I am a K-pop fan, especially of a certain group, but never once, ever, have I thought my favorite idols shouldn't have their own private lives.
It's beyond ridiculous to think idols **actually** belong to the fans as if they were some kind of toy or other possession.
Sadly in various real-life fandoms, I have seen the same kind of toxic, obsessive crap Thame and his bandmates are experiencing in the series. It's beyond mind-boggling that some out-of-touch-with-reality fans (sasaengs) are so delusional in their fantasies that they decide to completely freak out and ruin an idol's life if the idol "disappoints" them in some way.
That makes me so upset. Do we honestly expect these these people, these ENTERTAINERS - for that is exactly what they are, **NOT PROPERTY** - to be complete monks and nuns for their entire lives??
UGH.
But on a different note.....it seems like the writers really understand all of that and wanted to make a subtle comment about it. Perhaps the band members (in real life, they are the T-pop group LYKN) contributed to that part of the story, too. They may have experienced some of that, themselves. So well done to the writers!!
I would understand the physical assault because Fujisawa is an angry character but sexual assault really ?? It…
According to those who have read the novel the drama is based on (I have not), there's a whole lot of back story stuff that was not included in the series. Apparently the novel is much more explicit about the physical abuse and rape in that scene.
So while the SA may seem to come out of nowhere in the series, in the novel you get much more context.
She **FINALLY** explained to Hagiwara why she won't have sex with him, but it distinctly sounded like something she has known about herself for a long time. It's not a revelation to her understanding about herself at all. SHE HAS KNOWN this is a problem in ALL of her intimate relationships.
So why didn't she just talk to Hagiwara a long time ago? Why hasn't she gotten counseling? Why didn't she ask him to help her reawaken her passion as a lover? Or why didn't she tell him AGES ago and then just let him go if she was not interested in finding a way to work through it together???
Both she and Fujisawa are manipulative and abusive in their own respective ways. And I'm not even going to mention how Fujisawa SA'ed Sei. That was just........
Thank you for saving my time. I freaking hate all these tropes.
Hidden Love is one of my favorites, too, and I had the same feeling about it. **sigh**
I'm not sure why some series (especially Chinese ones) are dragged out like that. In so many of them, I think the quality and viewer satisfaction would be much higher if the episodes were reduced by at least 1/4.
Thank you for saving my time. I freaking hate all these tropes.
Honestly if it weren't for that, I would be enjoying it a lot more, because it's a good series otherwise.
It has a great cast, and the story does touch on some important topics as well as having good scenes. And the cinematography is excellent.
But the trope I mentioned drags on and on, and extends the series much longer than it needs to be. It could have been a probable 24 episode series (or at most, 30 ) instead of the actual 38 episodes.
Is anyone else getting frustrated with the NEVER-ENDING "I can't tell you anything bad that's happening to me because I have to protect you so you can be happy and do all the things you want to do in life" trope??? (eye surgery, mom's cancer, PTSD, etc)
All of the LIES and internal self-sabotaging is ruining the story for me.
So, so frustrating to see this over and over and over in every single episode.
I have never understood why, in these dramas, NO ONE locks their bedroom door, and NO ONE (parents, siblings, friends) knocks before they walk in. It's just.....you're getting frisky with your partner and then over their naked shoulder you see Dad or Mom or little sister or your best friend standing there. WTH, ppl????
Anyway, I've been enjoying the PerthSanta chemistry so much in these episodes. They really are very cute and natural together.
But I have a question......why does Perth kiss Santa that way? It's not exactly sexy to see anyone lead with their lips like that, almost like they're a homing beacon for the other person's mouth. "Lips puckered.....acquiring target.......contact made......"
Yeesh.
Lastly.....in Ep 16......Yotha was the only one of the group who hadn't figured out who his "buddy" was, yet.......did I miss the reveal?
I LOVE LOVE LOVE this kind of naturally filmed series. Some of it is scripted of course, but much of it feels totally organic and somewhat ad-libbed.
The cinematography gives a feeling of an on-the-street reporter filming people he meets, or just people watching. The groups of kids feel like real school kids that are hanging out together, instead of a bunch of actors who have to hit their marks at certain angles to make them look photogenic.
I am **really** enjoying this so far. Can't wait to see more.
In real life, sometimes people don't know when to NOT TALK when someone they care about is hurting. Instead of saying things out loud and forcing / expecting the person who's hurting to engage, the friend / family member / significant other can still find non-verbal ways to be supportive.
Such is the case with Ep 18, when Zan is crying after earlier experiencing horrific flashbacks at the company team-building event.
Ran comes out of the bedroom where she had been waiting for Zan, and walks into the room where he is sitting on the couch, wiping his face because he doesn't want her to see him upset. But the viewer (and she) can still clearly see some tears on his cheeks. Plus Ran had seen him crying before she walked into the room.
But instead of sitting down next to him and just holding his hand, or wrapping her arms around him, or maybe even just sitting close but not touching......and not talking....... just letting him process his thoughts and calm down while she's there quietly being supportive........she - knowing FULL WELL that his trauma is MUCH deeper than hers especially since his friend died, and knowing full well (since she talked to the therapist at the hospital) that he has severe PTSD - decides to verbally engage while he's still very upset.
Having been through some trauma of my own and needing to be with someone who understood that some things just cannot be talked about right away........that scene was SO freaking disappointing. I am seriously not happy with the writing.
But that's just me.
I have the feeling viewers would have absolutely understood the scene if she did not talk, but instead just sat quietly with him. SILENCE is not a story-killer, if it's used effectively and fits into the story well.
WHY THE F can't Asian dramas show women who are TIRED of the parental bullsh!t?
WHY THE F can't Asian dramas show women that STAND UP for themselves when people around them - ESPECIALLY PARENTS - are screaming at them, telling them they need to be a certain way or act a certain way??
WHY THE F didn't Song Ran just POUND HER FIST on a table and tell her mother to SHUT UP???
I am SO ANGRY with this RELENTLESS drama trope that Asian women have to put up with that kind of crap throughout their lives.
NO. THEY. DON'T!!!!
They DO NOT have to be the "good daughter" if they don't want to.
They DO NOT have to marry if they won't want to.
They DO NOT have to live their lives according to the parents' wishes.
They DO NOT have to be bullied at work by a-hole bosses and bitchy co-workers.
WHEN THE F are Asian dramas going to join the 21st century?????
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I am a K-pop fan, especially of a certain group, but never once, ever, have I thought my favorite idols shouldn't have their own private lives.
It's beyond ridiculous to think idols **actually** belong to the fans as if they were some kind of toy or other possession.
Sadly in various real-life fandoms, I have seen the same kind of toxic, obsessive crap Thame and his bandmates are experiencing in the series. It's beyond mind-boggling that some out-of-touch-with-reality fans (sasaengs) are so delusional in their fantasies that they decide to completely freak out and ruin an idol's life if the idol "disappoints" them in some way.
That makes me so upset. Do we honestly expect these these people, these ENTERTAINERS - for that is exactly what they are, **NOT PROPERTY** - to be complete monks and nuns for their entire lives??
UGH.
But on a different note.....it seems like the writers really understand all of that and wanted to make a subtle comment about it. Perhaps the band members (in real life, they are the T-pop group LYKN) contributed to that part of the story, too. They may have experienced some of that, themselves. So well done to the writers!!
So while the SA may seem to come out of nowhere in the series, in the novel you get much more context.
She **FINALLY** explained to Hagiwara why she won't have sex with him, but it distinctly sounded like something she has known about herself for a long time. It's not a revelation to her understanding about herself at all. SHE HAS KNOWN this is a problem in ALL of her intimate relationships.
So why didn't she just talk to Hagiwara a long time ago? Why hasn't she gotten counseling? Why didn't she ask him to help her reawaken her passion as a lover? Or why didn't she tell him AGES ago and then just let him go if she was not interested in finding a way to work through it together???
Both she and Fujisawa are manipulative and abusive in their own respective ways. And I'm not even going to mention how Fujisawa SA'ed Sei. That was just........
UGH.
I'm not sure why some series (especially Chinese ones) are dragged out like that. In so many of them, I think the quality and viewer satisfaction would be much higher if the episodes were reduced by at least 1/4.
It has a great cast, and the story does touch on some important topics as well as having good scenes. And the cinematography is excellent.
But the trope I mentioned drags on and on, and extends the series much longer than it needs to be. It could have been a probable 24 episode series (or at most, 30 ) instead of the actual 38 episodes.
Is anyone else getting frustrated with the NEVER-ENDING "I can't tell you anything bad that's happening to me because I have to protect you so you can be happy and do all the things you want to do in life" trope??? (eye surgery, mom's cancer, PTSD, etc)
All of the LIES and internal self-sabotaging is ruining the story for me.
So, so frustrating to see this over and over and over in every single episode.
Anyway, I've been enjoying the PerthSanta chemistry so much in these episodes. They really are very cute and natural together.
But I have a question......why does Perth kiss Santa that way? It's not exactly sexy to see anyone lead with their lips like that, almost like they're a homing beacon for the other person's mouth. "Lips puckered.....acquiring target.......contact made......"
Yeesh.
Lastly.....in Ep 16......Yotha was the only one of the group who hadn't figured out who his "buddy" was, yet.......did I miss the reveal?
The cinematography gives a feeling of an on-the-street reporter filming people he meets, or just people watching. The groups of kids feel like real school kids that are hanging out together, instead of a bunch of actors who have to hit their marks at certain angles to make them look photogenic.
I am **really** enjoying this so far. Can't wait to see more.
In real life, sometimes people don't know when to NOT TALK when someone they care about is hurting. Instead of saying things out loud and forcing / expecting the person who's hurting to engage, the friend / family member / significant other can still find non-verbal ways to be supportive.
Such is the case with Ep 18, when Zan is crying after earlier experiencing horrific flashbacks at the company team-building event.
Ran comes out of the bedroom where she had been waiting for Zan, and walks into the room where he is sitting on the couch, wiping his face because he doesn't want her to see him upset. But the viewer (and she) can still clearly see some tears on his cheeks. Plus Ran had seen him crying before she walked into the room.
But instead of sitting down next to him and just holding his hand, or wrapping her arms around him, or maybe even just sitting close but not touching......and not talking....... just letting him process his thoughts and calm down while she's there quietly being supportive........she - knowing FULL WELL that his trauma is MUCH deeper than hers especially since his friend died, and knowing full well (since she talked to the therapist at the hospital) that he has severe PTSD - decides to verbally engage while he's still very upset.
Having been through some trauma of my own and needing to be with someone who understood that some things just cannot be talked about right away........that scene was SO freaking disappointing. I am seriously not happy with the writing.
But that's just me.
I have the feeling viewers would have absolutely understood the scene if she did not talk, but instead just sat quietly with him. SILENCE is not a story-killer, if it's used effectively and fits into the story well.
https://kisskh.at/765955-this-love-doesn-t-have-long-beans
They were a couple in Pit Babe, too.
From my post:
"WHY THE F can't Asian dramas show women ...."
WHY THE F can't Asian dramas show women who are TIRED of the parental bullsh!t?
WHY THE F can't Asian dramas show women that STAND UP for themselves when people around them - ESPECIALLY PARENTS - are screaming at them, telling them they need to be a certain way or act a certain way??
WHY THE F didn't Song Ran just POUND HER FIST on a table and tell her mother to SHUT UP???
I am SO ANGRY with this RELENTLESS drama trope that Asian women have to put up with that kind of crap throughout their lives.
NO. THEY. DON'T!!!!
They DO NOT have to be the "good daughter" if they don't want to.
They DO NOT have to marry if they won't want to.
They DO NOT have to live their lives according to the parents' wishes.
They DO NOT have to be bullied at work by a-hole bosses and bitchy co-workers.
WHEN THE F are Asian dramas going to join the 21st century?????
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to the grocery store yesterday.
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It's annoying beyond description. EVERY freaking GMMTV production is like that.
PLEASE just let them speak NORMALLY.
But yes, it absolutely sounded like she was propositioning him.