Kokuto:
It actually started almost the moment they met. Remember, XY left Jing to die the first day. It was another day when she went back, and saw the flower, that she decided to help him, but she deliberately stepped on 'his' flat bread to make it a transaction, that she 'owed' healing him for that.
Lol. She's a funny one, XY. If only she retained some of the sass and spiritedness.
She was quick to brush XL's actions off as transactional, but she didn't seem to realize how transactional her relationship with Jing was.
I believe that it was love from first sight on Xiang Liu's side.MountainPine:
I don't think it was love at first sight unless XL was really into middle-aged old man appearance. 🤔😂. The change in him came with her 3 confessions: "no means to protect myself, no place to go, no one to rely on". The XiaoLiu and YaoJing relationships shared similarities, but they are fundamentally different. The basis of Xiang Liu's feelings for Xiao Yao is empathy. He too understands what it was like to have no means to protect himself, have nowhere to go and no one to rely on. It didn't quite stray into the pity territory like Xiao Yao with Jing, because Wen Xiao Liu had a lot more guts and survival instinct than Jing did -Jing was helpless, Wen Xiao Liu wasn't. Xiao Yao sees saving Jing as a way of saving herself. Xiang Liu has already saved himself. What he wanted was to help Xiao Yao become strong enough to protect herself, to develop and grow up.
YaoLiu's relationship developed slowly throughout the Qing Shui arc, through shared conversation, which slowly revealed their inner thoughts and feelings. During this arc, Xiao Yao assayed Xiang Liu's commitment to the resistance army several times. And his response dashed her hopes that he would never leave her. This arc also saw the YaoJing relationship developed, but in the opposite trajectory. These two barely have any worthwhile conversations; it was quite one-sided. Xiao Yao yapped on; Jing sat there. Unlike XL, Jing repeatedly vowed to be her faithful servant, to never leave her. This culminated in her accepting the 15-year deal, effectively stopping her and Xiang Liu's relationship in its tracks.
Who forcibly opened her protective shell? Xiang Liu, or she herself?MountainPine:
At this point, she and 17 have been living under the same roof for 2 years without much emotional connection or conversation. And yet, the first time she met Xiang Lu, her shell cracked. A way to show the real pairing/love interest. Or maybe his beauty addled her brain? 🤣 She was mesmerized when his mask melted away.
And also the fact that later Xiao Yao didn't think he was ugly because of his 9 heads (it's not pity, like in the case of Jing!). And the fact that she wasn't afraid of him, so he finally met someone he felt equal with.MountainPine:
These factors did help to consolidate Xiang Liu's feelings.
Sometimes I think that Xiang Liu loves Wen Xiao Liu rather than Xiao Yao. Wen Xiao Liu, who, despite carrying wounds that need to be addressed, was gutsy and spirited. Once she regained her Xiao Yao identity, she just went downhill, and he spent the rest of the story trying to awaken the Wen Xiao Liu within her.
But then the soldier claims that no matter what, he still doesn't love her. For me, this is a real example of how many things can look like love, but they are not and never will be love.MountainPine:
People start and stay in relationships for a multitude of reasons that have nothing to do with love. Sometimes you stay out of convenience, out of obligations, out of gratitude, out of compassion/pity or out of fear. For most of history, love wasn't the basis of marriage - romantic love as the basis of marriage is quite a recent development. And it takes more than romantic love to sustain a marriage. Sometimes, love can develop after, but often it doesn't, but people have to try to make it work. Particularly, back when divorces were rare. Tian Er and Chun Zi's marriage was like that, while Ma Zi and Chun Tao's marriage started with love and affection. It's not a coincidence that Xiao Yao took her advice from Tian Er.
Is there anything in Jing's life that is not a transaction? All of his life activities are transactions for HIS OWN benefit.MountainPine:
His family are merchants, so that's the basis of how they operate, and that would have been what he'd learn. This doesn't make him a bad person. However, when he brought this into his personal relationship with someone whom he claimed to love and who was his saviour, it didn't gel with his sweet, kind, and devoted image, did it?
In opposite, Xiang Liu's all lives were devoted and given away for others. Nothing at all for himself. So Jingers saying he was transactional is such a nonsense! Transaction always means you have got something for yourself.MountainPine:
Jing and Xiang Liu are designed to be opposites. Jingers seemed selectively blind when it comes to Jing. Or they'll justify it somehow. The 15-year promise was such a clear transaction that was clearly for Jing's benefit, and yet, it was somehow so romantic and sweet. I don't understand it at all. I wouldn't even hold this against Jing if he didn't fail subsequently and put Xiao Yao through so much crap with his complete uselessness.
And summing up - she was the main cause of his death. He could have killed Xuan several times and very likely won the war.MountainPine:
I don't think Xiao Yao caused Xiang Liu's death. Her protection of Xuan from assassination attempts and her support of him contributed to his ascension to power and subsequent showdown with Shen Nong's army. But it was only part of the process, a big part, but not the only part. As long as Xiang Liu continued to stay with Shen Nong's army, his death was probably only a matter of when, not if.
I have a few questions about Wen Xiaoliu & Xiang Liu in the Lost You Forever Season 1 because I wanted to get know more about their relationship and that would be great appreciated if you could help me by answering all of them so that I could understand better. Please write me the details. Thank you so much.
(Episode 5-10)
Why did Xiang Liu turned the bite mark into a kiss mark on Wen Xiaoliu’s neck every time he drank her blood all the time and what was the reason for this?
(Episode 5)
What is the reason for Xiang Liu left his one white hair in Wen Xiaoliu’s bed? Was it because Xiang Liu’s action was expressing a love for Wen Xiaoliu?
(Episode 6)
Why was Xiang Liu angry at Wen Xiaoliu when he kicked her out of the tree to cause her to fall and her legs to be broken so what did she do to him earlier?
(Episode 7)
Was Xiang Liu jealous when Wen Xiaoliu hung out with Ye Shiqi and he forced her to come with him so what would happen if she refused to obey him?
(Episode 7)
Why did Xiang Liu took Wen Xiaoliu away from Ye Shiqi and was it because he had unspoken feelings for her a secret crush or what are his reasons?
(Episode 8)
Why did Xiang Liu seek and used Wen Xiaoliu to get herbs from Ye Shiqi (Tushan Jing) but not himself? What did it mean when Xiang Liu said, “I’m more familiar with you,” to Wen Xiaoliu and what did it mean?
(Episode 8)
It looks like Xiang Liu’s action & outfit is very sexy to me because he acted like he flirting with Wen Xiaoliu while his fangs threaten to bite her neck off and grabbed her neck a third time. Was Xiang Liu flirted with Wen Xiaoliu on purpose?
Was Xiang Liu falling in love with Wen Xiaoliu at first sight because he knew that she was a woman when they met for the first time in episode 3? I asked it if it is confirm because I've watched that Fangfeng Bei (Xiang Liu) revealed it to Xiao Yao (Wen Xiaoliu) in episode 22 so that was why.
I have a few questions about Wen Xiaoliu & Xiang Liu in the Lost You Forever Season 1 because I wanted to get know more about their relationship and that would be great appreciated if you could help me by answering all of them so that I could understand better. Please write me the details. Thank you so much.Jade:
Welcome to the topic!
I will try to answer your questions, but the reason why this topic is so long, is there are often various interpretations of the scenes or characters or dialog ... or just about everything. So, this is just my interpretation, and others may / will have different opinions.
(Episode 5-10)Jade:
Why did Xiang Liu turned the bite mark into a kiss mark on Wen Xiaoliu’s neck every time he drank her blood all the time and what was the reason for this?
Interesting. I don't think that has come up before. Maybe it was stated in the novel? But I would guess that Xiang Liu didn't want it revealed that he was drinking her blood. No one knew that her blood was basically a magical healing potion, and everyone would want to have that, so it would make her a target. Much like when the demons were hunting her after she left Jade Mountain, because eating her increase their powers / cultivation.
Of course, one would think that XL could just heal her entirely and leave no mark. Which, if that was the case, I'd argue he left the hickey to make sure that Jing knew WXL was 'his man.' ;p
(Episode 5)Jade:
What is the reason for Xiang Liu left his one white hair in Wen Xiaoliu’s bed? Was it because Xiang Liu’s action was expressing a love for Wen Xiaoliu?
Hmmm. Did he do that on purpose? I mean, I leave hair all over the place. If he did it on purpose, I don't think it was to express love. I mean wasn't that the episode where she drew on his face? He was furious over that. Perhaps it was more a reminder that he would not forget that humiliation, if he left it on purpose.
(Episode 6)Jade:
Why was Xiang Liu angry at Wen Xiaoliu when he kicked her out of the tree to cause her to fall and her legs to be broken so what did she do to him earlier?
There's some debate about this. I think it had to do with WXL humiliating him by drawing on his face when he couldn't move.
(Episode 7)Jade:
Was Xiang Liu jealous when Wen Xiaoliu hung out with Ye Shiqi and he forced her to come with him so what would happen if she refused to obey him?
I'm not sure if jealous is the right word, but let's say he considered WXL his man, and he expected them to follow his orders. Was that the scene where he manifested the ice daggers? If so, I think he would have used them on Jing or WXL.
(Episode 7)Jade:
Why did Xiang Liu took Wen Xiaoliu away from Ye Shiqi and was it because he had unspoken feelings for her a secret crush or what are his reasons?
No. It's kind of hard to tell the sequence of events of that episode, but I think XL was in a bad mood because he had heard some of the troops trashing him and his loyalty to Hong Jiang because he was a demon. He had been invited to the wedding, but didn't show up, for some reason, but as WXL says, he likes to torture / spend time with them when he is in a bad mood. I think, usually, they make him feel better.
(Episode 8)Jade:
Why did Xiang Liu seek and used Wen Xiaoliu to get herbs from Ye Shiqi (Tushan Jing) but not himself? What did it mean when Xiang Liu said, “I’m more familiar with you,” to Wen Xiaoliu and what did it mean?
Because XL knew that Ye Shiqi was Jing and could easily get the herbs, but he had no leverage or money to buy them. He also knew that Ye Shiqi was WXL's servant, and would do as WXL asked, and WXL would do as XL ordered, i.e. was 'more familiar with you.'
Jade:
(Episode 8)
It looks like Xiang Liu’s action & outfit is very sexy to me because he acted like he flirting with Wen Xiaoliu while his fangs threaten to bite her neck off and grabbed her neck a third time. Was Xiang Liu flirted with Wen Xiaoliu on purpose?
No, I don't think he was flirting. I think he was trying to intimidate WXL.
Was Xiang Liu falling in love with Wen Xiaoliu at first sight because he knew that she was a woman when they met for the first time in episode 3? I asked it if it is confirm because I've watched that Fangfeng Bei (Xiang Liu) revealed it to Xiao Yao (Wen Xiaoliu) in episode 22 so that was why.Jade:
I think this was discussed just recently here:
I also do not think XL fell in love at first sight ... I don't think he knew what romantic was at that time. I think there was a connection between them when WXL answered his question about her identity, because he had felt the same at one time. I'm not sure what Fang Feng Bei revealed in episod 22. What did he say?
There's also the metaphor of XL = Fei Fei, since he also was lured to her by the song, and ended up being the person who alleviated her worries and gave her comfort. That would also indicate that their connection was from their first meeting.
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