I'm really enjoying it.I think the commentary here is a result of 2 things 1) they took major creative license…
It’s not appropriate to discredit negative reactions as overblown or unreasonable. Everyone has different expectations or preferences. Something (the changes) that might not faze or affect one person might be a serious disappointment to another person
Fantasies and fetishes aren't synonymous. Fantasies, the ones in the drama, are a natural part of human sexuality.…
The term "fetish" has strong negative, clinical connotations. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), fetishism is a paraphilia. It refers to "recurrent, intense sexual arousal from use of an inanimate object or from a very specific focus on a nongenital body part" that causes distress or impairment in functioning
Adult female BL enthusiasts are functioning members of society. They have jobs. They pay taxes. Assigning their gay fantasies the label of a fetish inaccurately associates them with mental illness
Gay fantasies might not reflect an all-consuming obsession. It's inappropriate for non-professionals to make assumptions about these women's mental health
It's worth mentioning that men and women engage in recurrent, intense fantasies surrounding straight power dynamics, and their fantasies or overconsumption of straight media are rarely, if ever, considered to be indicators of a fetish and mental illness. There's an existing double standard that pathologizes gay fantasies and not straight ones
Well said! The uke did nothing but be passive throughout -- a veritable hothouse flower -- and the seme did nothing…
Fantasies and fetishes aren't synonymous. Fantasies, the ones in the drama, are a natural part of human sexuality. They're the imaginative scenarios that might or might not be acted on in reality
Fetishes are a strong, unusual interest in objects or body parts
Wait, am I getting the reviews and comments right? They didn't actually censor the gay in this one?
Episodes 1-4 were inclusive of gay characters and storylines. It remains to be seen if this level of representation will be maintained throughout the rest of the drama
Your decision to denigrate BL fans in a conversation that's focused on problematic behaviors among fans of "straight" media is inappropriate. You're letting your biases against BL fans cloud your judgment
The online incidents of "Ohmnanon and MewGulf" didn't involve the use of firearms. These incidents are being exaggerated by willfully ignorant individuals to shift the focus away from the problematic behaviors of fans in general, regardless of the type of media they consume
You're overgeneralizing based on isolated incidents
A few BL actors letting the opinions of their fans affect their friendships/relationships isn't worse than the ongoing stalking and physical assaults that actors and actresses of "straight" media are subjected to
The post addressed problematic behaviors within "straight" media fandoms. On what basis are you redirecting the conversation toward BL fans?
I read the webtoon of 33 eps, but didn't find any GL in there,plz tell what I missed and what character is not…
The comic consists of a total of 137 chapters
The romantic relationships between the female characters are subtly introduced as early as the 12th chapter with the presentation of the shared living arrangement between Ok Gyeong and another woman (they were ... roommates). This subtext becomes more explicit in the succeeding chapters
Bu Yeong, Jeong Nyeon's love interest, is one of the main female characters that was removed from the adaptation
You have to be a kid to not be able to differentiate between p*rn and simulated s*x.
Your dinner analogy doesn't fit the scenario
The difference between the two meals that might satisfy our hunger is more than taste. For example, a BBQ contains meat, which provides different nutrients than vegetables. Simulated scenes and pornography are the same in that they depict NSFW acts intended to arouse viewers. The level of explicitness varies, but the underlying content and purpose are the same
The analogy between viewing pornographic content and being aware of one’s parents’ bedroom activity is a non sequitur that lacks relevance ...
You have to be a kid to not be able to differentiate between p*rn and simulated s*x.
Simulated scenes are effectively the same as pornography, they produce the impression of real activity in the viewer's mind
The simulation is analogous to the substitution of sugar with artificial sweeteners. The taste is similar and the illusion of sweetness is maintained
The visual and auditory stimulation of pornography can be accomplished through real and simulated acts. Editing, camera angles or other technical means obfuscate the distinction between real and simulated acts, manipulating the viewer into experiencing the emotional, cognitive responses elicited by pornography. The illusion of the act is maintained. Thus, the separation between simulated scenes and pornography is a fallacious and erroneous construct
They lied to me too, I was told that Yiheon was going to get his body back and be in a relationship with SeKyung…
The original work is the gay web novel that underwent a process of adaptation. The web novel is an independent and original work inspired by the movie "Dude in Me." Each and every work derived inspiration from countless preceding works, upon which it built its unique identity. @roddib has an inadequate understanding of the term "original work"
They lied to me too, I was told that Yiheon was going to get his body back and be in a relationship with SeKyung…
The original work is the gay web novel that underwent a process of adaptation. The web novel is an independent and original work inspired by the movie "Dude in Me." Each and every work derived inspiration from countless preceding works, upon which it built its unique identity. @roddib has an inadequate understanding of the term "original work"
he didn't date any girl in the drama, he told that girl to ask him again in two weeks cause he thought SYH would…
"... even if he said double date we don't know the ages of the women he would date, they are in college after all and there are plenty mature women in college"
If so, Deuk Pal/Yi Heon's courtship of Se Kyung during the period of their shared collegiate experience, or in the years following their graduation, shouldn't have been a matter of dispute. Se Kyung would've attained a level of mental maturity and perspicacity sufficient to obviate any misgivings about potential imbalances in their relationship. He would've been of sound mind and judgment
The friendship between Deuk Pal/Yi Heon and Se Kyung had the potential for a more intimate, romantic connection to blossom once Se Kyung transitioned into the sphere of higher education and achieved the legal status of an adult. The producers could've depicted or captured the progression from friendship to romance. The motivation for the censorship of the gay relationship, and the depiction of Deuk Pal/Yi Heon engaging in heteronormative blind "dating" scenarios instead, was the producers' desire to maximize profit from the homophobic attitudes prevalent in society
Deuk Pal/Yi Heon's participation in heteronormative blind "dates" is perceived as "acceptable" by you and the general population. His relationship with college-aged Se Kyung wouldn't have been perceived as "acceptable," despite the mental maturity of the college-aged girls being of a comparable level to that of college-aged Se Kyung
The heteronormative gaze is wont to balk at the mere suggestion of two men in a romantic entanglement, the discussion surrounding the suitability of a romantic relationship between Deuk Pal/Yi Heon and Se Kyung can't be reduced to the criterion of mental maturity alone
I'm not surprised it's ranking so well. I've not caught up with all the aired episodes yet, but it's a great premise,…
I'm gay, yes. I find the censorship of the BL plot offensive and homophobic
Homophobia refers to the negative attitudes, behaviors, and institutionalized norms directed towards those who identify as non-heteronormative sexual identities
The censorship of gay works is a part of a system of oppression that maintains heteronormative dominance. It's homophobic insofar as it denies non-straight individuals the opportunity to see their identities or experiences reflected in the media they consume. The implication that they are somehow "other" limits the potential for social change and understanding
One doesn't have to be a member of a marginalized community to recognize and condemn discrimination against said community. In a surprising twist, those who don't share the lived experiences of gay individuals, and are able to recognize or articulate the harmful nature of the censorship that targets gay works, possess a greater understanding of homophobia than a gay person who claims to be impervious to the damaging effects of censorship
you are not a homophobe for not wanting to watch BL. No, this drama is not BL, it focuses on a gangster doing…
The delight one might take in the censorship of gay media does indicate an aversion or partiality against gay relationships that, if analyzed, will reveal manifestations of homophobia
Example: "I'm actually extremely happy they censored the source material"
just to add, it's not only the author who has no problem with this drama, it's the primary audience made up of…
"... successful people like the producers of this show who have seen rising numbers"
A work should be judged on its own merits, and not on how many people watch/read it
"... and people should learn from it"
Others should absolutely not learn from censorship of gay media. It'd create a culture of censorship that limits artistic expression and diversity
"... they start calling the writers fetishist"
This conflates the legitimate desire for positive representation with the unfairly harsh accusation of "fetishization." The majority of BL fans don't call BL producers "fetishists"
Allegations of "fetishization" against gay media delegitimize the creative efforts of BL producers and pathologize gay representation. They are homophobic gatekeeping disguised as concern that don't account for the processes of commodification and exploitation pervading all forms of media
Straight media has historically commodified and exploited gender norms, women, men, and the straight lifestyle. Producers of straight media "use straight content to make money and satisfy their fantasies." Therefore, targeting gay media is unwarranted and ultimately counterproductive
The censored drama is engaging in a marketing ploy that dangles the possibility of a gay relationship in front of the audience and yanks it away without resolution, causing a portion of the audience to feel betrayed, disillusioned, manipulated, and exploited by the production. The frustration of some of the members of the BL fandom or gay community shouldn't be overlooked to pacify the homophobic individuals leveling accusations of "fetishization" towards inclusive media
Yoon Chanyoung is so good in this gosh I love him. I'm curious tho, does the original work has the same story?…
@Roddib is quite the storyteller
The drama is an adaptation of the BL novel, not the non-BL movie that the BL novel was inspired by. The novel is its own entity with its own story that evolved and changed from the movie. The drama should have stayed true to the story presented in it
The original work is the movie The Dude In Me. Novel is an expansion and adaptation of it. Since original work…
The drama is an adaptation of the BL novel, not the non-BL movie that the BL novel was inspired by. The novel is its own entity with its own story that evolved and changed from the movie. The drama should have stayed true to the story presented in it
You’re speaking from a place of ignorance by making claims that diminish the legitimacy of the novel’s BL elements
People aren't waiting to be offended. They are being respectful of the BL novel. I suggest you learn a thing or two from them
50% of Viki being BL doesn't give you or others the right to censor gay elements in adaptations
Adult female BL enthusiasts are functioning members of society. They have jobs. They pay taxes. Assigning their gay fantasies the label of a fetish inaccurately associates them with mental illness
Gay fantasies might not reflect an all-consuming obsession. It's inappropriate for non-professionals to make assumptions about these women's mental health
It's worth mentioning that men and women engage in recurrent, intense fantasies surrounding straight power dynamics, and their fantasies or overconsumption of straight media are rarely, if ever, considered to be indicators of a fetish and mental illness. There's an existing double standard that pathologizes gay fantasies and not straight ones
Fetishes are a strong, unusual interest in objects or body parts
I suggest that you reconsider your approach
A few BL actors letting the opinions of their fans affect their friendships/relationships isn't worse than the ongoing stalking and physical assaults that actors and actresses of "straight" media are subjected to
The post addressed problematic behaviors within "straight" media fandoms. On what basis are you redirecting the conversation toward BL fans?
The romantic relationships between the female characters are subtly introduced as early as the 12th chapter with the presentation of the shared living arrangement between Ok Gyeong and another woman (they were ... roommates). This subtext becomes more explicit in the succeeding chapters
Bu Yeong, Jeong Nyeon's love interest, is one of the main female characters that was removed from the adaptation
Web address of the comic: https://comic.naver.com/webtoon/list?titleId=726214
The difference between the two meals that might satisfy our hunger is more than taste. For example, a BBQ contains meat, which provides different nutrients than vegetables. Simulated scenes and pornography are the same in that they depict NSFW acts intended to arouse viewers. The level of explicitness varies, but the underlying content and purpose are the same
The analogy between viewing pornographic content and being aware of one’s parents’ bedroom activity is a non sequitur that lacks relevance ...
The simulation is analogous to the substitution of sugar with artificial sweeteners. The taste is similar and the illusion of sweetness is maintained
The visual and auditory stimulation of pornography can be accomplished through real and simulated acts. Editing, camera angles or other technical means obfuscate the distinction between real and simulated acts, manipulating the viewer into experiencing the emotional, cognitive responses elicited by pornography. The illusion of the act is maintained. Thus, the separation between simulated scenes and pornography is a fallacious and erroneous construct
If so, Deuk Pal/Yi Heon's courtship of Se Kyung during the period of their shared collegiate experience, or in the years following their graduation, shouldn't have been a matter of dispute. Se Kyung would've attained a level of mental maturity and perspicacity sufficient to obviate any misgivings about potential imbalances in their relationship. He would've been of sound mind and judgment
The friendship between Deuk Pal/Yi Heon and Se Kyung had the potential for a more intimate, romantic connection to blossom once Se Kyung transitioned into the sphere of higher education and achieved the legal status of an adult. The producers could've depicted or captured the progression from friendship to romance. The motivation for the censorship of the gay relationship, and the depiction of Deuk Pal/Yi Heon engaging in heteronormative blind "dating" scenarios instead, was the producers' desire to maximize profit from the homophobic attitudes prevalent in society
Deuk Pal/Yi Heon's participation in heteronormative blind "dates" is perceived as "acceptable" by you and the general population. His relationship with college-aged Se Kyung wouldn't have been perceived as "acceptable," despite the mental maturity of the college-aged girls being of a comparable level to that of college-aged Se Kyung
The heteronormative gaze is wont to balk at the mere suggestion of two men in a romantic entanglement, the discussion surrounding the suitability of a romantic relationship between Deuk Pal/Yi Heon and Se Kyung can't be reduced to the criterion of mental maturity alone
Homophobia refers to the negative attitudes, behaviors, and institutionalized norms directed towards those who identify as non-heteronormative sexual identities
The censorship of gay works is a part of a system of oppression that maintains heteronormative dominance. It's homophobic insofar as it denies non-straight individuals the opportunity to see their identities or experiences reflected in the media they consume. The implication that they are somehow "other" limits the potential for social change and understanding
One doesn't have to be a member of a marginalized community to recognize and condemn discrimination against said community. In a surprising twist, those who don't share the lived experiences of gay individuals, and are able to recognize or articulate the harmful nature of the censorship that targets gay works, possess a greater understanding of homophobia than a gay person who claims to be impervious to the damaging effects of censorship
Example: "I'm actually extremely happy they censored the source material"
A work should be judged on its own merits, and not on how many people watch/read it
"... and people should learn from it"
Others should absolutely not learn from censorship of gay media. It'd create a culture of censorship that limits artistic expression and diversity
"... they start calling the writers fetishist"
This conflates the legitimate desire for positive representation with the unfairly harsh accusation of "fetishization." The majority of BL fans don't call BL producers "fetishists"
Allegations of "fetishization" against gay media delegitimize the creative efforts of BL producers and pathologize gay representation. They are homophobic gatekeeping disguised as concern that don't account for the processes of commodification and exploitation pervading all forms of media
Straight media has historically commodified and exploited gender norms, women, men, and the straight lifestyle. Producers of straight media "use straight content to make money and satisfy their fantasies." Therefore, targeting gay media is unwarranted and ultimately counterproductive
The censored drama is engaging in a marketing ploy that dangles the possibility of a gay relationship in front of the audience and yanks it away without resolution, causing a portion of the audience to feel betrayed, disillusioned, manipulated, and exploited by the production. The frustration of some of the members of the BL fandom or gay community shouldn't be overlooked to pacify the homophobic individuals leveling accusations of "fetishization" towards inclusive media
The drama is an adaptation of the BL novel, not the non-BL movie that the BL novel was inspired by. The novel is its own entity with its own story that evolved and changed from the movie. The drama should have stayed true to the story presented in it
You’re speaking from a place of ignorance by making claims that diminish the legitimacy of the novel’s BL elements
People aren't waiting to be offended. They are being respectful of the BL novel. I suggest you learn a thing or two from them
50% of Viki being BL doesn't give you or others the right to censor gay elements in adaptations