Just wanted to drop by and say that I'm surprised that people think this is better than tkem? TKEM at the very…
Let me make a quick point comparison of the two shows.
Chemistry - Winner Start Up
TKEM - Until the end, I felt nothing for the main couple, and there was just so much cringe scenes. I personally thought they didn't cast the right person for TE.
Start Up - The chemistry is also horrible, and it felt like brother and sister kissing most of the time, but at the very least the two leads look like they would fit each other somehow.
Characterization - Winner TKEM
TKEM - As bad as it was, the show actually keeps the characterization of LG and LR quite consistent. Sure they are ridiculous characterizations, but at the least they are consistent from start to finish.
Startup - The characters of almost everyone in the show, even Saha, is so inconsistent, they are often seen doing things inconsistent with how their characters were initially written. This lead to more frustrations from the audiences as they saw the characters doing things out of character.
Plot Holes - Winner Start Up
TKEM - This show had so many plot holes it was ridiculous. There were so many unexplained things. The fact that the show used actual science to explain things, made it worse, as it made no sense. The way the show tried to plug the holes were laughably bad.
Start Up - This show also had a lot of plot holes due to poor writing, but the number of plot holes is not as much as TKEM.
Plot - Winner Start Up
TKEM - The fact that many people found the plot too confusing to enjoy is a bad mark for the drama. And yes, i've seen the claims by some that you needed to be a certain amount of intelligence to enjoy it, but that is not realistic. The plot was confusing, and made zero sense at times. I have dissected all the bad plot points during the live airing, and the are certainly a lot of them.
Start Up - Start up's plot is also terribly bad, but it's not very confusing. In fact, it is instead hyper predictable. But at least, more people can enjoy it.
Dislike for ML - Winner TKEM
Lee Gon - As much as I disliked this character, a lot of people actually liked him and thought he was semi-cool. It had to do with the writing though as the writer wrote LG as a literal god with powers.
Nam Do San - Really unlikeable Main Lead, he wins the unlikeable department over Lee Gon by a landslide
OST - Winner Start Up
As much as some songs were good, OST had more repeatable songs, and a better OST overall. At least in my opinion.
Female Lead - Tie
Both female leads start out as strong and independent, then eventually succumb to be useless and weak Female Leads, so they are both equally lose.
So with a score of 4 - 2 I think Start Up is better :)))
But comparing Start Up to TKEM is like comparing bad and worse, it's a contest for worst show of 2020.
I'm so confused, before I started it people were saying how Do San was one of the worst written lead ever and…
Here is a list of things NDS does wrong that most people didn't like. I stopped updating this list after Ep. 14, so I am missing quite a few more.
As for HJP being rude. I think that depends on your personal experience. I am Asian, and the way he talks to me is not really rude, it's par for the course in Asian society. I mean some people go to an asian restaurant and say the servers are rude, but being asian myself, I don't mind it or even notice it. So you finding HJP rude is probably based on your own experience. But yes, most people did not find HJP rude.
NDS faults lies in his nice on the outside, manipulative and toxic in the inside. And nicer than HJP? I don't think you'll find many people who agree with this. Also NDS is a lot less selfless than HJP as well.
But in the end its your opinion :)))
The list below includes everything NDS has done wrong from Ep 1 - 14. As a bonus, I included everything wrong HJP has done for comparison.
NDS Wrongdoings
1. Waste his investors (parents) money for 3 years. 2. Did not pay his friends salary for 3 years. 3. Hides from his parents to avoid them from finding out the truth about the failing start up. 4. Cheats on a test 5. Lies to his parents about cheating on the test 6. Extends the lie by not following HJP advice and continuing to fool SDM by pretending to be fake Dosan. 7. Signs deal with Alex without consulting HJP 8. Wants to sign with Alex out of spite for HJP’s Plan B 9. Punches HJP first 10. Shouts and screams at HJP for his own mistakes 11. Lies for HJP, by telling SDM they were brothers. 12. Lies to his parents about why he dropped out of college. 13. Did not tell his parents (investors), about shareholder structure of the company his parents invested in. Especially his mother. 14. Smashes Chairman Won nameplate, almost causing large issues for SST. 15. Given several opportunities, continues to lie to SDM about him being a fake. 16. Lies to SDM about the scrunchie. 17. Lies to SDM about having English classes in her area. 18. Lies to SDM about why he got into a fight. 19. When asked for personal space, chooses to follow her and not give her personal space. 20. Leaves a drunk girl in a park at night, while running to get a suit. 21. Did not tell SST about his deal with Alex, how Alex only wanted engineers. Also did not tell SDM about the deal for SST is because he didn’t want HJP plan B. 22. Kisses SDM under false pretense. 23. Touches SDM while she is sleeping, this is a no no for me. 24. Promises to keep Grandma’s lie, then proceeds to break that promise and tells SDM. 25. Promises to keep Grandma’s lie, then proceeds to break that promise and tells HJP. 26. Purposely kicks out HJP from being in Grandma’s house, by once again lying that HJP had previous dinner plans. 27. Purposely leaving HJP out of beach trip with Grandma, and honking his horn disrespectfully as HJP is walking away. 28. Blames his father for the man he has become. 29. Constantly eavesdrops on SDM, not giving her personal space. 30. Refuses to acknowledge any of HJP help as a mentor. 31. Manipulates HJP into saving Noongil. 32. Lies to his friends on his real reason on going to Korea. 33. Lies to his friends that he doesn't want to see SDM's video. 34. Lies to HJP on why he is in Sandbox.
HJP Wrongdoings.
1. HJP shouts at grandma and argues with her 2. Creates Fake Dosan letters to SDM 3. Ask NDS to pretend to be fake Dosan to fool SDM 4. Shouts at and berates SST for not being able to achieve much, and won’t achieve much in the future. 5. Harsh words to Yong San brother may have caused suicide. 6. Lies to SDM why he got into a fight. 7. Lies to SDM on why he continues to be nice to SST. 8. HJP doesn't look for Grandma for 15 years. 9. HJP pushes NDS in the elevator. 10. Uses the scrunchies in hopes to make NDS jealous.
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They have KSH chained in their office somewhere :)
Need translation ASAP lol
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Chemistry - Winner Start Up
TKEM - Until the end, I felt nothing for the main couple, and there was just so much cringe scenes. I personally thought they didn't cast the right person for TE.
Start Up - The chemistry is also horrible, and it felt like brother and sister kissing most of the time, but at the very least the two leads look like they would fit each other somehow.
Characterization - Winner TKEM
TKEM - As bad as it was, the show actually keeps the characterization of LG and LR quite consistent. Sure they are ridiculous characterizations, but at the least they are consistent from start to finish.
Startup - The characters of almost everyone in the show, even Saha, is so inconsistent, they are often seen doing things inconsistent with how their characters were initially written. This lead to more frustrations from the audiences as they saw the characters doing things out of character.
Plot Holes - Winner Start Up
TKEM - This show had so many plot holes it was ridiculous. There were so many unexplained things. The fact that the show used actual science to explain things, made it worse, as it made no sense. The way the show tried to plug the holes were laughably bad.
Start Up - This show also had a lot of plot holes due to poor writing, but the number of plot holes is not as much as TKEM.
Plot - Winner Start Up
TKEM - The fact that many people found the plot too confusing to enjoy is a bad mark for the drama. And yes, i've seen the claims by some that you needed to be a certain amount of intelligence to enjoy it, but that is not realistic. The plot was confusing, and made zero sense at times. I have dissected all the bad plot points during the live airing, and the are certainly a lot of them.
Start Up - Start up's plot is also terribly bad, but it's not very confusing. In fact, it is instead hyper predictable. But at least, more people can enjoy it.
Dislike for ML - Winner TKEM
Lee Gon - As much as I disliked this character, a lot of people actually liked him and thought he was semi-cool. It had to do with the writing though as the writer wrote LG as a literal god with powers.
Nam Do San - Really unlikeable Main Lead, he wins the unlikeable department over Lee Gon by a landslide
OST - Winner Start Up
As much as some songs were good, OST had more repeatable songs, and a better OST overall. At least in my opinion.
Female Lead - Tie
Both female leads start out as strong and independent, then eventually succumb to be useless and weak Female Leads, so they are both equally lose.
So with a score of 4 - 2 I think Start Up is better :)))
But comparing Start Up to TKEM is like comparing bad and worse, it's a contest for worst show of 2020.
As for HJP being rude. I think that depends on your personal experience. I am Asian, and the way he talks to me is not really rude, it's par for the course in Asian society. I mean some people go to an asian restaurant and say the servers are rude, but being asian myself, I don't mind it or even notice it. So you finding HJP rude is probably based on your own experience. But yes, most people did not find HJP rude.
NDS faults lies in his nice on the outside, manipulative and toxic in the inside. And nicer than HJP? I don't think you'll find many people who agree with this. Also NDS is a lot less selfless than HJP as well.
But in the end its your opinion :)))
The list below includes everything NDS has done wrong from Ep 1 - 14. As a bonus, I included everything wrong HJP has done for comparison.
NDS Wrongdoings
1. Waste his investors (parents) money for 3 years.
2. Did not pay his friends salary for 3 years.
3. Hides from his parents to avoid them from finding out the truth about the failing start up.
4. Cheats on a test
5. Lies to his parents about cheating on the test
6. Extends the lie by not following HJP advice and continuing to fool SDM by pretending to be fake Dosan.
7. Signs deal with Alex without consulting HJP
8. Wants to sign with Alex out of spite for HJP’s Plan B
9. Punches HJP first
10. Shouts and screams at HJP for his own mistakes
11. Lies for HJP, by telling SDM they were brothers.
12. Lies to his parents about why he dropped out of college.
13. Did not tell his parents (investors), about shareholder structure of the company his parents invested in. Especially his mother.
14. Smashes Chairman Won nameplate, almost causing large issues for SST.
15. Given several opportunities, continues to lie to SDM about him being a fake.
16. Lies to SDM about the scrunchie.
17. Lies to SDM about having English classes in her area.
18. Lies to SDM about why he got into a fight.
19. When asked for personal space, chooses to follow her and not give her personal space.
20. Leaves a drunk girl in a park at night, while running to get a suit.
21. Did not tell SST about his deal with Alex, how Alex only wanted engineers. Also did not tell SDM about the deal for SST is because he didn’t want HJP plan B.
22. Kisses SDM under false pretense.
23. Touches SDM while she is sleeping, this is a no no for me.
24. Promises to keep Grandma’s lie, then proceeds to break that promise and tells SDM.
25. Promises to keep Grandma’s lie, then proceeds to break that promise and tells HJP.
26. Purposely kicks out HJP from being in Grandma’s house, by once again lying that HJP had previous dinner plans.
27. Purposely leaving HJP out of beach trip with Grandma, and honking his horn disrespectfully as HJP is walking away.
28. Blames his father for the man he has become.
29. Constantly eavesdrops on SDM, not giving her personal space.
30. Refuses to acknowledge any of HJP help as a mentor.
31. Manipulates HJP into saving Noongil.
32. Lies to his friends on his real reason on going to Korea.
33. Lies to his friends that he doesn't want to see SDM's video.
34. Lies to HJP on why he is in Sandbox.
HJP Wrongdoings.
1. HJP shouts at grandma and argues with her
2. Creates Fake Dosan letters to SDM
3. Ask NDS to pretend to be fake Dosan to fool SDM
4. Shouts at and berates SST for not being able to achieve much, and won’t achieve much in the future.
5. Harsh words to Yong San brother may have caused suicide.
6. Lies to SDM why he got into a fight.
7. Lies to SDM on why he continues to be nice to SST.
8. HJP doesn't look for Grandma for 15 years.
9. HJP pushes NDS in the elevator.
10. Uses the scrunchies in hopes to make NDS jealous.