Demy_Martin

All the cheating storylines arguments aside why the hell has Cho not gone to Human Resources about Pete already? He's known something fishy was going on since ep 4-5 and clearly has a good relationship with the female boss (can't remember her name) who seems to be above Pete. He knows Pete has come on to his friends and was even harassed himself. Also Jay is a dick but I feel pretty bad for him, he's not wrong since Pete is a dirty superior.

Amazing post. I think that a lot of the issues surrounding this season stem from the fact that these are beloved characters that some fans have been following for years. It is hard to see a character you love (i.e. Korn and Yihwa) do things to other characters you love (Knock and Cho). It is almost like they have done it to you. As they are fictional we forget that real persons are not perfect. I think this is actually the first time the characters don't seem like fiction. Yihwa isn't a flawless queen, Cho isn't a super confident guy, Knock is reckless but not a complete idiot, and Korn is weak and easily influenced. Like you said, each relationship and character shows what varies between couples and the differences this season has attempted to show with essentially the same storyline for all.

I think it's fair to point out that if we talk strictly writing, I think the reason TWM worked better than BR and TWMTNC is that it is so much easier to write a couple getting together than it is writing an established relationship, that's why a common theme in TV is that once a couple gets together the show falls apart, it is also why telenovela's which you mentioned preveiously last anywhere from 5 months to a year and have unnecessary and unrealistic plots to keep the couple apart.

Well said, I may be repetitive in saying that I think that point is being missed, however the same can be said about you. Obviously there are serious issues with the season and the show definitely struggled to be consistent during the first few episodes but from the standpoint of a writer, it makes sense that there would be inconsistencies when you are merging two timelines. BR and TWM were two timelines and TWMTNC is a hybrid of the two, admittedly a failed one since there are holes. My personal issue is really only with Kavitra. We knew going in that Korn was still hiding from his family so you cannot use the argument that Korn is still being a closeted jerk as a flaw since that clearly shown in the trailer. Your other repetitive point is that Knock suddenly cared about Korn. This might be me and my high horse (reflection in my opinion) but could it not be that gasp! Knock realized that Korn had a point in calling him out about not coming out himself, that he was woken up by WanWan's behavior and after having a weight lifted off of him by coming out to his family, that he felt better and lighter and less frustrated towards Korn so he was more loving.

Funny that you say we are dispensing condescending deflections when you are the one that is hammering out condescending remarks time and time again. I don't think that myself, or the fellow fans who are supporting the season, think that anyone who is reacting negatively is immature. What my take on this situation is is that people are missing the point of the season. You quoted your own post back to me however it seems like you didn't bother to read mine. It is unrealistic to have 3 couples all with the same problem (i.e. cheating) but it is realistic that they are all with different motivations (i.e. revenge, sex, emotions). There is too much focus on who the characters are and not enough on the concepts the season is attempting to cover.

It's not totally realistic as three couples (all friends) being involved in cheating is ridiculous, it is not a far stretch from reality if you look at it in depth. Farm and Bright and Rit are one love triangle. This one however is part of a trauma/survival story as well. It is obvious that what happened to him affected Bright deeply. He appears to have left his engineering career behind and is consumed by a revenge plot and now is feeling a bit guilty because it does look like Bright has changed. Yihwa and Korn represent two different types of cheating. Korn said it himself, his was purely sexual. Yihwa on the other hand has done something that in my opinion is worse. She has feelings for Art and this was not a spur of the moment thing with her where she was feeling down or was drinking. As a viewer it is interesting to see different sides of human flaws presented. I'm sorry, what kind of reality do you live in that none of this is real to you?

I'm not gonna lie, I loved the Cho and Knock dynamic in Bad Romance so shipping them makes total sense. I think that it is heavily implied that Yihwa was a virgin before this episode. In TWM Korn alludes to her never messing up the sheets because she always sleeps alone and it was obvious in Bad Romance that she was uncomfortable with sexual come on's like the ones from P'James and Cho. Nice job noticing that. Also, Yes! the karma, the parallel's, the way the storylines are complex, this is what I live for.

As a fan of this and lbc chance I have to say that they are both well done in their own way. Pete and Ae are kids, their 18-20 at most. Korn and Knock are 22, 23. Even Farm said in the episode. Relationships change. Pete and Ae are in honeymoon territory, Korn and Knock are in the settled and troubled area. It happens.

I wish Korn would come out for himself as well, because I think that doing it for oneself is the only reason anyone should ever need to come out. It might be why I sympathize with Korn a bit because he is terrified to do it and Knock is constantly pressuring him to do it (not that he doesn't have a fair point I mean Korn did propose). I don't think Knock will find what Korn did appealing but I think that he will learn to understand the reasons behind Korn's behavior. Korn was losing it in ep 7 because of fear and anxiety. I also feel that there is more to the boss and this hook up. I do not trust Pete and I think that something more tragic might happen. They work in an industrial setting that has posed a danger before.

I think showing past the kissing scene was a bad move as well. I get your point completely about the difference between Knock's infidelity and korn's. Cheating after being with someone a month is different than cheating on someone after almost 3 years. My point is while I know Knock will be upset as anyone who has been betrayed would be, I think his past will help him better understand Korn and perhaps that will be the grounds for a reconciliation. They're biggest problem as a couple has always been a lack of communication and understanding. Perhaps this is what they needed (and I'm including Knock's coming out and Korn's showdown with his dad next ep) for them to finally do so.

I don't want this to be taken as me saying it's the same thing but while Korn did cheat, we should remember that Knock cheated on Pleng at one point. If they are to move past this I hope there is some reflection on that and if the rumors that Mew will be in this season, I would love to see a conversation between him and Korn. This show has always been better at writing friendships than relationships.

Exactly. I by no means like the cheating storyline because I love Korn and hate that they made him do that in the script but it was so well done. I started crying when he was talking to Knock on Cho's phone and says he tried (to tell his parents) he sounded broken, he was broken and I think that's why he cheated, not that that's an excuse but it does set up the remainder of his arc....to be mended. Also, theory time. Could Jay be a jerk because the boss is constantly seducing workers. Maybe he used Jay and dropped him.

It's the middle if the season. This is when the story is meant to get intense. It's clever when viewed objectively which I am trying to do. Knock decided to come out because Korn called out his hypocrisy over telling Korn to come out when he had not done so either. It wasn't random, he clearly acknowledged that he should.

Knock was scared, I thought that was such a great scene and his parents are epic. I do want to point out some thing because I am a film nerd and I love picking at the small things. Knock was scared but he came out to them in person. Korn did it (tried to) over the phone. Lerk (I believe that's Korn's father's name) was shown looking through Korn's old things which they did together, one of those things was shooting. The trailer (for the season) showed Korn being slapped by his father to the point that he bleeds. I don't want to say that Knock's fear isn't valid, it so is, but I think Korn is fearful in another level. This episode showed him breaking down completely to the point that he cheated and lost himself while it showed Knock letting go and so happy. It was honestly my favorite regardless of what this can mean for the future.

I get where you are coming from but I think it's a bit wrong to say that Korn stole Knock from Pleng or that he made Knock go from straight to gay. In TWM Korn spent the first few episodes feeling apologetic and wanting to fix his FRIENDSHIP with Knock, not start a relationship. He did not sleep with Knock knowing that he had a girlfriend (the first time). It took 6 episodes for him to even admit that he liked Knock and he always told Knock he had to make a choice because he couldn't be doing this to Pleng even if she was a bitch. Knock on the other hand slept with Korn again, sober this time. Personally I label Knock as Bisexual since it is implied he got aroused by WanWan in an earlier episode. If nothing else Korn awoke a new side to Knock's sexuality.

I think that the coming out scene and the cheating scene were strategically placed back to back. As an objective fan I was actually impressed that they were that clever with the execution. The scenes, the whole episode really, was meant to be parallels. Farm is now parallel to Bright. Last season Bright was a player, this time it is Farm (i.e. when he tells the Doc that the man asked him to accept his conditions before so he should now). Korn was breaking down of the pressures of knowing that if he comes out he will never have a family again while Knock was on cloud 9 because his parents are completely accepting.

To be honest I get why everyone is so angry over this season but I am kind of compelled to keep watching. Yes, if Korn kisses (or more) his boss that is horrible and I also hate cheating storylines but I think it's a clever twist to the story since Knock is the known flake. Personally I am team Korn all the way because while I don't agree with his decision to hide his relationship with Knock, I do think that Knock does not understand Korn's reasons for doing so. Something I picked up on a few episodes ago is that I think Knock is under the impression that Korn does not want to come out to his family because he is embarrassed when the truth is he is genuinely scared of what his father will do. In TWM we saw that Kavitra choose Phu over what others said and looked at Korn with worry when she was going to get outed to their mom. She is not in this season and Korn's dad used the phrase "only daughter". Rather than assume the writers forgot her, what if she was cut from the family for being with a student (something unacceptable). Even the mom looks nervous around the father. I think if the two talked they would be in a better place.