Who said we don't hate "Pit Babe?"Plenty of people spoke out against "omegaverse" during the height…
What's pathetic? Leaving a hate comment or replying to one?
"Everyone acting as if it's gonna show him (?) with a pregnant belly"
It's still weird. Omegaverse authors are the kind of people who show up to class with a glossary of made-up pronouns and the unshakable confidence of the misinformed
It's okay to have preferences, you don't have to watch BL. But it's inconsiderate to rejoice in the removal of…
People's preferences aren't static and unchanging. The popularity of "Heartstopper," "Call Me By Your Name," "Semantic Error," "I Told Sunset About You," etc, suggests that there's a growing audience for BL/gay content. The lack of representation is sometimes a symptom of the entertainment industry's lingering prejudices
If roles were reversed, we'd have to see how things would play out. You might or might not get a taste of what we experienced. I might or might not stand up for someone who didn't stand up for my community. We can't know for sure
It's okay to have preferences, you don't have to watch BL. But it's inconsiderate to rejoice in the removal of…
A group's visibility in media need not be restricted by demographic statistics. It's possible to envision and develop fictional worlds in which all or a large number of the characters are e.g. gay, as a means of promoting greater representation, respect for differences and understanding of the community. The only barriers to the production of fictional worlds with greater representation for marginalized communities are the societal biases against gay relationships and the general deficiency of innovative ideas and creative vision among media creators and consumers
The callousness with which the majority disregards the interests of marginalized communities in pursuit of their own interests is disheartening and emblematic of a dangerous individualism
Democracy isn't just a numerical game of winners and losers. It elevates all voices and interests
It's the duty of a democratic society to ensure that the rights and interests of all members, including marginalized communities, are protected and represented in public discourse and artistic expression
We've both made our points. We might not see eye-to-eye on the issue, but I appreciate the opportunity to have engaged in this conversation with you
It's okay to have preferences, you don't have to watch BL. But it's inconsiderate to rejoice in the removal of…
There's a difference between the inclusion of BL/gay content and its absence. The presence of BL/gay content provides representation to a group that's marginalized and underrepresented in mainstream media. The absence of BL/gay content marginalizes that group
I've made my position clear. I don't agree with the passive consumption of censored BL/gay entertainment. I won't "just enjoy the show"
The preferences of non-BL consumers operate as an invisible hand of censorship against BL/gay content. Non-BL consumers exert pressure on creators and distributors to bend their artistic visions to the pitiless will of the market and suppress or diminish the dissemination of BL/gay content
The wings of artistic freedom are crushed beneath the tramping feet of market forces. Your endorsement of this process contributes to the system of discrimination that privileges your preferences over our preferences, ringing as loudly as any hate-filled tirade in our ears. The cost of your happiness was/is the sadness of others, a cost too high for democracy to bear
Demanding that others refrain from challenging or questioning your comments creates an echo chamber. You're closing yourselves off from critical inquiry. It's at odds with the notion of accepting the possibility of challenge and criticism
It's okay to have preferences, you don't have to watch BL. But it's inconsiderate to rejoice in the removal of…
The presence of BL/gay content doesn't make a piece of media unworthy of consumption or less enjoyable
You trumpet the "virtues" of free speech, yet dance in celebration that certain expressions are censored or snuffed out. Your conception of free speech is flawed and you have little appreciation for the true meaning of "freedom"
Democracy depends on the free flow of ideas and perspectives, not the stifling of content that doesn't conform to your preferences
You shared your opinion in public and implicitly accepted the possibility of challenge and criticism as part of the democratic process. My exercise of my right to express myself and challenge your opinion is a natural consequence of that process. It's not an attack on your right to hold and express your opinion, it's a call for accountability and introspection
The responsible use of one's right to free expression requires a consideration of how one's words and actions might affect others. "I'm happy they removed the BL content" doesn't reflect awareness or consideration
i'm glad it's not a bl drama , i can't watch them, not my cup of tea at all. The story seemed so good tho and…
It's okay to have preferences, you don't have to watch BL. But it's inconsiderate to rejoice in the removal of BL/gay content because one doesn't enjoy it. If I called for the complete elimination of e.g. banana milk because I don't enjoy the flavor, without regard for the preferences of others who enjoy it, would that be okay or considerate of me?
There are individuals who enjoy BL. Censorship deprives them of content they might've otherwise enjoyed
Homophobic censorship is an important thing to worry aboutIt's not weird to express distaste for the censorship…
"People act like it's the end of the world"
Censorship can silence dissenting voices and hinder artistic expression. It's a punch to the gut, if not the end of the world
"They stopped caring about the show as soon as they realized it lacked BL"
They stopped caring "as soon as they realized" the adaptation was disrespectful to the BL/gay source material and the gay community
"For me a good story, good quality acting and entertainment value is FAR MORE IMPORTANT"
Good for you. Requiring BL content isn’t shallow reasoning, it’s a preference. Some people prefer tea over coffee, comedy over drama, BL over non-BL. Fans of BL are drawn to gay relationships and their exploration of different dynamics. They'd naturally want to consume content that reflects those preferences
It seems you derive satisfaction, or a "hit" of pleasure, from making unkind comparisons about us and our preferences. It's with biting irony that your haughty, antagonistic screed chastising "shallow" preferences devolved into the most superficial, shallow drivel imaginable
Homophobic censorship is an important thing to worry about
It's not weird to express distaste for the censorship of non-straight content, or to prefer BL/gay adaptations to honor the integrity of their source materials, rather than succumbing to the homophobic whims of society
Your immediate association of gay relationships with "genitals being smashed together" is a telling slip of the tongue. It tells me that the accusation of fetishization is a projection of your/society's own weird obsession with and fetishization of the straight lifestyle that borders on the obscene, where any deviation or gayness is met with suspicion, ridicule and censorship
You salivate over the thought of a man and a woman together with the fervor of a junkie jonesing for their next hit. You're enslaved to the heteronormative script. Please free yourselves from this addiction of the mind before you speak ill of BL fans. BL fans aren't weird degenerates, they are people who appreciate the beauty and complexity of gay relationships. And they have every right to be outraged that their stories are co-opted and censored
disliking the character is one thing, bringing that crap into the real world and disliking the actress/actors…
Everyone has flaws. The people who are "just existing" have yet to be apprehended for their misdeeds or cross the pitifully low bar for what constitutes wrongdoing. Those of us with a more discerning moral eye see that humanity as a whole is falling short of the mark
"You're also forgetting that they're public figures"
Their publicness opened them up to a level of examination or vitriol that private citizens are exempt from. They asked for it
Love and support towards a celebrity should be granted if they exhibit qualities deserving of positive regard. We are under no obligation to agree with your assessment of their value
Your dogged defense of and allegiance to celebrities verges on cultish behavior. Please consider stepping away and focusing on more meaningful pursuits
disliking the character is one thing, bringing that crap into the real world and disliking the actress/actors…
It's fair to hate an actor or actress for their role. If you can't hate them, you can't love or support them either. You don't know them on a personal level to blindly follow and defend them
it was great, cried last ep because witnessing his soul dying was sad. But i have just a complain. It was 99%…
We weren't shipping an adult with a minor. We wished for the BL/romantic plot to take one of two possible directions: Yi Heon's soul returning to his body, facing his inner demons head-on, fighting for his heart's desires and dating Se Kyung, with both parties being of equal maturity; or the new, mentally older Yi Heon and Se Kyung nurturing their friendship into a romantic relationship after graduating from university, with Se Kyung having reached legal adulthood and an appropriate level of mental maturity for the relationship
Actually, I got a laugh out of how stupid that question was. In its hilarious simplicity, it is emblematic of…
We're not the suicide prevention hotline. And it's not our responsibility to "save" suicidal Korean celebrities from themselves. It might be sad, but that’s not going to stop me from enjoying my favorite Korean content. It's not like the celebrities were pressured to participate in a twisted, Hunger Games-style competition. They chose to be in the spotlight
"Dating" and "marriage" are personal matters, they shouldn't make headlines
"Hot sex" scenes are the unnecessary commercials I fast-forward through, just pointless filler that doesn’t add anything to the story. If a movie or drama wants to keep my attention, it’d better focus on the parts that contribute to the story
It's been a long time since I've seen this kind of campus romance drama. Now Korean dramas are full of revenge,…
The so-called "love" between boys and girls of which pop singers wax lyrical doesn't make me feel comfortable. It's a concept that brings with it a miasma of discomfort
If one were to remove the rose-tinted glasses of human ignorance, they'd find that there's no "love" between a male and a female, only a mirage concocted by humanity that's aimed at the propagation of our abominable species
This is one of the few times in a K-drama where I was actually really SHIPPING the two main leads and of course…
I'm opposed to the "straight" paradigm and the practice of "shipping" men with women. As such, I'm unable to relate to your comment
My preferred alternative is to support the romantic pairing of Shin Young and Namkoong Min, two men, to challenge the dominant heteronormative discourse
"The Devil Judge" isn't a "straight" Kdrama. Thriller and mystery narratives that resist heteronormative elements or the conventional focus on so-called "romance" escape the trappings of a simplistic "straight" classification. They are better described as "non-romantic." Like "The Devil Judge," they might explore homoromantic undertones between men
"Everyone acting as if it's gonna show him (?) with a pregnant belly"
It's still weird. Omegaverse authors are the kind of people who show up to class with a glossary of made-up pronouns and the unshakable confidence of the misinformed
Plenty of people spoke out against "omegaverse" during the height of Pit Babe's popularity. Their voices were drowned out by rabid fans
If roles were reversed, we'd have to see how things would play out. You might or might not get a taste of what we experienced. I might or might not stand up for someone who didn't stand up for my community. We can't know for sure
The callousness with which the majority disregards the interests of marginalized communities in pursuit of their own interests is disheartening and emblematic of a dangerous individualism
Democracy isn't just a numerical game of winners and losers. It elevates all voices and interests
It's the duty of a democratic society to ensure that the rights and interests of all members, including marginalized communities, are protected and represented in public discourse and artistic expression
We've both made our points. We might not see eye-to-eye on the issue, but I appreciate the opportunity to have engaged in this conversation with you
Have a good day/night
I've made my position clear. I don't agree with the passive consumption of censored BL/gay entertainment. I won't "just enjoy the show"
The preferences of non-BL consumers operate as an invisible hand of censorship against BL/gay content. Non-BL consumers exert pressure on creators and distributors to bend their artistic visions to the pitiless will of the market and suppress or diminish the dissemination of BL/gay content
The wings of artistic freedom are crushed beneath the tramping feet of market forces. Your endorsement of this process contributes to the system of discrimination that privileges your preferences over our preferences, ringing as loudly as any hate-filled tirade in our ears. The cost of your happiness was/is the sadness of others, a cost too high for democracy to bear
Demanding that others refrain from challenging or questioning your comments creates an echo chamber. You're closing yourselves off from critical inquiry. It's at odds with the notion of accepting the possibility of challenge and criticism
You trumpet the "virtues" of free speech, yet dance in celebration that certain expressions are censored or snuffed out. Your conception of free speech is flawed and you have little appreciation for the true meaning of "freedom"
Democracy depends on the free flow of ideas and perspectives, not the stifling of content that doesn't conform to your preferences
You shared your opinion in public and implicitly accepted the possibility of challenge and criticism as part of the democratic process. My exercise of my right to express myself and challenge your opinion is a natural consequence of that process. It's not an attack on your right to hold and express your opinion, it's a call for accountability and introspection
The responsible use of one's right to free expression requires a consideration of how one's words and actions might affect others. "I'm happy they removed the BL content" doesn't reflect awareness or consideration
There are individuals who enjoy BL. Censorship deprives them of content they might've otherwise enjoyed
Censorship can silence dissenting voices and hinder artistic expression. It's a punch to the gut, if not the end of the world
"They stopped caring about the show as soon as they realized it lacked BL"
They stopped caring "as soon as they realized" the adaptation was disrespectful to the BL/gay source material and the gay community
"For me a good story, good quality acting and entertainment value is FAR MORE IMPORTANT"
Good for you. Requiring BL content isn’t shallow reasoning, it’s a preference. Some people prefer tea over coffee, comedy over drama, BL over non-BL. Fans of BL are drawn to gay relationships and their exploration of different dynamics. They'd naturally want to consume content that reflects those preferences
It seems you derive satisfaction, or a "hit" of pleasure, from making unkind comparisons about us and our preferences. It's with biting irony that your haughty, antagonistic screed chastising "shallow" preferences devolved into the most superficial, shallow drivel imaginable
It's not weird to express distaste for the censorship of non-straight content, or to prefer BL/gay adaptations to honor the integrity of their source materials, rather than succumbing to the homophobic whims of society
Your immediate association of gay relationships with "genitals being smashed together" is a telling slip of the tongue. It tells me that the accusation of fetishization is a projection of your/society's own weird obsession with and fetishization of the straight lifestyle that borders on the obscene, where any deviation or gayness is met with suspicion, ridicule and censorship
You salivate over the thought of a man and a woman together with the fervor of a junkie jonesing for their next hit. You're enslaved to the heteronormative script. Please free yourselves from this addiction of the mind before you speak ill of BL fans. BL fans aren't weird degenerates, they are people who appreciate the beauty and complexity of gay relationships. And they have every right to be outraged that their stories are co-opted and censored
"You're also forgetting that they're public figures"
Their publicness opened them up to a level of examination or vitriol that private citizens are exempt from. They asked for it
Love and support towards a celebrity should be granted if they exhibit qualities deserving of positive regard. We are under no obligation to agree with your assessment of their value
Your dogged defense of and allegiance to celebrities verges on cultish behavior. Please consider stepping away and focusing on more meaningful pursuits
"Dating" and "marriage" are personal matters, they shouldn't make headlines
"Hot sex" scenes are the unnecessary commercials I fast-forward through, just pointless filler that doesn’t add anything to the story. If a movie or drama wants to keep my attention, it’d better focus on the parts that contribute to the story
If one were to remove the rose-tinted glasses of human ignorance, they'd find that there's no "love" between a male and a female, only a mirage concocted by humanity that's aimed at the propagation of our abominable species
My preferred alternative is to support the romantic pairing of Shin Young and Namkoong Min, two men, to challenge the dominant heteronormative discourse