I am in favor of GMMTV releasing the rough cut/director's cut of this series after it airs.
Because there were simply many informative and important scenes removed in the cut that would have explained the story and background of the characters even better.
We know that these scenes were shot or cut out not only from backstage footage or the trailer, but we also see it partially in the series itself.
For example, in the big flashback in episode 11, we see that the scene in episode 6 between Kawi and Pisaeng in Max's café was even longer and much more intense. Also, in the same episode, the bus scene was shortened and the informative flashback between Kawi and his father was cut out (the fact that this flashback was seen in the Thai VOD version was probably unintentional, because in all other versions the scene was already missing).
Kawi looks like he is suffering when he's supposed to be in love. They don't have enough chemistry to be a couple
My question to you is, what is your definition of chemistry in a relationship and how a couple should interact each other? What is your opinion? Is there a certain formula for you in this case?
I'm really interested in your view. Because you seem to have a concrete idea about it.
Because it's always interesting to read and see how people define relationships.
This is not true for all viewers and commenters: with some BL viewers, I get the feeling that they have never seen a real relationship in real life and have a very romanticized and unreal image of relationships, coupled with superficialities and of how a couple should look and interact with each other.
I always found this very amusing in the comments on Hidden Agenda, how they always just focus on Joong's pretty looks and therefore Jock and Zo are a cute and perfect couple, which is a very superficial way of thinking that is rarely looked at more deeply.
After all, just because someone doesn't fall into your arms like in a fairy tale doesn't mean that the person doesn't feel anything for you and the chemistry isn't right, there are many ways to express love. And in the same way, just because two people look cute and good together doesn't mean they are a perfect couple.
THANK YOU!!! I couldn't agree with you more LOL - I appreciate you saying this even though we may come under attack…
My question to you is, what is your definition of chemistry in a relationship and how a couple should interact each other? What is your opinion? Is there a certain formula for you in this case?
I'm really interested in your view. Because you seem to have a concrete idea about it.
Because it's always interesting to read and see how people define relationships.
This is not true for all viewers and commenters: with some BL viewers, I get the feeling that they have never seen a real relationship in real life and have a very romanticized and unreal image of relationships, coupled with superficialities and of how a couple should look and interact with each other.
I always found this very amusing in the comments on Hidden Agenda, how they always just focus on Joong's pretty looks and therefore Jock and Zo are a cute and perfect couple, which is a very superficial way of thinking that is rarely looked at more deeply.
After all, just because someone doesn't fall into your arms like in a fairy tale doesn't mean that the person doesn't feel anything for you and the chemistry isn't right, there are many ways to express love. And in the same way, just because two people look cute and good together doesn't mean they are a perfect couple.
Just like in one of the flashbacks where the uncle appeared before Pisaeng. Pisaeng didn’t need the uncle’s…
You have not fully understood the logic of time travel in this series.
1. Kawi is not dead in the future, but he is seriously ill with respiratory disease.
2. Pisaeng didn't activate the snow globe for himself until episode 10, and his reset point was set with it (the year 2016, for Kawi the reset point is November 2015 when he first used the snow globe when he bought it. Before that the snow globe does not work, you have to rotate the snow globe first and only then it is activated and the reset point is set.
3. Kawi and Pisaeng, because they both activated the snow globe, can travel independently with the snow globe between the past and present, both also come out at completely different times.
I don't know but the globe actually being able to work for Piseang this time and not the first time he tried it,…
You have not fully understood the logic of time travel in this series.
1. Kawi is not dead in the future, but he is seriously ill with respiratory disease.
2. Pisaeng didn't activate the snow globe for himself until episode 10, and his reset point was set with it (the year 2016, for Kawi the reset point is November 2015 when he first used the snow globe when he bought it. Before that the snow globe does not work, you have to rotate the snow globe first and only then it is activated and the reset point is set.
3. Kawi and Pisaeng, because they both activated the snow globe, can travel independently with the snow globe between the past and present, both also come out at completely different times.
I thought the episode was perfectly written. And also showed us many important things. Life is not a fairy tale and anything can happen, even negative things, which the series impressively shows us. If you want a fairy tale, read the stories of the Brothers Grimm.
We are also shown how few rights same-sex partners still have in Thailand. Pisaeng, for example, is not allowed to make decisions regarding Kawi's treatment, but can only watch his condition deteriorate further.
I was hoping to see 'Cooking Crush' this summer, but they're in the middle of filming and I can only guess that…
The duration of post-production varies from project to project. In some cases, post-production can also start with a slight delay to the start of shooting, but that always depends on the production conditions and the shooting schedule (for telenovelas/soaps, it's not uncommon for post-production to happen simultaneously with shooting).
I can imagine that, for example, Be My Favorite took more time in post-production than other BL series from GMMTV because, for example, additional VFX effects had to be integrated into the picture for this series.
However, without knowing the exact shooting schedules of these series and what effects and sounds have to be added in post-production, I assume that post-production for 23.5 and Cooking Crush will be within normal limits and may even be able to start post-production shortly after shooting begins.
I'm not sure about 23.5, I think it will air in 2024.Also, The Interest is a movie and they will premiere it at…
You're right, The Interest is a movie that for some reason I mistakenly stored in my head as a miniseries like Enigma. Thanks for the info. I edited it.
23.5 could still come in late 2023. It's still 6 months until the end of the year, and a lot of slots have to be felt until then, and many announced series for 2023 have already aired or are about to air. And for 2024, yes, some new projects are already planned, where the first shooting will start gradually from Q4 2023. The straggler will definitely be Cherry Magic, as was the case with the series Be My Favorite this year.
Wednesday Club, Find Yourself, Faceless Love, Phro Thoe Khue Rak Raek, and Beauty Newbie look to me like typical series that will air on weekdays Monday through Thursday. The airing of these series could extend into 2024.
Of course, it could also be that unannounced licensed series like the current Wedding Plan will air, but they often take the later evening slots.
Last Twilight and 23.5 could theoretically also be swapped in terms of broadcast days, but that depends on which production finishes post-production first. Because first the broadcasting slot on Saturday becomes free, then the broadcasting slot on Friday follows. I think Last Twilight is further along with filming.
Interesting to see "Only Friends" take over the Saturday broadcast slot. Accordingly, the order of release for…
Adding to my comment about GMMTV's new series in Saison 2023/2024:
Above all, I would like to see less clichéd series (over-the-top romantic comedies), but series with a deep and detailed story and the courage to dare something new, so that we might get more BL thrillers, crime, drama and horror series again, which then also have a rounded narrative. I would also love to see standalone GL series that focus only on women.
Never Let Me Go, Moonlight Chicken, Be My Favorite were a good start, and Only Friends, Dangerous Romance, and Last Twilight seem to be continuing that, although there are still slip-ups like Hidden Agenda.
Cooking Crush also looks to be a series like Be My Favorite, where the pilot trailer is almost 100% different from the finished series, so I can't judge the series yet.
Interesting to see "Only Friends" take over the Saturday broadcast slot.
Accordingly, the order of release for GMMTV's next series could be as follows (speculation):
Friday: Be My Favorite → Dangerous Romance → 23.5
Saturday: Enigma → Only Friends → Last Twilight
Sunday: Hidden Agenda → Cooking Crush → untitled new series [Edit]
I assume that on weekdays Monday through Thursday, the following series will be released one by one:
Wednesday Club, Find Yourself, Faceless Love, Phro Thoe Khue Rak Raek, and Beauty Newbie.
In 2024, "Cherry Magic" could be one of the first BL series to launch.
I'm excited to see what new series GMMTV will announce at the end of the year.
Above all, I would like to see less clichéd series (over-the-top romantic comedies), but series with a deep and detailed story and the courage to dare something new, so that we might get more BL thrillers, crime, drama and horror series again, which then also have a rounded narrative. I would also love to see standalone GL series that focus only on women.
Never Let Me Go, Moonlight Chicken, Be My Favorite were a good start, and Only Friends, Dangerous Romance, and Last Twilight seem to be continuing that, although there are still slip-ups like Hidden Agenda.
Cooking Crush also looks to be a series like Be My Favorite, where the pilot trailer is almost 100% different from the finished series, so I can't judge the series yet.
Interesting to see "Only Friends" take over the Saturday broadcast slot.
Accordingly, the order of release for GMMTV's next series could be as follows (speculation):
Friday: Be My Favorite → Dangerous Romance → 23.5
Saturday: Enigma → Only Friends → Last Twilight
Sunday: Hidden Agenda → Cooking Crush → untitled new series [Edit]
I assume that on weekdays Monday through Thursday, the following series will be released one by one:
Wednesday Club, Find Yourself, Faceless Love, Phro Thoe Khue Rak Raek, and Beauty Newbie.
In 2024, "Cherry Magic" could be one of the first BL series to launch.
I'm excited to see what new series GMMTV will announce at the end of the year. And I hope we will see Krist and Gawin in a BL series again, and hopefully not in a clichéd romantic comedy, but in a BL thriller, drama or horror series.
Warning speculation, could contain spoilers, but with this series you never know what's coming next!
Looking at the preview for episode 11, I have a hunch that we're going to see a time jump, evident in part by the fact that Pisaeng is dressed in "work clothes" for an office-type job and works at home on the computer.
I have a hunch that Pisaeng will use the snow globe in the future/present and travel back in time to the point we saw in tonight's episode when he first used the snow globe in 2016.
Presumably, we will then also see a changed version of the events in the amusement park, because from pictures from the set it appears that more scenes were shot in this setting, including Pisaeng and Kawi on the merry-go-round, and also the actors have hinted that there was more.
i want to know what's the scene gawin said krist was genuinely scared. i though it would be the rollercoaster…
Maybe it is the scene you suspect after all, because it could be that Pisaeng travels back in time in the next episodes. Because there are pictures from this set that prove that many more scenes were shot in this setting. And that all of those scenes were not used, I don't think so.
[Ep 4] For all intents and purposes, it seems Kawi is fully heterosexual. Since this is a BL, he's obviously going…
I wouldn't worry so much if I were you. This series knows very well how to deal with the topic of sexuality and the way and the hurdles to get there, as I have never seen in a BL series from GMMTV, and is just great.
I wish you still a lot of fun watching the series.
I'm so excited about next episode, Pisaeng will go to the future? What's going to happen 🤔 will the next episode…
Pisaeng can't travel to the future because he didn't activate the globe until this episode. Pisaeng's "reset point" is the night he went to Kawi's apartment and pretended to have a big fight with his mother. Pisaeng will probably travel to the past and not the future in the next episodes.
Kawi's "reset point" is in November 2015. Pisaeng's "reset point" should be a few months later than sometime in 2016.
The plot twist, of course, would be if Pisaeng already activated the globe in episode 2 when he touched it, and the editing led us by the nose, and in this episode we see the look Pisaeng had when Kawi used the globe for the last time, and for Pisaeng only a few seconds have passed.
ohhh shit piseang is going to future . soooooo excited 😊 🤗 🤪
Pisaeng can't travel to the future because he didn't activate the globe until this episode. Pisaeng's "reset point" is the night he went to Kawi's apartment and pretended to have a big fight with his mother. Pisaeng will probably travel to the past and not the future in the next episodes.
Kawi's "reset point" is in November 2015. Pisaeng's "reset point" should be a few months later than sometime in 2016.
The plot twist, of course, would be if Pisaeng already activated the globe in episode 2 when he touched it, and the editing led us by the nose, and in this episode we see the look Pisaeng had when Kawi used the globe for the last time, and for Pisaeng only a few seconds have passed.
Is pisaeng really going to the future ?? I feel like he might go to the past when he used the music ball!! Remember…
Pisaeng can't travel to the future because he didn't activate the globe until this episode. Pisaeng's "reset point" is the night he went to Kawi's apartment and pretended to have a big fight with his mother. Pisaeng will probably travel to the past and not the future in the next episodes.
Kawi's "reset point" is in November 2015. Pisaeng's "reset point" should be a few months later than sometime in 2016.
The plot twist, of course, would be if Pisaeng already activated the globe in episode 2 when he touched it, and the editing led us by the nose, and in this episode we see the look Pisaeng had when Kawi used the globe for the last time, and for Pisaeng only a few seconds have passed.
Does anyone have any theories as to why Pisaeng didn't travel to the future when he turned the crystal ball in…
Pisaeng can't travel to the future because he didn't activate the globe until this episode. Pisaeng's "reset point" is the night he went to Kawi's apartment and pretended to have a big fight with his mother. Pisaeng will probably travel to the past and not the future in the next episodes.
Kawi's "reset point" is in November 2015. Pisaeng's "reset point" should be a few months later than sometime in 2016.
The plot twist, of course, would be if Pisaeng already activated the globe in episode 2 when he touched it, and the editing led us by the nose, and in this episode we see the look Pisaeng had when Kawi used the globe for the last time, and for Pisaeng only a few seconds have passed.
Unpopular opinion but I didnt like this episode. I expected P x K to have one full episode where they are just…
I see it differently, we had the important Pear episode today, which didn't cause any unnecessary drama as you claim, but showed us on the one hand the reason why Pear acts the way she does across all timelines, and on the other hand the episode shows Kawi's inner conflict with the knowledge of the other timelines and that he can't live in the here and now, but is always with his head in a possible future.
It would be silly and cliché if Kawi and Pisaeng would now walk through the world carefree and happy until the end of days. Besides, there are still many questions that need to be answered. And we are still lacking information about certain storylines, especially those that took place further in the past.
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Because there were simply many informative and important scenes removed in the cut that would have explained the story and background of the characters even better.
We know that these scenes were shot or cut out not only from backstage footage or the trailer, but we also see it partially in the series itself.
For example, in the big flashback in episode 11, we see that the scene in episode 6 between Kawi and Pisaeng in Max's café was even longer and much more intense. Also, in the same episode, the bus scene was shortened and the informative flashback between Kawi and his father was cut out (the fact that this flashback was seen in the Thai VOD version was probably unintentional, because in all other versions the scene was already missing).
I'm really interested in your view. Because you seem to have a concrete idea about it.
Because it's always interesting to read and see how people define relationships.
This is not true for all viewers and commenters: with some BL viewers, I get the feeling that they have never seen a real relationship in real life and have a very romanticized and unreal image of relationships, coupled with superficialities and of how a couple should look and interact with each other.
I always found this very amusing in the comments on Hidden Agenda, how they always just focus on Joong's pretty looks and therefore Jock and Zo are a cute and perfect couple, which is a very superficial way of thinking that is rarely looked at more deeply.
After all, just because someone doesn't fall into your arms like in a fairy tale doesn't mean that the person doesn't feel anything for you and the chemistry isn't right, there are many ways to express love. And in the same way, just because two people look cute and good together doesn't mean they are a perfect couple.
I'm really interested in your view. Because you seem to have a concrete idea about it.
Because it's always interesting to read and see how people define relationships.
This is not true for all viewers and commenters: with some BL viewers, I get the feeling that they have never seen a real relationship in real life and have a very romanticized and unreal image of relationships, coupled with superficialities and of how a couple should look and interact with each other.
I always found this very amusing in the comments on Hidden Agenda, how they always just focus on Joong's pretty looks and therefore Jock and Zo are a cute and perfect couple, which is a very superficial way of thinking that is rarely looked at more deeply.
After all, just because someone doesn't fall into your arms like in a fairy tale doesn't mean that the person doesn't feel anything for you and the chemistry isn't right, there are many ways to express love. And in the same way, just because two people look cute and good together doesn't mean they are a perfect couple.
1. Kawi is not dead in the future, but he is seriously ill with respiratory disease.
2. Pisaeng didn't activate the snow globe for himself until episode 10, and his reset point was set with it (the year 2016, for Kawi the reset point is November 2015 when he first used the snow globe when he bought it. Before that the snow globe does not work, you have to rotate the snow globe first and only then it is activated and the reset point is set.
3. Kawi and Pisaeng, because they both activated the snow globe, can travel independently with the snow globe between the past and present, both also come out at completely different times.
1. Kawi is not dead in the future, but he is seriously ill with respiratory disease.
2. Pisaeng didn't activate the snow globe for himself until episode 10, and his reset point was set with it (the year 2016, for Kawi the reset point is November 2015 when he first used the snow globe when he bought it. Before that the snow globe does not work, you have to rotate the snow globe first and only then it is activated and the reset point is set.
3. Kawi and Pisaeng, because they both activated the snow globe, can travel independently with the snow globe between the past and present, both also come out at completely different times.
I thought the episode was perfectly written. And also showed us many important things. Life is not a fairy tale and anything can happen, even negative things, which the series impressively shows us. If you want a fairy tale, read the stories of the Brothers Grimm.
We are also shown how few rights same-sex partners still have in Thailand. Pisaeng, for example, is not allowed to make decisions regarding Kawi's treatment, but can only watch his condition deteriorate further.
And don't worry, you will get your happy ending.
I can imagine that, for example, Be My Favorite took more time in post-production than other BL series from GMMTV because, for example, additional VFX effects had to be integrated into the picture for this series.
However, without knowing the exact shooting schedules of these series and what effects and sounds have to be added in post-production, I assume that post-production for 23.5 and Cooking Crush will be within normal limits and may even be able to start post-production shortly after shooting begins.
23.5 could still come in late 2023. It's still 6 months until the end of the year, and a lot of slots have to be felt until then, and many announced series for 2023 have already aired or are about to air. And for 2024, yes, some new projects are already planned, where the first shooting will start gradually from Q4 2023. The straggler will definitely be Cherry Magic, as was the case with the series Be My Favorite this year.
Wednesday Club, Find Yourself, Faceless Love, Phro Thoe Khue Rak Raek, and Beauty Newbie look to me like typical series that will air on weekdays Monday through Thursday. The airing of these series could extend into 2024.
Of course, it could also be that unannounced licensed series like the current Wedding Plan will air, but they often take the later evening slots.
Above all, I would like to see less clichéd series (over-the-top romantic comedies), but series with a deep and detailed story and the courage to dare something new, so that we might get more BL thrillers, crime, drama and horror series again, which then also have a rounded narrative. I would also love to see standalone GL series that focus only on women.
Never Let Me Go, Moonlight Chicken, Be My Favorite were a good start, and Only Friends, Dangerous Romance, and Last Twilight seem to be continuing that, although there are still slip-ups like Hidden Agenda.
Cooking Crush also looks to be a series like Be My Favorite, where the pilot trailer is almost 100% different from the finished series, so I can't judge the series yet.
Accordingly, the order of release for GMMTV's next series could be as follows (speculation):
Friday: Be My Favorite → Dangerous Romance → 23.5
Saturday: Enigma → Only Friends → Last Twilight
Sunday: Hidden Agenda → Cooking Crush → untitled new series [Edit]
I assume that on weekdays Monday through Thursday, the following series will be released one by one:
Wednesday Club, Find Yourself, Faceless Love, Phro Thoe Khue Rak Raek, and Beauty Newbie.
In 2024, "Cherry Magic" could be one of the first BL series to launch.
I'm excited to see what new series GMMTV will announce at the end of the year.
Above all, I would like to see less clichéd series (over-the-top romantic comedies), but series with a deep and detailed story and the courage to dare something new, so that we might get more BL thrillers, crime, drama and horror series again, which then also have a rounded narrative. I would also love to see standalone GL series that focus only on women.
Never Let Me Go, Moonlight Chicken, Be My Favorite were a good start, and Only Friends, Dangerous Romance, and Last Twilight seem to be continuing that, although there are still slip-ups like Hidden Agenda.
Cooking Crush also looks to be a series like Be My Favorite, where the pilot trailer is almost 100% different from the finished series, so I can't judge the series yet.
Accordingly, the order of release for GMMTV's next series could be as follows (speculation):
Friday: Be My Favorite → Dangerous Romance → 23.5
Saturday: Enigma → Only Friends → Last Twilight
Sunday: Hidden Agenda → Cooking Crush → untitled new series [Edit]
I assume that on weekdays Monday through Thursday, the following series will be released one by one:
Wednesday Club, Find Yourself, Faceless Love, Phro Thoe Khue Rak Raek, and Beauty Newbie.
In 2024, "Cherry Magic" could be one of the first BL series to launch.
I'm excited to see what new series GMMTV will announce at the end of the year. And I hope we will see Krist and Gawin in a BL series again, and hopefully not in a clichéd romantic comedy, but in a BL thriller, drama or horror series.
Looking at the preview for episode 11, I have a hunch that we're going to see a time jump, evident in part by the fact that Pisaeng is dressed in "work clothes" for an office-type job and works at home on the computer.
I have a hunch that Pisaeng will use the snow globe in the future/present and travel back in time to the point we saw in tonight's episode when he first used the snow globe in 2016.
Presumably, we will then also see a changed version of the events in the amusement park, because from pictures from the set it appears that more scenes were shot in this setting, including Pisaeng and Kawi on the merry-go-round, and also the actors have hinted that there was more.
I wish you still a lot of fun watching the series.
Kawi's "reset point" is in November 2015. Pisaeng's "reset point" should be a few months later than sometime in 2016.
The plot twist, of course, would be if Pisaeng already activated the globe in episode 2 when he touched it, and the editing led us by the nose, and in this episode we see the look Pisaeng had when Kawi used the globe for the last time, and for Pisaeng only a few seconds have passed.
Kawi's "reset point" is in November 2015. Pisaeng's "reset point" should be a few months later than sometime in 2016.
The plot twist, of course, would be if Pisaeng already activated the globe in episode 2 when he touched it, and the editing led us by the nose, and in this episode we see the look Pisaeng had when Kawi used the globe for the last time, and for Pisaeng only a few seconds have passed.
Kawi's "reset point" is in November 2015. Pisaeng's "reset point" should be a few months later than sometime in 2016.
The plot twist, of course, would be if Pisaeng already activated the globe in episode 2 when he touched it, and the editing led us by the nose, and in this episode we see the look Pisaeng had when Kawi used the globe for the last time, and for Pisaeng only a few seconds have passed.
Kawi's "reset point" is in November 2015. Pisaeng's "reset point" should be a few months later than sometime in 2016.
The plot twist, of course, would be if Pisaeng already activated the globe in episode 2 when he touched it, and the editing led us by the nose, and in this episode we see the look Pisaeng had when Kawi used the globe for the last time, and for Pisaeng only a few seconds have passed.
It would be silly and cliché if Kawi and Pisaeng would now walk through the world carefree and happy until the end of days. Besides, there are still many questions that need to be answered. And we are still lacking information about certain storylines, especially those that took place further in the past.