Something kept bothering me so I have read again your comment and although it seemed harsh and biased I realized…
With your final phrase: "Clearly, we have nothing in common." you told me everything. Perhaps the most coherent thing would have been to simply not respond.
You have clearly overestimated the concept of "freedom of expression." Freedom of expression like freedom of action,…
As a public figure, Kim Soo Hyun is inevitably exposed to public analysis and debate about the controversy. And as long as it's done respectfully, you're not crossing the line of freedom of expression. Questioning isn't attacking, and doubting isn't hating.
"The truth is, this already seems more like a war with two sides."That is the fundamental nature of any conflict.…
We're off on the wrong foot if we dismiss an observation just because it's not "significant." I didn't mean this as if it were some great discovery, but to describe the divided atmosphere that has developed.
It's like someone commenting that the weather is nice and you responding that it's not significant. Technically, that may be true, but it's unnecessary. If the goal is to find objections to everything from the first line, it honestly doesn't generate much desire to continue reading.
I'm not trying to be defensive; I'm simply pointing out that the way you begin, and the fact that you begin refuting every sentence I write, already gives you an idea of where your arguments will go.
The truth is, this already seems more like a war with two sides.
The worst part is that every time I pass through these parts, I feel the moral superiority that the KSH fans have on this whole issue, as if they were attacking with "the truth" and the law on their side.
And then they come with speeches about how "haters" should think about the family, about the presumption of innocence... The truth is, I don't think most people hate KSH. What many reject is the murkiness of the situation, the eagerness and obsession of the fans to want him to be innocent at all costs, and to believe only in KSH's version of the events.
Although I must admit that now everything is quite tangled up.
Regardless of everything, KSH already has a stain. Maybe some don't care; others don't even see it. Some will say it doesn't even exist. But there are those who do see it, and it does matter to them.
I don't hate KSH. In fact, I wouldn't have even voiced an opinion on this controversy if it weren't for the murkiness of the case and the blind and obsessive support of his fans (which gets even worse when they claim they're not even fans). That's what made me weigh in again.
And the so-called "haters," or whatever they want to call them... yes, they think about a family. But that of KSR.
Yes, there is a presumption of innocence: the accused is innocent until proven guilty. But that doesn't mean we should automatically assume he's telling the truth, or that the KSR family is lying. There is also freedom of expression. And if someone tells me something like: "If you don't have proof, then you're judging without foundation. That's also harmful," First of all: I'm not stating his guilt. I'm just pointing out that there are elements that raise reasonable doubts. The presumption of innocence doesn't mean we should suppress critical thinking or ethical debate.
The sister died; she had the accident while crossing the street. And it happened because the mother didn't have…
I saw it recently, and for me it went like this: She returned to her boyfriend alive. But she lost her friend's friendship (for not going on the date), and her boyfriend's sister died (in the accident). She realized this because she asked about her boyfriend's sister's cafe, and her friend's boyfriend told her she died. Then she went back in time, had her boyfriend have dinner with his mother, went on the date with her friend, and saved her boyfriend's sister. She came back, and her boyfriend was dead.
one of the few time travel series that actually isnt bad, the time travel aspect actually stayed the same throughout…
The sister died; she had the accident while crossing the street. And it happened because the mother didn't have dinner with her to have dinner with her son.
Admin's message to people who are using KSH's profile pictures:"I don't see anything wrong with it or anything…
If My Way cares so much about Kim Soo Hyun's photo being used mockingly or whatever, and also wants KSH's page to be cleaned up so badly (plus the person in question gave him flowers), it's now clear to me that My Way is a fan of him.
I request the cancellation of KSH. It may sound like a horrible request, a cycle of feeding hatred. I don't like that, and that's why I always avoid commenting on controversies. But the whole situation is too suspicious to say that there is nothing strange. I always believe that where there's smoke, there's fire. I love the ideology of Karma, but that doesn't mean it will be fulfilled. Real life is not a K-drama. And when you have power and connections, it's very easy to sweep things under the rug. So I request the closest thing to justice, which is cancellation. South Korea is a country that has canceled many artists for lesser things, perhaps unjustly or perhaps not. But it has done so.
Why is this case different? Because of the power, when not-so-well-known artists would have found themselves in this situation, they would already be blacklisted everywhere.
Yes, that's horrible and it should change. But it's asking millions of people to stop considering famous people as perfect, and therefore be disappointed when they do bad things. Or worse, worshiping them as if they were gods and are completely innocent because they couldn't do such a thing. Nevertheless, they are human and therefore can be both bad and good.
Hatred should not blind, but love shouldn't either. Writing hurtful words hurts by letting you know your point of view, to make your indignation clear. But know that defending things you don't even know, about people you don't even know personally, blindly, and giving love, support, and saying everything is fine, the other is wrong, that they are innocent. It's an unconscious attitude.
But well, in these times when people are behind a screen, it's easier to opine without knowing. I don't know if I'll comment again, I think I want to go back to what I wanted to be when I found out all this turmoil. Neutral.
Because to be truly neutral is to not comment, to make no opinion.
That doesn't mean I'll forget. I hope you take care of your mental health, those who express indignation, those who support Kim Soo Hyun as well, because most of them live in a fantasy world.
Why did KSH use makeup at the press conference? It only serves to affirm that KSH only cares about his image as a star. If not, why not show up barefaced, so that we can see how the consequences of this situation are affecting his face? Maybe dark circles from the long sleepless nights, from the nightmares of this? I see him sleeping like a baby. Please, why didn't anyone tell him he wasn't filming a K-drama? Ah, I know. He didn't want to further damage his image as a star. That's why he brought a script, to follow the script. Because of course it was a monologue, he can't forget a paragraph or a fact he should tell. And not allowing questions at the press conference is not suspicious at all. It's like opening the door to your house and saying you have nothing to hide but not inviting them in. Protecting his star status makes him lie, contradict himself over and over again, a coward, a person who only wants to maintain fame, money and power. And he says he would do it again. He has top-notch lawyers, money, power, connections. He thinks he's going to get out of this, that he's going to continue being a star. I hope he becomes a shooting star.
International Kim Soohyun fans furious at Dispatch allegedly omitting Kim Soohyun's 7 billion won donation to…
But, anyway, what does it matter if KSH donated or did not donate to good causes? It has no relation to the situation he is involved in. The fans and their logic. Donating money in a certain place does not automatically make you a good person.
How I hate that he referred to her as "the deceased" - is it so difficult to say her name? He wanted to draw a line and make it clear "as I have nothing to do with her death".
You knew her, you went out with her. (Because he couldn't help but admit that)
Let's assume his tears were genuine, but he was clearly not distressed by her death. It's because of his own situation. What's happening to him. (He says others are harmed, as if he's concerned about those other people) But he is the one who is most harmed. He cares about his financial situation, his status as a "star". He doesn't care about the others. And he cares even less about the victim. He doesn't care about the victim's family. (And what they are asking for after all this) Rather, he detests her because she has brought him to this point. If not, why the lawsuit? (To scare them?) He doesn't have a shred of compassion.
Is there any article that says the family has benefited from this? For now, I see a family asking for justice.
The family asks for an apology and Kim Soo Hyun says he "would do it again" Kim Soo Hyun's fans say we should be concerned about his mental health. Okay, but no one is worried about the family after accusing them with a lot of money. I would be concerned about someone of low resources. Not someone who earns who knows how many millions of won per episode, for the highest paid actor. For someone who has power and surely homes, stocks and a lot of money in his assets. Well, okay, money doesn't buy happiness. But it also doesn't help that he says he would do it again. It may sound cruel, but why should I feel sorry for someone who doesn't regret it? If he's going to make the same decision and knows it leads him to that point, do I have to feel pity?
If he still maintains that he has nothing to do with her death, he couldn't even say he felt remorseful that things ended this way, apologize to the family for not being there for her in her difficult times, for the lies of his agency that harmed her. To be a little more empathetic? Ah no, of course, he cares more about protecting "the star".
Perhaps all this time Kim Soo Hyun, his real birthday is February 29, 1988 (it was a leap year) Therefore, he has his birthday every 4 years and therefore he is only 9 years old. Kim Sae Ron is the one who took advantage of a minor. In addition, Kim Sae Ron did not die on his birthday. There, Kim Soo Hyun is innocent and Kim Sae Ron is guilty. Case closed.
If Kim Soo Hyun didn't want to be asked questions, he could have recorded a video. I suppose people had to see his crocodile tears live and direct.
This case brings out the worst in me, I feel nauseous about how murky this whole situation is. (Because no one can get it out of my head that this is way too murky) On another occasion I would refrain from giving an opinion, but with this one I simply can't. I check for updates every so often, and unable to believe it, I get more and more outraged. This abuse of power disgusts me, where there's smoke there's fire. And the very cowardly Kim Soo Hyun who took a long time to face, first preferred to create another fire to divert attention. For this and other reasons, I can't help but wish for the cancellation of this guy. For the destruction of that murky agency and the desire for justice for anyone whose life has been ruined by crossing paths with both GM and Kim Soo Hyun. (Well, and anyone involved in their shady business dealings like that YouTuber who makes defamatory content that promotes hate and harassment)
Seems like their main goal is to prove that KSH is not the reason she k*ll*d herself and that her doing it on…
365 days, and she just decides to die on his birthday. Yeah, right... a coincidence. I'm sure she thought and remembered a lot before making the decision to end her life. It's normal. You decide to end your life because your bad thoughts outweigh all the good ones. She knew what day it was, and she still chose it.
Truly seeing this makes me happy that I'm not a fan of anyone. Of course I have favorite actors and actresses, and I would feel sad if I found out about a situation like this. But the blind faith that some fans act with already borders on insanity. (I'm really glad I'm not a "fan") They only believe one side without looking at the other. I like to be as neutral as possible in everything, to see both sides and not lean towards one. Although I am more inclined with one side because let's face it, there are murky and strange things on that side of the whole affair.
If I'm told and I believe that the debt was actually paid off and Kim Sae Ron didn't have to pay anything, but they still send her the notice as "acting". Couldn't they have been clearer with her? Or were they, and the cancellation and public repudiation was the trigger?
In any case, it makes sense that money is not relevant to a company that has more income.
If I believe they were actually dating from the age of 19. The military service letter thing bothers me, and even more so if they say the photos are from before. (For various reasons like moles and such) It seems too perfect that it started as soon as he was of legal age.
There it seems they want to hide that someone likes minors.
Kim Soo Hyun didn't even send a flower to his funeral. That he didn't give the minimum respect to his death. I'm not saying he should go, but not even a wreath of flowers, if you dated someone, you know them, isn't that the least you can do? (Even if it's a secret) And maybe the company prevented him or whatever, because of the repeated denials that they were dating, that would be a measure of not making a fire. They acted like a company in denying the relationship, even though that sounds the coldest, it would be like a "correct" measure.
But even though it was his birthday, neither was it acting like it was the "best day". That borders on the psychotic, were they on such bad terms? It's despicable regardless.
In the end, it is most likely that Kim Sae Ron was depressed because she could no longer be an actress, because of the repudiation and harassment of the people, and that's why she decided (ignoring the debt issue) She had lost her oppa, her first love, and he ignored her. (Maybe she wanted him to help her reintegrate into the working life as an actress so she could also pay the "debt") Then she chose death on her birthday so that he would remember her or that day she was thinking a lot about him and felt too sad. (We'll never know) It doesn't seem like she threatened Kim Sae Joon at any point because otherwise those messages would have appeared. It seemed more like a pure love, dependent in some way on being her first love. But that doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't have dated minors. If you liked her that's fine, the heart commands, but as an adult stop and don't cross the line. Keep it platonic.
I feel the girl grew up too fast, maybe fueled by being a very young actress and even worse having a "relationship" with an adult.
She flew too high only to fall and couldn't handle the fall, the one who was flying with her kept flying without worrying about how she was...
Given how Korean society is, I want the cancellation. Honestly, other Korean actors and actresses have been canceled for less, why should he be immune? Because he's famous, "handsome" (I really never saw the handsome but to each his own) or has a lot of money. That's worse, because he has the faculties to get out of this situation unscathed as if he did nothing wrong and nothing is questionable, like several actors who have done worse things.
Perhaps the most coherent thing would have been to simply not respond.
I didn’t intend to give an ethics lecture or speak from a legal or professional standpoint. I simply shared a personal reflection.
I didn’t affirm guilt, deny rights, or speak with absolute truths. I just expressed my discomfort regarding how this matter is unfolding.
In a public space, it is also valid to express these kinds of feelings and concerns.
It's like someone commenting that the weather is nice and you responding that it's not significant. Technically, that may be true, but it's unnecessary. If the goal is to find objections to everything from the first line, it honestly doesn't generate much desire to continue reading.
I'm not trying to be defensive; I'm simply pointing out that the way you begin, and the fact that you begin refuting every sentence I write, already gives you an idea of where your arguments will go.
The worst part is that every time I pass through these parts, I feel the moral superiority that the KSH fans have on this whole issue, as if they were attacking with "the truth" and the law on their side.
And then they come with speeches about how "haters" should think about the family, about the presumption of innocence... The truth is, I don't think most people hate KSH. What many reject is the murkiness of the situation, the eagerness and obsession of the fans to want him to be innocent at all costs, and to believe only in KSH's version of the events.
Although I must admit that now everything is quite tangled up.
Regardless of everything, KSH already has a stain. Maybe some don't care; others don't even see it. Some will say it doesn't even exist. But there are those who do see it, and it does matter to them.
I don't hate KSH. In fact, I wouldn't have even voiced an opinion on this controversy if it weren't for the murkiness of the case and the blind and obsessive support of his fans (which gets even worse when they claim they're not even fans). That's what made me weigh in again.
And the so-called "haters," or whatever they want to call them... yes, they think about a family. But that of KSR.
Yes, there is a presumption of innocence: the accused is innocent until proven guilty.
But that doesn't mean we should automatically assume he's telling the truth, or that the KSR family is lying.
There is also freedom of expression. And if someone tells me something like: "If you don't have proof, then you're judging without foundation. That's also harmful,"
First of all: I'm not stating his guilt. I'm just pointing out that there are elements that raise reasonable doubts.
The presumption of innocence doesn't mean we should suppress critical thinking or ethical debate.
Then she went back in time, had her boyfriend have dinner with his mother, went on the date with her friend, and saved her boyfriend's sister. She came back, and her boyfriend was dead.
Why is this case different? Because of the power, when not-so-well-known artists would have found themselves in this situation, they would already be blacklisted everywhere.
Yes, that's horrible and it should change. But it's asking millions of people to stop considering famous people as perfect, and therefore be disappointed when they do bad things. Or worse, worshiping them as if they were gods and are completely innocent because they couldn't do such a thing. Nevertheless, they are human and therefore can be both bad and good.
Hatred should not blind, but love shouldn't either. Writing hurtful words hurts by letting you know your point of view, to make your indignation clear. But know that defending things you don't even know, about people you don't even know personally, blindly, and giving love, support, and saying everything is fine, the other is wrong, that they are innocent. It's an unconscious attitude.
But well, in these times when people are behind a screen, it's easier to opine without knowing. I don't know if I'll comment again, I think I want to go back to what I wanted to be when I found out all this turmoil. Neutral.
Because to be truly neutral is to not comment, to make no opinion.
That doesn't mean I'll forget. I hope you take care of your mental health, those who express indignation, those who support Kim Soo Hyun as well, because most of them live in a fantasy world.
Justice for Kim Sae Ron!
I see him sleeping like a baby.
Please, why didn't anyone tell him he wasn't filming a K-drama?
Ah, I know. He didn't want to further damage his image as a star.
That's why he brought a script, to follow the script. Because of course it was a monologue, he can't forget a paragraph or a fact he should tell. And not allowing questions at the press conference is not suspicious at all. It's like opening the door to your house and saying you have nothing to hide but not inviting them in.
Protecting his star status makes him lie, contradict himself over and over again, a coward, a person who only wants to maintain fame, money and power. And he says he would do it again. He has top-notch lawyers, money, power, connections. He thinks he's going to get out of this, that he's going to continue being a star. I hope he becomes a shooting star.
The fans and their logic. Donating money in a certain place does not automatically make you a good person.
You knew her, you went out with her. (Because he couldn't help but admit that)
Let's assume his tears were genuine, but he was clearly not distressed by her death. It's because of his own situation. What's happening to him. (He says others are harmed, as if he's concerned about those other people) But he is the one who is most harmed. He cares about his financial situation, his status as a "star". He doesn't care about the others. And he cares even less about the victim. He doesn't care about the victim's family. (And what they are asking for after all this) Rather, he detests her because she has brought him to this point. If not, why the lawsuit? (To scare them?) He doesn't have a shred of compassion.
Is there any article that says the family has benefited from this? For now, I see a family asking for justice.
The family asks for an apology and Kim Soo Hyun says he "would do it again"
Kim Soo Hyun's fans say we should be concerned about his mental health. Okay, but no one is worried about the family after accusing them with a lot of money. I would be concerned about someone of low resources. Not someone who earns who knows how many millions of won per episode, for the highest paid actor. For someone who has power and surely homes, stocks and a lot of money in his assets. Well, okay, money doesn't buy happiness. But it also doesn't help that he says he would do it again. It may sound cruel, but why should I feel sorry for someone who doesn't regret it? If he's going to make the same decision and knows it leads him to that point, do I have to feel pity?
If he still maintains that he has nothing to do with her death, he couldn't even say he felt remorseful that things ended this way, apologize to the family for not being there for her in her difficult times, for the lies of his agency that harmed her. To be a little more empathetic? Ah no, of course, he cares more about protecting "the star".
I thoroughly investigated to find the truth about
his birthday :v
It's sarcasm, just in case :v
This case brings out the worst in me, I feel nauseous about how murky this whole situation is. (Because no one can get it out of my head that this is way too murky) On another occasion I would refrain from giving an opinion, but with this one I simply can't. I check for updates every so often, and unable to believe it, I get more and more outraged. This abuse of power disgusts me, where there's smoke there's fire. And the very cowardly Kim Soo Hyun who took a long time to face, first preferred to create another fire to divert attention. For this and other reasons, I can't help but wish for the cancellation of this guy. For the destruction of that murky agency and the desire for justice for anyone whose life has been ruined by crossing paths with both GM and Kim Soo Hyun.
(Well, and anyone involved in their shady business dealings like that YouTuber who makes defamatory content that promotes hate and harassment)
I'm sure she thought and remembered a lot before making the decision to end her life. It's normal. You decide to end your life because your bad thoughts outweigh all the good ones.
She knew what day it was, and she still chose it.
If I'm told and I believe that the debt was actually paid off and Kim Sae Ron didn't have to pay anything, but they still send her the notice as "acting". Couldn't they have been clearer with her? Or were they, and the cancellation and public repudiation was the trigger?
In any case, it makes sense that money is not relevant to a company that has more income.
If I believe they were actually dating from the age of 19. The military service letter thing bothers me, and even more so if they say the photos are from before. (For various reasons like moles and such) It seems too perfect that it started as soon as he was of legal age.
There it seems they want to hide that someone likes minors.
Kim Soo Hyun didn't even send a flower to his funeral. That he didn't give the minimum respect to his death. I'm not saying he should go, but not even a wreath of flowers, if you dated someone, you know them, isn't that the least you can do? (Even if it's a secret) And maybe the company prevented him or whatever, because of the repeated denials that they were dating, that would be a measure of not making a fire. They acted like a company in denying the relationship, even though that sounds the coldest, it would be like a "correct" measure.
But even though it was his birthday, neither was it acting like it was the "best day". That borders on the psychotic, were they on such bad terms? It's despicable regardless.
In the end, it is most likely that Kim Sae Ron was depressed because she could no longer be an actress, because of the repudiation and harassment of the people, and that's why she decided (ignoring the debt issue) She had lost her oppa, her first love, and he ignored her. (Maybe she wanted him to help her reintegrate into the working life as an actress so she could also pay the "debt") Then she chose death on her birthday so that he would remember her or that day she was thinking a lot about him and felt too sad. (We'll never know) It doesn't seem like she threatened Kim Sae Joon at any point because otherwise those messages would have appeared. It seemed more like a pure love, dependent in some way on being her first love. But that doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't have dated minors. If you liked her that's fine, the heart commands, but as an adult stop and don't cross the line. Keep it platonic.
I feel the girl grew up too fast, maybe fueled by being a very young actress and even worse having a "relationship" with an adult.
She flew too high only to fall and couldn't handle the fall, the one who was flying with her kept flying without worrying about how she was...
Given how Korean society is, I want the cancellation. Honestly, other Korean actors and actresses have been canceled for less, why should he be immune? Because he's famous, "handsome" (I really never saw the handsome but to each his own) or has a lot of money. That's worse, because he has the faculties to get out of this situation unscathed as if he did nothing wrong and nothing is questionable, like several actors who have done worse things.