I think they want to remain light and positive about the whole thing, but they show bits of the awful things that…
Despite the fact that I really love the drama, because it's heartwarming and funny, and they focus on all the characters -which is difficult to find in a kdrama ^^-, I must admit it isn't very realistic. The main character kind of live in a safe bubble.
They however talk about the rape/beating things, the corruption, but the main characters don't really suffer from it...
I totally understand your point of view ! In a way, I think the writers want the viewers to sympathize with the prisoners and to understand that one person is not bad purely on the fact that they spend some time in prison, and for that, the drama can't be too heavy ^^.
Is this more like a romanticized version of life in jail? Do they even show all the horrible things that happen…
I think they want to remain light and positive about the whole thing, but they show bits of the awful things that happen. Moreover, the male lead is kind of protected, and his friends along with him,... I don't want to spoil you but if you are looking for a realistic view of the prison life, I am not really sure it is. They mention the horrible things but don't actually show it.
One of the most evil in dramaland ???? What about the cheaters, rapists, killers, and sociopaths ? Even some first…
Lol I understand, when some characters frustrate us, that's difficult to put it in words ^^ Personally, I love her because of her flaws, I find her quite humane in that way... like, her lashing out to others because she's hurt, it is a very human reaction, I think she just want her family toi prove they love her and of course, it's very selfish of her, and somewhat cruel, but, like I said, she's just human ^^ And I find her quite honest and brave, but it is only my opinion, I totally understand that you dislike her ^^
But I do agree with you, she has to mature, she's waaayy too immature for her age ! I just want her and Ji An to have a calm discussion, without one being cold and the other being agressive ^^
Ji soo is one of the most evil characters in dramaland, in my opinion!only when i thought she is starting to mature,…
One of the most evil in dramaland ???? What about the cheaters, rapists, killers, and sociopaths ? Even some first lead, male or female, are way meaner than her, she's barely an angry kitten compared to a lot of them...
She's very flawed, yes, but she's not one bit evil. Otherwise, most people on Earth could be categorized as evil ^^.
I love all the pairings, but right now, I just want Ji Soo and Ji An to reconcile, it's heartbreaking to see them like that, clearly they are both sad and miss each other :(
He dumped her because she didn't want to sleep with him? In which ep was that said? I'm really curious…
No, I'm not overreacting, I didn't like what you were saying at all and I still don't like it. I keep saying the same thing over and over again, which is everybody can want whant they want without having to be judged by people like you. Which means plainly that he can totally find sex really important and leave her -how many time did I say it already ?- but she can totally refuse to have sex.
But all he had to say about her was that he found her pretty, it doesn't matter for you, it does for me. That's why I really don't like him anymore.
I don't care if she would have take that as a sign, you just don't let somebody like that on the street. Your thinking is so messed up, seriously, where stand your priorities ? You just keep making it worse. If he liked her once upon a time, he would have take her home -well, if he was a good guy. If you're the kind of people who find that acceptable, I understand now why you don't consider him a jerk.
There are guys way worse than him, that doesn't make him less of a jerk.
He dumped her because she didn't want to sleep with him? In which ep was that said? I'm really curious…
I don't assume anything, you're the one who assume she doesn't have traumas or problemes with sex. We don't know anything about her sex life.
They were eventually dating for more than 333 days, at least, but in the interview, they were dating for 53 days, and that is his way of thinking back then. Which means that he started dating her with this set of mind, and then, obvisouly, get tired of waiting for her to have sex with him. Which I can accept, I repeat once again, but NOT his attitude.
You assume she didn't want to have sex because of her shyness, once again, you don't know anything, but you just assume because a shy girl like her have to refuse to have sex only because of that. Well, that's offensive. There is so many possible reasons.
People can last a year without sex, a lot of people do, they don't die, so you saying stuff like that, it is just so ignorant. I don't know you, so I can't tell how you are but not everybody is like you, ok ? You really have to accept that. You can live your life how you want, isn't it best if people don't judge you ?
And him turning her down when she suggested going to a motel doesn't prove anything. Anyone with a bit of pride wouldn't have accepted. But he left her, heartbroken, crying in the rain, at night, and I woulnd't have left even a person I hate like that. That is being a jerk.
He dumped her because she didn't want to sleep with him? In which ep was that said? I'm really curious…
You still don't get it right ? You saw the interview, his attitude -the writters of the drama decided to put this interview at the end of the 11th episode, which I suppose you didn't watch yet, if they show us this interview now, it is for a reason. They show us the differences between them. For her, he was her first boyfriend but not for him, he already have a girlfriend before. All he has to say about her is that she was pretty. When questionning about where he wanted to go on a trip, all he cares about was going far away, where they could spend a night together - I don't have to spell it for you, right ?
They were dating for 53 days, which is about two months, and this was already all he cared about. What she looked like and getting laid. And well, yeah, it is normal for a guy to think about sex, but is is not ok to think a girl owes him sex. He was a bad guy because he was with her for the bad reasons, a good guy don't treat you like a freaking doll, he respects you. It is not about him breaking up with her, it is about how he treated her.
And you really think a guy can't wait a year for sleeping with a girl he doesn't love ? A guy can definitly do it if all he wants is the perfect girlfriend, the sweet, delicate king of girl, which makes him look nice by association.
He wanted to have sex ? He could find a girl who was ready, who was ok with that, but he picked Eun Jae, the shy girl who never had a boyfriend before him. If she wanted to wait a damn year, she had every right to do so, and I don't care what her reasons were.
You think a girl have to have sex with his boyfriend before the first year is over, that's ok, it's your right but don't justify it by bringing the patriarchy.
Another point, you can have problems with sex without sex related traumas, it's not because you are lucky with your sex life, that everyone is. Everybody isn't like you, don't think like you, don't live like you.
He dumped her because she didn't want to sleep with him? In which ep was that said? I'm really curious…
The reason why she didn't want to have sex was never explained, so why did you automatically think it was to play hard to get ? That she was some bad witch who play with men, while you were defending him ? Try to think about it. You put the blame on the girl while talking about the patriarchy. This is why I find you unfair.
Maybe I am too harsh on him but so far, it seems he just looked nice but he wasn't. Maybe he will prove it was just miscommunication and misunderstanding, and he really liked her because, yeah, it seemed that way all along the first season. I hope so, because like you said, he seemed to like her and I liked their couple.
He dumped her because she didn't want to sleep with him? In which ep was that said? I'm really curious…
Well yeah she was also in some way superficial, but we all are, what I mean is while he was only saying she was pretty ("like oh, yeah, she is that, she is this, in a negative way, but, who gives a shit ? sh'es pretty, man, you get what I mean" -because this is what is was), she says that he was handsome and tall, but also kind and she speaks of their actual relationship. He really existed for her, he wasn't an object.
This guy, he is the result of the patriarchy that you talked about, this is why I don't understand how you can like him. He wants a pretty, shy and delicate girl that is eventually willing to have sex -not too soon, because that would have make her a slut, and he wouldn't have wanted a slut, would he ? ), and she fits it all - expect she didn't want to have sex, and that, well, that is a BIG problem, isn't it ? because he doesn't want a frigid girl either. So yeah, he is a jerk.
Your grandma was indeed a smart woman, and you surely are too. Just try to see it by her eyes, even if you don't like her. Maybe she was sad because he stopped caring for her, maybe she didn't think she was ready to have sex, and maybe she was afraid. Can't she decide on her own what she wants ? That is the destruction of patriarchy, not judging women.
They however talk about the rape/beating things, the corruption, but the main characters don't really suffer from it...
I totally understand your point of view ! In a way, I think the writers want the viewers to sympathize with the prisoners and to understand that one person is not bad purely on the fact that they spend some time in prison, and for that, the drama can't be too heavy ^^.
But I do agree with you, she has to mature, she's waaayy too immature for her age ! I just want her and Ji An to have a calm discussion, without one being cold and the other being agressive ^^
She's very flawed, yes, but she's not one bit evil. Otherwise, most people on Earth could be categorized as evil ^^.
Don't worry, I'm sure she'll mature :)
Edit : Oh, I just read that these episodes where only some recaps and cut scenes, nothing like a continuation of the story :)
it's this one :)
But all he had to say about her was that he found her pretty, it doesn't matter for you, it does for me. That's why I really don't like him anymore.
I don't care if she would have take that as a sign, you just don't let somebody like that on the street. Your thinking is so messed up, seriously, where stand your priorities ? You just keep making it worse. If he liked her once upon a time, he would have take her home -well, if he was a good guy. If you're the kind of people who find that acceptable, I understand now why you don't consider him a jerk.
There are guys way worse than him, that doesn't make him less of a jerk.
They were eventually dating for more than 333 days, at least, but in the interview, they were dating for 53 days, and that is his way of thinking back then. Which means that he started dating her with this set of mind, and then, obvisouly, get tired of waiting for her to have sex with him. Which I can accept, I repeat once again, but NOT his attitude.
You assume she didn't want to have sex because of her shyness, once again, you don't know anything, but you just assume because a shy girl like her have to refuse to have sex only because of that. Well, that's offensive. There is so many possible reasons.
People can last a year without sex, a lot of people do, they don't die, so you saying stuff like that, it is just so ignorant. I don't know you, so I can't tell how you are but not everybody is like you, ok ? You really have to accept that. You can live your life how you want, isn't it best if people don't judge you ?
And him turning her down when she suggested going to a motel doesn't prove anything. Anyone with a bit of pride wouldn't have accepted. But he left her, heartbroken, crying in the rain, at night, and I woulnd't have left even a person I hate like that. That is being a jerk.
They were dating for 53 days, which is about two months, and this was already all he cared about. What she looked like and getting laid. And well, yeah, it is normal for a guy to think about sex, but is is not ok to think a girl owes him sex. He was a bad guy because he was with her for the bad reasons, a good guy don't treat you like a freaking doll, he respects you. It is not about him breaking up with her, it is about how he treated her.
And you really think a guy can't wait a year for sleeping with a girl he doesn't love ? A guy can definitly do it if all he wants is the perfect girlfriend, the sweet, delicate king of girl, which makes him look nice by association.
He wanted to have sex ? He could find a girl who was ready, who was ok with that, but he picked Eun Jae, the shy girl who never had a boyfriend before him. If she wanted to wait a damn year, she had every right to do so, and I don't care what her reasons were.
You think a girl have to have sex with his boyfriend before the first year is over, that's ok, it's your right but don't justify it by bringing the patriarchy.
Another point, you can have problems with sex without sex related traumas, it's not because you are lucky with your sex life, that everyone is. Everybody isn't like you, don't think like you, don't live like you.
Maybe I am too harsh on him but so far, it seems he just looked nice but he wasn't. Maybe he will prove it was just miscommunication and misunderstanding, and he really liked her because, yeah, it seemed that way all along the first season. I hope so, because like you said, he seemed to like her and I liked their couple.
This guy, he is the result of the patriarchy that you talked about, this is why I don't understand how you can like him. He wants a pretty, shy and delicate girl that is eventually willing to have sex -not too soon, because that would have make her a slut, and he wouldn't have wanted a slut, would he ? ), and she fits it all - expect she didn't want to have sex, and that, well, that is a BIG problem, isn't it ? because he doesn't want a frigid girl either. So yeah, he is a jerk.
Your grandma was indeed a smart woman, and you surely are too. Just try to see it by her eyes, even if you don't like her. Maybe she was sad because he stopped caring for her, maybe she didn't think she was ready to have sex, and maybe she was afraid. Can't she decide on her own what she wants ? That is the destruction of patriarchy, not judging women.