Yeah I checked it out bc everyone who read it kept raving about it. Abandoned at around Chapter 6. Seemed like…
Interesting to know, as I do always wonder if it's the translation or the original Chinese that is the problem.
And I would say maybe some of the poor writing is due to the pressure these writers are under to produce so many chapters a month but...
Look at novels like Heaven Official's Blessing (a masterpiece of storytelling the way every event ties together, and I never use the word masterpiece), or Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation.
Epic storytelling and writing, and reams and reams of chapters.
What is the last year drama that was similar to this one?
I'm iffy on A Moment But Forever. Didn't hate it, didn't love it, didn't think it was anywhere near as bad as some people said. (still haven't finished it, but close, and I've enjoyed it well enough).
But the difference with that one is Tiffany Tang is Liu Xue Yi's equal when it comes to acting, so their scenes together are wonderful.
I always wonder too what incredibly talented actors like Liu Xue Yi think privately about the actresses they get stuck with. Especially as working with a talented actress draws out the actor's skills even more.
They must get so frustrated knowing that their scenes together could have been phenomenal if they weren't stuck with an actress whose emphasis is on staying pretty rather than showing emotion.
And yep, I was surprised to see a headline that said WJY had been voted worst actress -- I can't think of a single scene in the 20 episode of Kill Me Love Me where she wasn't good?
Love him because his phenomenal acting skills always overcome any horrible script. Can't stand her. (She lost…
Agreed. 100%.
First 10 or so episodes were excellent, but since then the FL has become dumber and dumber, while the writer has thrown in trope after trope until, here we are, falling off a cliff and disappearing :) (I think about 400 times is where I've seen that one before).
Apparently too, the original scene in the novel was brilliantly unique, but the writer/production company decided to ignore it and insert "falls off a cliff" instead. Arrrgggghhhh -- hahahahaha.
What is the last year drama that was similar to this one?
Yep. Poor Liu Xue Yi has had a plethora of terrible scripts, but still manages to resurrect the drama somewhat, his acting skills are so good.
His co-star in Kill Me Love Me, sorry, can't remember her name, just got voted in China as one of the worst ever actresses. Personally, I don't think she was that bad -- it was just the writing and the plot that killed that one.
If that writer had managed to keep the tension of that epic scene in the pool throughout the drama, that would have been one of the best C-dramas ever made.
As it is, I'm still stuck at about Ep 20, and can't muster up energy to finish. As much as I love Liu Xue Yi.
Ep 18. I think this is the first time I really want a couple to divorce in a drama. The writers are dragging the…
Love him because his phenomenal acting skills always overcome any horrible script. Can't stand her. (She lost me when she was willing to poison whoever it was in the library just to save her own skin, until she discovered who she was poisoning .Vile, weak, stupid woman). And Meng Zi Yi's lack of acting skills is getting on my last nerve.
Never had an opinion about her one way or the other before this, but with a better actress (and a better writer), this could have been epic.
Instead, we've got yet another of that sub-set of Chinese "actress" who thinks "being pretty" means great acting.
Compare her to Li Yi Tong in A Dream Within a Dream. Her character is a bimbo :), but she can certainly act! Doesn't care if her face looks ugly in certain scenes either. As long as the emotion comes across.
At this point though, if she falls off that cliff and stays dead, I'll likely be cheering (not really, but you get my sentiment as she's SO annoying) -- maybe then he can find a better wife.
Because she's not as smart as the "writer" would have us believe.She also lacks a moral compass. Notice how she…
Yep. Started out smart, devolved into incredibly dumb. Anyone with a brain would have told him everything by now, as it's obvious to anyone not operating on 2 brain cells he's the only one that can/will protect her.
And that, if she doesn't, she's as good as dead.
Haven't read the novel btw, don't care to if it's as bad as the writing in this.
Meanwhile, Li Xue Yi is carrying this entire production at this point, with the help of the supporting cast who, overwhelmingly, have been superb.
EDIT: And overall, I still think it's very entertaining. Just hugely disappointed the FL was written like this.
i genuinely don't give a single fuck.about the second couple and I don't like the ml sister, she's such a one…
I'm one of the ones who liked the ML sister's in the first few episodes. Now I watch her scenes on double-speed, so if I hate them, I can only imagine how painful they are for everyone else :)
Sorry but I don't consider any of those good political dramas. The only decent one I have watched recently was…
Eternal Brotherhood is exceptionally well written, and brilliantly acted. Not only by the three male leads, but also by every supporting cast member.
It's one of the few I plan to go back to and watch again. A phenomenal piece of political drama, and one of the best-written C-dramas in the past decade.
Liu Xueyi’s acting is the highlight of this drama, and the plot has picked up again. It's funny how I was looking…
Same opinion. She started out very well, but her acting has become worse as episodes go by. Same facial expressions, same blank stares, same wide eyes whenever she's caught, same heavy sighs in every scene.
Liked her in about the first 10 episodes, but losing interest in both her as an actress and her character in this.
Never had an opinion about her one way or the other before this. Always thought she was a pretty decent actress nothing more, but this is her worst performance, IMO.
Why can't the Princess just come clean with Shen Zai Ye. I know she's poisoned but couldn't he help with that…
Because she's not as smart as the "writer" would have us believe.
She also lacks a moral compass. Notice how she had no problem poisoning whoever was in the library as long as it saved her own skin. Then, when she realized it was the prince, she stopped.
At that point, she became a weak, vile woman I have little sympathy for, as she is no better than the Queen who is holding her brother captive.
You do this so well. Have you thought of making a career out of it?
And THIS is how people get into trouble with copyright.
She is NOT just doing a translation of a song. She is uploading the entire SONG and adding translation subtitles. NOT covered in copyright law. In any country. Nor should it be.
And NO copyright owner is going to give her permission to upload their songs and add translations. That has already been decided in copyright law -- you cannot use a FULL song, and add subtitles to it, and avoid copyright law. Not possible in any country on the planet if their copyright law is applied.
And like I explained, how is she going to leave YouTube and create her own page? She HAS to host her videos somewhere. Hosting them on your own website costs thousands of dollars a month due to bandwidth costs. And then you have to get traffic to your website on top of that.
Considering Google (where 88% of ALL traffic in the world comes from) now shuts out most independent sites from their search results (since October, 2023), she would have to spend thousands of dollars on advertising to get any traffic if she wasn't linking to the site from somewhere like YouTube, which already HAS the traffic.
Look, I'm not going to keep arguing with you, or keep giving her advice as it's her own choice. And I'm not trying to be a bitch. I'm just saying copyright law is pretty much cut and dried anywhere.
You either have permission from the copyright owner, which NO music company is ever going to give you, or you figure out a different way of making money from it that doesn't require owning your own website and uploading your videos there.
Right now, she's asking for donations and that's perfectly legal. The minute she starts trying to monetize, that's when she'll start to have problems.
You do this so well. Have you thought of making a career out of it?
She's not doing covers though. She's uploading the actual song and adding translations. That's NOT a cover (ie: performing someone else's song yourself AFTER getting their permission).
She's taking someone else's work and adding subtitles. (And I'm not attacking her, as I think it's great she uploads songs the Chinese companies aren't uploading yet, and that she adds lyric translations. I'm just saying legally she's NOT covered for no copyright infringement).
Her channel also already has advertising on it, which if she didn't attempt to monetize it (and I'm presuming she didnt'), is YouTube adding advertising (which they always do) and then funneling the money to the copyright owners. Who, so far at least, are fine with having their songs on her channel.
And that's also why I said she could start her own website WITH additional content -- ie: embed the video and then write an article about the drama or the song -- but just an embedded video wouldn't cut it as a) the copyright owner can still come after her and b) most advertising companies, including Adsense, wouldn't monetize a website with ONLY embedded videos and no additional content.
Bottom line, in any country on the planet, you cannot use someone else's work for your own financial gain. Not unless you use a tiny percentage of it (usually less than 10 seconds of a song or a video), change it so much it's barely recognizable (use someone else's photograph in a collage of other photographs that is then reworked/recolored/painted over etc), have the copyright owners permission, use a visual or graphic specifically released to be used for promotional purposes, or sing a COVER of a song AFTER you have gained the copyright owner's permission.
Not trying to be a bitch either. Just trying to save her time spent on monetizing someone else's work, only to have her entire channel shut down.
There are very limited ways to make money from someone else's intellectual property, but it's a lot of time spent on research and making sure you're doing it the right way.
Yes, she can do that, and she needs to do that if she wants to monetize and doesn't want YouTube to shut her channel down (and YouTube IS the issue as, without her videos on the site, where is she going to host them? Hosting videos costs a fortune if you do them on your own site, and then you don't have the traffic coming from a site like YouTube to make it worth your while).
You do this so well. Have you thought of making a career out of it?
Not true though.
A copyright message has no legal baring. She does NOT own the copyright, and the copyright owner can come in and have her channel shut down in 10 minutes flat.
I still see YouTube channels putting in that useless message: "No copyright infringement intended", which has ZERO ability to stop a copyright owner getting your channel banned or going after you for financial reparations.
This explains what people should do (ask permission from copyright owner, which they will never get when it comes to music).
Even singers doing covers of songs have had their YouTube channels shut down. Why? Because they haven't applied for permission to use that particular copyright owners song.
You do this so well. Have you thought of making a career out of it?
It is illegal if you try to monetize your channel on YouTube, and YouTube will quickly shut down the entire channel once the copyright owner complains. These owners now hire companies or have teams of dedicated employees that troll the Internet looking for illegal content, so it's much easier for them to find it than it used to be.
Too many people have lost thousands of videos by trying to monetize videos/songs they don't own the copyright to. See my answer above for an alternative :)
You do this so well. Have you thought of making a career out of it?
You can't make money from songs you don't own the copyright to, and YouTube will quickly shut down your channel if you try. It only takes 3 strikes from the copyright owner, Tencent or whoever, and all your work is gone.
But you can use a YouTube channel to direct viewers/donors elsewhere -- ie: your own website with different/additional content, or a Patreon account.
They will, however, often let you upload music to your channel as long as money from any advertising on it (which YouTube places) goes to the copyright owner. Only 2-3 years ago, they wouldn't even do that, but would just shut down your channel instead.
I think strikes coming from Chinese copyright holders are also only going to increase as, if you notice, it was much more difficult to access Chinese music only two or three years ago.
Now tho, Chinese companies have realized there is massive amounts of money to be made from overseas music fans. Hence, why so many C-drama OSTs are now showing up on Spotify etc.
What that means though is they will also now bump up their surveillance of places like YouTube to make sure other people are not using their intellectual property to make money off their IPs.
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And I would say maybe some of the poor writing is due to the pressure these writers are under to produce so many chapters a month but...
Look at novels like Heaven Official's Blessing (a masterpiece of storytelling the way every event ties together, and I never use the word masterpiece), or Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation.
Epic storytelling and writing, and reams and reams of chapters.
But the difference with that one is Tiffany Tang is Liu Xue Yi's equal when it comes to acting, so their scenes together are wonderful.
I always wonder too what incredibly talented actors like Liu Xue Yi think privately about the actresses they get stuck with. Especially as working with a talented actress draws out the actor's skills even more.
They must get so frustrated knowing that their scenes together could have been phenomenal if they weren't stuck with an actress whose emphasis is on staying pretty rather than showing emotion.
And yep, I was surprised to see a headline that said WJY had been voted worst actress -- I can't think of a single scene in the 20 episode of Kill Me Love Me where she wasn't good?
First 10 or so episodes were excellent, but since then the FL has become dumber and dumber, while the writer has thrown in trope after trope until, here we are, falling off a cliff and disappearing :) (I think about 400 times is where I've seen that one before).
Apparently too, the original scene in the novel was brilliantly unique, but the writer/production company decided to ignore it and insert "falls off a cliff" instead. Arrrgggghhhh -- hahahahaha.
His co-star in Kill Me Love Me, sorry, can't remember her name, just got voted in China as one of the worst ever actresses. Personally, I don't think she was that bad -- it was just the writing and the plot that killed that one.
If that writer had managed to keep the tension of that epic scene in the pool throughout the drama, that would have been one of the best C-dramas ever made.
As it is, I'm still stuck at about Ep 20, and can't muster up energy to finish. As much as I love Liu Xue Yi.
Never had an opinion about her one way or the other before this, but with a better actress (and a better writer), this could have been epic.
Instead, we've got yet another of that sub-set of Chinese "actress" who thinks "being pretty" means great acting.
Compare her to Li Yi Tong in A Dream Within a Dream. Her character is a bimbo :), but she can certainly act! Doesn't care if her face looks ugly in certain scenes either. As long as the emotion comes across.
At this point though, if she falls off that cliff and stays dead, I'll likely be cheering (not really, but you get my sentiment as she's SO annoying) -- maybe then he can find a better wife.
And that, if she doesn't, she's as good as dead.
Haven't read the novel btw, don't care to if it's as bad as the writing in this.
Meanwhile, Li Xue Yi is carrying this entire production at this point, with the help of the supporting cast who, overwhelmingly, have been superb.
EDIT: And overall, I still think it's very entertaining. Just hugely disappointed the FL was written like this.
It's one of the few I plan to go back to and watch again. A phenomenal piece of political drama, and one of the best-written C-dramas in the past decade.
Liked her in about the first 10 episodes, but losing interest in both her as an actress and her character in this.
Never had an opinion about her one way or the other before this. Always thought she was a pretty decent actress nothing more, but this is her worst performance, IMO.
She also lacks a moral compass. Notice how she had no problem poisoning whoever was in the library as long as it saved her own skin. Then, when she realized it was the prince, she stopped.
At that point, she became a weak, vile woman I have little sympathy for, as she is no better than the Queen who is holding her brother captive.
She's an idiot at the beginning, and midway through, she's still an idiot. Endearing, but an idiot :) (Brilliant performance from Li Yi Tong tho).
She is NOT just doing a translation of a song. She is uploading the entire SONG and adding translation subtitles. NOT covered in copyright law. In any country. Nor should it be.
And NO copyright owner is going to give her permission to upload their songs and add translations. That has already been decided in copyright law -- you cannot use a FULL song, and add subtitles to it, and avoid copyright law. Not possible in any country on the planet if their copyright law is applied.
And like I explained, how is she going to leave YouTube and create her own page? She HAS to host her videos somewhere. Hosting them on your own website costs thousands of dollars a month due to bandwidth costs. And then you have to get traffic to your website on top of that.
Considering Google (where 88% of ALL traffic in the world comes from) now shuts out most independent sites from their search results (since October, 2023), she would have to spend thousands of dollars on advertising to get any traffic if she wasn't linking to the site from somewhere like YouTube, which already HAS the traffic.
Look, I'm not going to keep arguing with you, or keep giving her advice as it's her own choice. And I'm not trying to be a bitch. I'm just saying copyright law is pretty much cut and dried anywhere.
You either have permission from the copyright owner, which NO music company is ever going to give you, or you figure out a different way of making money from it that doesn't require owning your own website and uploading your videos there.
Right now, she's asking for donations and that's perfectly legal. The minute she starts trying to monetize, that's when she'll start to have problems.
Alrighty, done here. Off to get some work done :)
All cute boys, but I don't really care about that. Their acting skills, however, are phenomenal.
She's taking someone else's work and adding subtitles. (And I'm not attacking her, as I think it's great she uploads songs the Chinese companies aren't uploading yet, and that she adds lyric translations. I'm just saying legally she's NOT covered for no copyright infringement).
Her channel also already has advertising on it, which if she didn't attempt to monetize it (and I'm presuming she didnt'), is YouTube adding advertising (which they always do) and then funneling the money to the copyright owners. Who, so far at least, are fine with having their songs on her channel.
And that's also why I said she could start her own website WITH additional content -- ie: embed the video and then write an article about the drama or the song -- but just an embedded video wouldn't cut it as a) the copyright owner can still come after her and b) most advertising companies, including Adsense, wouldn't monetize a website with ONLY embedded videos and no additional content.
Bottom line, in any country on the planet, you cannot use someone else's work for your own financial gain. Not unless you use a tiny percentage of it (usually less than 10 seconds of a song or a video), change it so much it's barely recognizable (use someone else's photograph in a collage of other photographs that is then reworked/recolored/painted over etc), have the copyright owners permission, use a visual or graphic specifically released to be used for promotional purposes, or sing a COVER of a song AFTER you have gained the copyright owner's permission.
Not trying to be a bitch either. Just trying to save her time spent on monetizing someone else's work, only to have her entire channel shut down.
There are very limited ways to make money from someone else's intellectual property, but it's a lot of time spent on research and making sure you're doing it the right way.
Yes, she can do that, and she needs to do that if she wants to monetize and doesn't want YouTube to shut her channel down (and YouTube IS the issue as, without her videos on the site, where is she going to host them? Hosting videos costs a fortune if you do them on your own site, and then you don't have the traffic coming from a site like YouTube to make it worth your while).
A copyright message has no legal baring. She does NOT own the copyright, and the copyright owner can come in and have her channel shut down in 10 minutes flat.
I still see YouTube channels putting in that useless message: "No copyright infringement intended", which has ZERO ability to stop a copyright owner getting your channel banned or going after you for financial reparations.
This explains what people should do (ask permission from copyright owner, which they will never get when it comes to music).
https://www.copyrighted.com/blog/what-to-use-instead-of-no-copyright-infringement-intended
Even singers doing covers of songs have had their YouTube channels shut down. Why? Because they haven't applied for permission to use that particular copyright owners song.
Too many people have lost thousands of videos by trying to monetize videos/songs they don't own the copyright to. See my answer above for an alternative :)
But you can use a YouTube channel to direct viewers/donors elsewhere -- ie: your own website with different/additional content, or a Patreon account.
They will, however, often let you upload music to your channel as long as money from any advertising on it (which YouTube places) goes to the copyright owner. Only 2-3 years ago, they wouldn't even do that, but would just shut down your channel instead.
I think strikes coming from Chinese copyright holders are also only going to increase as, if you notice, it was much more difficult to access Chinese music only two or three years ago.
Now tho, Chinese companies have realized there is massive amounts of money to be made from overseas music fans. Hence, why so many C-drama OSTs are now showing up on Spotify etc.
What that means though is they will also now bump up their surveillance of places like YouTube to make sure other people are not using their intellectual property to make money off their IPs.
And several people have said "Get thru Ep4 and your opinion will changed". I followed their advice, and it definitely did.
I think it's just a drama that takes a while to settle into its genre (parody). But when it does, it's utterly brilliant.