Autumn Embers

If we are going to go on every aspect of drama writing then it's gonna take us days to finish this discussion lol, if we go in about mls now that will be another long thread 😂 so yeah, my comment was specifically for fls at the moment. Since I've already seen that people really hate that ml trope anyway, the bad guy at first, changes after meeting fl and falling in love.
Well in that trope there is that fantasy behind it you know the one. "I can change him" . Which was extremely popular at one time. But now people hate it usually, because they realize the reality is not like that.
You see even in dramas it's not the story like fl really needed to be saved by ml etc but you will end up still seeing cliche scenes like these, tripping and being saved blah blah it's overused. I cringe at times, the fl always with her eyes popping out when it happens ml swallowing saliva because he's nervous, even when the other aspects of dramas are fine, but you sometimes still end up finding scenes like these.
The fl just has to get weirdly shock at something and just fall back. I have been shocked . I've never just fell back throwing everything I had in my hand in the air anyway.
But I know it's a drama and you're always gonna find such scenes , they are like some romantic stuff

What you said about villain being interesting.
Yes I agree villains are interesting... My point was. First thing I need you to know that i am not talking about Villains, no.
When writers make bad fls into actual heroines, even though they act like villains but they tend to be heroines meaning good person, even though they do crimes but somehow the narrative changes and they are actually good, they get forgiveness everyone accepts them it's happy romantic ending for them.
I can understand where villain might be the main character and that can be interesting. But they are still villains. Cool Evil Villain I actually like.
But I can't understand when they make them somehow into good people. It's almost as if they are gaslighting the audience. Like somehow every evil deed they did, was not really that, or they were not actually the ones doing it, they either justify it somehow and sometimes they don't even address it that there was some serious problems there, oh must be the wind.
And safe to say that if this isn't what you like. Especially since it's also exaggerated comic effect, and there nothing else that you might have here to just stay and watch this drama, it's better to dropped it sooner than later.
I usually watch dramas if there is something I wish to see even if a character may annoy me too much, so it depends. If you have nothing in this drama that you like, yes don't watch it any further.

Well of course writers end up doing this.You see even when they make an fl that is on the bad side, they don't do that moderately either. But people are quick to defend the bad fls as far as I see. Even if that fl is doing literal crimes, people are like hey don't judge her, so I am like, why people are judging this kind of fl if they don't wanna judge that kind of fl. Just stop judging anyone if you don't want people to judge a certain kind of fl. You see I actually am the kind of person who mostly always would have some things I don't agree with writers in a lot of dramas so I get your point. But I see double standards. You write a criminal fl and people would actually rejoice and defend her no matter what she does, so why hate this kind. People literally hating her for looking old even now that is literally rude. sheesh

I started watching this cause I know the fl from The Tunnel. She was so different there.
And of course L, for someone who used to listen to kpop during 2nd generation.
I didn't even see much of what was the drama was about. Just dive right into it.
Yes it's different. It's very comical, it's very obvious it's exaggerated comedy. If you don't like such genre then don't watch.
It's probably gonna change maybe after half of the drama. It may become serious later.
But I actually enjoyed.
Seeing how much people were hating in the comments? Maybe people just like dark and heavy stuff these days with a dark ml and a bad fl.
I actually liked it.
After 2nd episode I enjoyed it more.
I do wonder how and what is gonna happen in the story since it's a 16 episode drama. I hope it stays good till the end.

Why so much hate for the fl ?
I see people defending fls with low morals saying oh you don't even know her, she has her story, stop judging her it's just the start of the drama, there will be character development, they give so much space to her.
How about do the same for this one ? it's just the start, stop judging her, she will go through character development so stop hating her just like that.
She's supposed to be like this in the start so she can go through change till the end.
How about give this fl also some space as much people give some fl with low morals.

I know Seonjae is the guy, he's cute, amazing and just perfect.
But still I can't help fall for Taesung. Whenever he comes on screen, I fall a bit deeper everytime.

She is the one that got away.
It's like an unfinished business for him now, he can't rest until he finishes it. Or someone finishes him.... please just someone kill him soon, he is getting sooo annoying

Just loved that scene with Seonjae and Taesung, They were literally just so cute together especially waking up in the morning lol.
Along with Inhyuk. The best trio, Hope to see them more together.

Gotta say there were times watching the drama and the way fl would end up trying to save ml, I'd be like nooo not that way😂 I mean I can't blame her she is trying her best but it'd be like that, but finally I am at peace... At least now ml understands, and he's like, just stop, we're in this together now. I know it won't stay peaceful but at least I am in peace that now he finally knows....some things...

Missing this drama again, it's a bit rare for me to actually end up really loving the characters of both ml and fl, because one of them ends up annoying me lol, but this drama is one of the exceptions, I loved both the main leads, both were just perfect.

Well kinda like a bittersweet end, yes sad but not entirely, and it doesn't really effect the whole drama because it's just the last scene, so you will enjoy the drama very much if you wanna watch

Not connected, it's a complete story in the drama, no need to watch anything else.

Yeah, seeing that cheating wife face again really destroyed my mood.

yes

I get it them conning the cheating guy and that abusive guy, most probably they saw them so they used this weakness against them. And them both being bad people deserved being conned anyway.
But if she is thinking of actually manipulating a young girl who is already very much suffering because of her family that she should not even exist, such a vulnerable heart. Well that's for me is Crossing the limits, that is just vile and cruel and really evil.
Already using a guy who is depressed because of his wife passing but then targeting the young child is a big no.
Even if they think the family made a fortune doing some shady things but a little girl in the family would have nothing to do with that, so that would be too much now.
Unless she realizes how bad her actions are and make amends, I can't just like her.
I can understand they showing dramas with flawed main leads as opposed to too good cheerful kind hearted ones, but not this level of flaws where they do crimes.
Her drugging her tea... false accusations and now targeting and thinking of using the young girl of the family.

Even in the drama why they portrayed it as him willingly, sneakily cheating on his wife. Not once anyone acknowledges, not even her sister who actually took advantage of him, rather she also would be talking rudely with him. It's like they are saying it was mutual that they were both interested in each other.
If the sis did this while being sober, most likely she had her eyes on him at some point, but they showed it like they both did were equally guilty, when it was mainly the sis. Fl even takes her back in. Laughing and smiling with her .

The dragon says tianhe's gonna live a hundred years so we see ziying and mengli visiting tianhe after hundred years, we see tianhe wearing that bracelet with only one one bead shining means he is near his last moments, so he dies there and then so lingsha comes to take his soul away .
Before that they married and Lingsga being cursed died young. which was really sad and heartbreaking, I wanted a happy ending for them while alive 🥲 but oh well they are happy after death . It hurts nonetheless

No, these are few different dramas with the same name but every drama has a different plot. I have only watched 4 and 6. They are totally unrelated to each other.

The drama started off good but I feel it wasn't as engaging after 20 something episodes, the final fight was good after that, and well I was hoping to see more romantic moments between the main leads but there weren't much to satisfy my craving, there were more romance between other pairings, so kinda disappointed about that. Both main leads are cute.

Yeah I liked the fact that SAF 4 was interesting throughout, watched it till the end without feeling bored, and it never felt like it dragged. And most importantly Yun Tianhe was way too cute and adorable 😍

I have just started SAF6. Let's see how it's goes.