Again. I understand XY's 'deficiencies' led her to agree to Jing's 15 Year Promise, but where was her brain? Before then, Jing had proven unreliable and had failed to remain with her.Kokuto:
Girl, her brain ain't working too well. Plus, the sheer desperation of it all.
Heh ... I guess that is what I should take from XY's choice.Kokuto:
Yep. I'd hate to think that any woman without XY's particular set of issues that impacted her sense of security and worth would look at Jing's offer and think
But, look. There's really no accounting for taste.
HeadInTheClouds:
Girl, her brain ain't working too well. Plus, the sheer desperation of it all.
Yep. I'd hate to think that any woman without XY's particular set of issues that impacted her sense of security and worth would look at Jing's offer and think
But, look. There's really no accounting for taste.
Ha! Truth!
I think that's where Yang Zi's portrayal of XY influences viewers. I know I feel far more lenient toward XY overall, when I see her performance. Though I still rail at her for some of her decisions and when she rejects XL. sniff
Now, now @Kokuto. I've noticed you being very mean to poor, sweet Jing in this thread. I feel like I need to set you straight on a few things. I'm going to call this the, It Was Not Jing's Fault lecture.HeadInTheClouds:
O_O
Double checks the title of the thread.
Falls out of my chair laughing.
So you see, Kokuto, it was not Jing's fault. No, it is your fault for not being compassionate, understanding and kind enough to Jing. Whenever Jing fails to do something, it is your responsibility to look for reasons, excuses and justifications as to why, sweet, kind Jing couldn't successfully adult. Now, you need toHeadInTheClouds:
and reflect on your unkind thoughts about sweet Jing. Otherwise, I'll send Champoo to steal all the cookies from you :-)
NOT my cookies!!!!
Jing isn't paying me a dime to do his dirty work, not even a dime of emotional investment or anything to appreciate. My eyes are WIDE OPEN!
@HeadInTheClouds
Yes, what I mean is that she has been lying to herself that she loves Jing, such as continuously giving herself psychological hints and self-brainwashing, always telling herself Jing's various virtues, how much Jing loves her, and how much she cares about him, etc. She is willing to believe these because she knows that Jing is the result she wants.
I think essentially what she wants is not romantic love, or she simply despises romantic love. She once said to Cang Xuan, "When it comes to the love between men and women, it can be like honey mixed with oil today, and turn into like strangers tomorrow. It comes like fire and goes like wind." But because what Jing wants is romantic love, this is his condition of "always accompanying her", and only marriage can bind two unrelated people together forever, so she can only lie to herself, what she gives him is romantic love, but in fact, She had always only had that kind of affection for him that was similar to family affection, and only this kind of affection could gain her attention.
HEALER SPOILERS AHEAD
The "someone who isn't coming":
Idk how many of you have watched Healer, but every time I see variations of the gifset above it makes me think how much I would love to read some kind of Healer-based AU version of LYF where the closest thing to a love triangle was between Xiang Liu, Fang Feng Bei, and Xiao Yao.
The two dramas are so different, and yet there are so many good parallels that could be used.
Imagine an adaptation of the scene above, where Park Bong-Soo sincerely confessed to Chae Young-shin because he couldn't appear before her with his true identity (Seo Jung-hoo) / alter ego ("Healer") whom she had fallen for. In that scenario... long after Fang Feng Bei appeared in Xiao Yao's life, but before she confirmed that he was Xiang Liu, imagine Fang Feng Bei confessing like that to Xiao Yao, and asking her to pick him instead of waiting for someone who wasn't coming (his own alter ego, Xiang Liu).
AH :
HEALER SPOILERS AHEAD
The "someone who isn't coming":
Idk how many of you have watched Healer, but every time I see variations of the gifset above it makes me think how much I would love to read some kind of Healer-based AU version of LYF where the closest thing to a love triangle was between Xiang Liu, Fang Feng Bei, and Xiao Yao.
The two dramas are so different, and yet there are so many good parallels that could be used.
Imagine an adaptation of the scene above, where Park Bong-Soo sincerely confessed to Chae Young-shin because he couldn't appear before her with his true identity (Seo Jung-hoo) / alter ego ("Healer") whom she had fallen for. In that scenario... long after Fang Feng Bei appeared in Xiao Yao's life, but before she confirmed that he was Xiang Liu, imagine Fang Feng Bei confessing like that to Xiao Yao, and asking her to pick him instead of waiting for someone who wasn't coming (his own alter ego, Xiang Liu).
Oh snap. I’ve had Healer in my watchlist since forever. Guess I’ll have to start watching it now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't think you are alone in this stance. I, too, believed XL wanted to be able to share a relationship with WXL, and even with XY when he went to see her after she revealed her identity. Despite his responsibilities, I also strongly believed that he would fight for their love head on if XY wasn't such a coward, and stopped lying to herself and lying to XL.plor20:
I agree. From where I stand, YaoLiu relationship ended up the way that it did not because Xiang Liu never intended to be with XY, but because XY placed conditions on her relationship. It was XY who refused/denied her love for Xiang Liu because he didn't meet her conditions. It was XY who didn't give their relationship a chance - she killed it even before it had a chance to bloom. It was XY who was never fully committed to trying.
Xiao Yao's character set-up and motivation were all about her trauma and insecurity manifesting in this fear of abandonment and her obsession with the idea of someone who will always place her first and never leave her. This obsession/wish never went away. Ye Shi Qi represented the opportunity to fulfil this obsession. XY chose Jing/YSQ right from the start. When she agreed to that 15-year promise, she essentially already chose to reject her love for Xiang Liu in favour of getting a companion who would never leave her. Her exchange with Xiang Liu outside the Dragon Bone Prison is an affirmation of her choice and an explicit rejection to him of her feelings for him.
Xiao Yao continues to reject and deny her feelings for Xiang Liu to the end of the novel. Never fully acknowledged her feelings; always in a state of hesitation and questioning. Sending the crystal ball while still keeping her engagement to another man as a backup plan is just another indicator of her lack of commitment. She loves Xiang Liu (he was the one that she planted the Lovers Bugs with, not FFB), but wants the FFB persona as that would allow him to be with her without the complication of his true identity. In her dream, she swam towards FFB, but away from XL. And when XL "killed" FFB, she dreamed of YSQ - i.e. she had never been able to let go of her obsession. Her refusal to think about that final question in Qing Shui Town comes full circle back to the scene outside the Dragon Bone Prison - she's still rejecting/denying her feelings for Xiang Liu.
At the same time that she continues to deny and reject her feelings for Xiang Liu, she continues to hold on to her hope of what Jing offered - a person who will never leave her - so she continues to go back to Jing despite his failures to deliver on his promise. Following Qing Shui Town, she once again returned to Jing. This time, she helped him solve the problem so that he could be free to deliver on his promise and give her what she had fervently wished for - a person who would never leave her. Even after she knew about the Lovers Bugs from the Voodoo King, she still downplayed them and pretend that they weren't important just so she can continue to live with her choice of sticking with Jing.
I think Xiang Liu understood Xiao Yao very well; he was well aware of her fears and limitations. He knew that despite the love that she has for him, her fears were far too strong and she couldn't overcome them. Every chance that she had to show him otherwise, she failed to. If she was too cowardly to face her own heart, how was she going to deal with all the challenges that they'll be facing if they were together? And this played a big role in him not taking a step forward in their relationship; he just retreated further and further. She wanted a companion that will never leave her; then he'll fulfil this obsession.
Xiao Yao was afraid of Xiang Liu stepping into her dreams? Well, once he's gone, the only place that she'll be able to see him will be in her dreams. Poetic irony!
I think essentially what she wants is not romantic love,ZYHLJ:
I agree. Love didn't factor in with what Xiao Yao was looking for. She wanted a companion - her comments around this sound like an advertisement for a housemate more than a romantic partner :-). And even when she answers her mother on why she chose Jing, love was never mentioned.
But because what Jing wants is romantic love, this is his condition of "always accompanying her", and only marriage can bind two unrelated people together forever, so she can only lie to herself, what she gives him is romantic love, but in fact, She had always only had that kind of affection for him that was similar to family affection,ZYHLJ:
If they had stayed in Qing Shui town, she would probably been satisfied with 17 hanging around like a butler/maid/servant. But, yes, Jing wanted a romantic relationship as part of being this forever companion - like I said in my comment, it's a contract between them and since she agree to the contract she needs to fulfil her side of the bargain. With time, affection developed (particularly in the later part of the novel after the wedding robbery), but I agree with you that it never got to the "love" category, but the kind of affection that you have for friends/family. After the 37 years, Jing stopped hoping for love from XY as well and settled for being the companion.
Yes, what I mean is that she has been lying to herself that she loves Jing, such as continuously giving herself psychological hints and self-brainwashing, always telling herself Jing's various virtues, how much Jing loves her, and how much she cares about him, etc. She is willing to believe these because she knows that Jing is the result she wants.ZYHLJ:
Yes. Since she chose Jing because he could give her what she wanted, she tried very hard to make things work between them. There were comments earlier about Xiao Yao and Jing's intimate scenes coming across as play-acting or cheesy. I think this vibe is in line with Xiao Yao's acting out how she thinks she should be with Jing.
ZYHLJ:
@Kimiya78
Yes, she may think that Jing is a wiser choice, and has always been complacent that she can actively choose who to give her love to, at the cost of a lifetime of regret.
Xiao Yao is a rather silly goose isn't she? Imagine thinking that you can order your heart how to feel and who to love and to stop loving. She can ignore, deny and pretend all she wants, but eventually, it comes out. Anything that gets suppressed will just grow stronger. So while she may be the queen of willful ignorance and self-deception, I think that in the years to come she won't be able to continue lying to herself. She'll have to face the truth eventually. Once she does, she'll probably have a breakdown.
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