll definitely keep your point in mind when watching dramas. But can you actually think of any FML second leads who were written as complex as TM and still received a lot of hate?
While we’re diving into this, I feel like many FML second leads are often written shallow, which makes them easier to dislike. Male leads tend to be written with more depth in general. So, while I do agree with your point, I think this might be another root cause of much of the hate. It’s often the stereotypical “nice second 2ML” and the “evil, jealous second 2FL,” where the character is almost designed to be hated.
In TM’s case, though, he’s written as a complex, multi-layered character and I can’t really recall a second FL with that level of complexity who still gets so much hate.
Just rewatched some scenes from ep. 31 and I'm still whole-heartedly enjoying this drama. It’s such a treat to find one this good and I also like our passionate and lively comment section hehe
We all have different opinions, but that's what makes the discussions so enjoyable! Even when things get heated, I've had nothing but respectful exchanges. Just wanted to take a moment to say thank you and I hope everyone has a wonderful Sunday ❤️😊
I think, if it was a secondary female character who is breaking up the main couple just because she couldn't handle…
I still don’t think this is directly relevant to my comment, but thanks for sharing your perspective :D I mean, should I start hating on him just to make it "fair" to all the second FMLs out there getting hate? Personally, that's not a mindset I’d want to push for myself.
We’re talking about a drama here, but even in real life, I’d try to avoid unnecessary hate. There’s already enough of it in the world, right? 😅
As for the SML, I actually haven’t seen much support for him. Sure, people pity him, but actual support? Not so much. Pitying him isn’t the same as supporting him. I probably sound like a broken record, but I don’t condone his actions, I just pity him.
I think, if it was a secondary female character who is breaking up the main couple just because she couldn't handle…
Funnily enough, you could say this about all characters in general. If the ML was ugly, old or anything else that didn’t fit the typical ideal, people would probably start rooting for the 2ML and get hit with second-lead syndrome.
As humans tend to be shallow, this kind of logic applies to every character 😅
His loneliness is his retribution. Sympathyzing him is equivalent to justifying his actions. We should not romanticize…
Funnily enough, I’m not a big fan of Xianxia genre overall. I’ve only really enjoyed about 3 out of all the ones I’ve tried. I agree that reincarnation is a common and often overused plot device in Xianxia, but for me, it’s the way it’s handled here that stands out. The emotional depth and the exploration of this grand, messy, interconnected story. So far, it didn't feel like a web, that traps itself, to me.
That said, you’re absolutely right. Stories resonate differently for everyone :D
I think, if it was a secondary female character who is breaking up the main couple just because she couldn't handle…
So, while your point about double standards is valid in general. Where does it correlate to my comment? 😅
Tho I do agree, fml 2nd leads often face disproportionate backlash and that’s unfair. But does that mean we should pile more hate just to even the scales? The better solution imo is to extend the same grace to all complex characters, regardless of gender. Let’s critique their actions, sure, but also recognize their humanity (or in this case, their immortality 😜) Well, just my take on it :D
His loneliness is his retribution. Sympathyzing him is equivalent to justifying his actions. We should not romanticize…
I get where you're coming from, but let me respectfully counter a few points :D
First off, sympathizing is not the same as justifying. TM’s actions were wrong, no argument there. But recognizing why he did them and feeling for his plight doesn’t mean I’m endorsing manipulation. It just means I’m appreciating the complexity of a character who isn’t purely evil. That’s what makes a well-written antagonist stand out imo.
Secondly, yes, fiction can influence people, but it’s also where we explore messy, morally gray areas without real-life consequences. Xianxia dramas, in particular, thrive on these dramatic, over-the-top storylines and we as viewers know it’s not a guide for real life. TM isn’t a role model, he’s a cautionary tale wrapped in heartbreak and tragedy.
Lastly, while karma is a powerful theme. Ironically "Book of Fate governs karma". He created his own suffering, but that doesn’t mean we can’t mourn the path he’s taken. It’s possible to acknowledge his flaws, condemn his choices and still feel sadness for his fate. Fiction lets us do that :)
You think the plot is stupid because of its genre. Fair, Xianxia isn’t for everyone. Funnily, Xianxia genre is not even kind of cup, but there are some gems out there, imo, like this one. At the end of the day, the beauty of fiction is that it sparks discussion like this one! 🫶
Kangaroo Logics Lmao..So because he don't have something, he have to go steal it or force it to be with him wether…
I think you missed the point I was trying to make. Let me clarify:
I’m not justifying TM’s actions... far from it. Manipulation and forcing someone into a relationship are absolutely wrong and I fully condemn those behaviors. What I’m saying is that his character is more complex than just being evil or selfish. His loneliness and desperation are key to understanding why he does what he does, not to excuse it, but to explore what makes him tick. Isn’t that what makes a compelling antagonist in the first place?
As for your point about the love triangle and screen time: the story might not be what you expected, but this isn’t about sidelining the ML. TM’s actions are why the main couple’s love story even has stakes. Without him, there’s no conflict to overcome. He’s not here to replace anyone, he’s here to push the plot forward, even if it pisses you off in the process. That’s what good writing does: it evokes strong emotions, whether love or hate.
I didn't read the novel nor will I. I'm here watching the drama and will judge accordingly.
At the end of the day, everyone’s entitled to their opinion (and rage, apparently 😅), but I just think TM’s character is worth looking at beyond a surface level. If that makes me a sucker for nuanced storytelling, so be it! 😄
So many hate comments about TM... Meanwhile, I can’t help but feel sorry for him 😅 If the story had been told from his perspective—from the time he and Pearl were created, showing their shared past—I’m sure people would feel differently. But, of course, it is mandatory to hate the second lead just because you're rooting for the main couple...
I don’t think so. In fact, I find his character incredibly intriguing and complex. Knowing he’s headed for a tragic ending makes him even more pitiful in my eyes.
And please don’t hit me with the “Would you pity someone like that in real life?” argument. We’re watching a freaking Xianxia drama! Also not everything is black and white, especially not TM lol I can condemn his actions, but still sympathize with him because, honestly, he’s the loneliest character in the story. I can’t even begin to comprehend the depth of his feelings. He doesn’t want to be alone for eternity. Can you imagine how lonely that would be? Worse than death imo.
As for everyone blaming him for turning Xue Chen/Zhao Ming into the demon lord... Let’s not forget: without TM, this love story wouldn’t even exist! He was the one who placed Pearl in the pond and ensured Zhao Ming would heal her. You can’t have one part of the story and disregard the rest. Just saying 😜
Few hours later and I’ve finally finished episode 30! 😅 Sh*t was SO good! I swear, I had almost every scene on repeat lol I’m sure you can tell from my flood of comments just what kind of wild ride this episode was hahaha
Woke up early to binge two episodes and now it's already midday in my country—time really flies when you're glued to a screen, repeating everything 😂 Gonna go fuel my human body now.
I can't fully grasp yet why she despises everything about her hometown, but I’m guessing there’s more to her story that hasn’t been revealed yet.
And about the whole appearance dilemma... sure, she has lighter eyes and a few freckles, but it’s not like her look is dramatically different. But people are sometimes insufferable to the slightest difference, so maybe it's not too far-fetched...
And oh man, I felt so bad for Cheon Yeon Su. He’s too good of a person. He honestly deserves someone better... I don’t dislike Ji Gang Hui, but I can’t say I particularly like her either, at least, not yet 😅 Let’s see how things unfold! :D
I’ll definitely keep your point in mind when watching dramas. But can you actually think of any FML second leads who were written as complex as TM and still received a lot of hate?
While we’re diving into this, I feel like many FML second leads are often written shallow, which makes them easier to dislike. Male leads tend to be written with more depth in general. So, while I do agree with your point, I think this might be another root cause of much of the hate. It’s often the stereotypical “nice second 2ML” and the “evil, jealous second 2FL,” where the character is almost designed to be hated.
In TM’s case, though, he’s written as a complex, multi-layered character and I can’t really recall a second FL with that level of complexity who still gets so much hate.
I’d be curious to hear your examples :D
We all have different opinions, but that's what makes the discussions so enjoyable! Even when things get heated, I've had nothing but respectful exchanges. Just wanted to take a moment to say thank you and I hope everyone has a wonderful Sunday ❤️😊
We’re talking about a drama here, but even in real life, I’d try to avoid unnecessary hate. There’s already enough of it in the world, right? 😅
As for the SML, I actually haven’t seen much support for him. Sure, people pity him, but actual support? Not so much. Pitying him isn’t the same as supporting him. I probably sound like a broken record, but I don’t condone his actions, I just pity him.
As humans tend to be shallow, this kind of logic applies to every character 😅
That said, you’re absolutely right. Stories resonate differently for everyone :D
Tho I do agree, fml 2nd leads often face disproportionate backlash and that’s unfair. But does that mean we should pile more hate just to even the scales? The better solution imo is to extend the same grace to all complex characters, regardless of gender. Let’s critique their actions, sure, but also recognize their humanity (or in this case, their immortality 😜) Well, just my take on it :D
First off, sympathizing is not the same as justifying. TM’s actions were wrong, no argument there. But recognizing why he did them and feeling for his plight doesn’t mean I’m endorsing manipulation. It just means I’m appreciating the complexity of a character who isn’t purely evil. That’s what makes a well-written antagonist stand out imo.
Secondly, yes, fiction can influence people, but it’s also where we explore messy, morally gray areas without real-life consequences. Xianxia dramas, in particular, thrive on these dramatic, over-the-top storylines and we as viewers know it’s not a guide for real life. TM isn’t a role model, he’s a cautionary tale wrapped in heartbreak and tragedy.
Lastly, while karma is a powerful theme. Ironically "Book of Fate governs karma". He created his own suffering, but that doesn’t mean we can’t mourn the path he’s taken. It’s possible to acknowledge his flaws, condemn his choices and still feel sadness for his fate. Fiction lets us do that :)
You think the plot is stupid because of its genre. Fair, Xianxia isn’t for everyone. Funnily, Xianxia genre is not even kind of cup, but there are some gems out there, imo, like this one. At the end of the day, the beauty of fiction is that it sparks discussion like this one! 🫶
Also the story is far from over. I'm pretty sure his karma will come...
I’m not justifying TM’s actions... far from it. Manipulation and forcing someone into a relationship are absolutely wrong and I fully condemn those behaviors. What I’m saying is that his character is more complex than just being evil or selfish. His loneliness and desperation are key to understanding why he does what he does, not to excuse it, but to explore what makes him tick. Isn’t that what makes a compelling antagonist in the first place?
As for your point about the love triangle and screen time: the story might not be what you expected, but this isn’t about sidelining the ML. TM’s actions are why the main couple’s love story even has stakes. Without him, there’s no conflict to overcome. He’s not here to replace anyone, he’s here to push the plot forward, even if it pisses you off in the process. That’s what good writing does: it evokes strong emotions, whether love or hate.
I didn't read the novel nor will I. I'm here watching the drama and will judge accordingly.
At the end of the day, everyone’s entitled to their opinion (and rage, apparently 😅), but I just think TM’s character is worth looking at beyond a surface level. If that makes me a sucker for nuanced storytelling, so be it! 😄
I don’t think so. In fact, I find his character incredibly intriguing and complex. Knowing he’s headed for a tragic ending makes him even more pitiful in my eyes.
And please don’t hit me with the “Would you pity someone like that in real life?” argument. We’re watching a freaking Xianxia drama! Also not everything is black and white, especially not TM lol I can condemn his actions, but still sympathize with him because, honestly, he’s the loneliest character in the story. I can’t even begin to comprehend the depth of his feelings. He doesn’t want to be alone for eternity. Can you imagine how lonely that would be? Worse than death imo.
As for everyone blaming him for turning Xue Chen/Zhao Ming into the demon lord... Let’s not forget: without TM, this love story wouldn’t even exist! He was the one who placed Pearl in the pond and ensured Zhao Ming would heal her. You can’t have one part of the story and disregard the rest. Just saying 😜
Woke up early to binge two episodes and now it's already midday in my country—time really flies when you're glued to a screen, repeating everything 😂 Gonna go fuel my human body now.
Have a fun watch, latecomers! Kekekekeke 😏