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I think I missed out something by the way. He was running away from his father since he realized what his father did, and maybe even didn't see Seojun as well, because he was overwhelmed with his feelings such as sadness, guilty (because of his father), and bereavement. He wasn't thinking, he wasn't seeing anything, he just wanted to get away from his father and everything. Then, maybe because Seojun catched him or maybe because his senses came back suddenly, Suho and Seojun realized the car at the same time, and they stopped, but I don't think that's because Suho was suicidal. Everybody could've stopped there because of the shock, there are a lot of scene like this in the dramas. When people saw a car coming directly to them, sometimes they can freeze and can't move. That would be a child, an old man, or anyone, and still could stop there because of the shock. Now, I am not saying I don't agree with the fact that Suho got traumatized because everybody could be traumatized by a sudden death of his friend, especially when that friend committed suicide. In my eyes, Seojun was traumatized as well, but that's not my point. The point is I don't understand why the people think he committed suicide. If he said something like that, please, tell me but as much as I remembered from the scene, he was running away, chased by Seojun, and they realized the car, froze because of the shock, and got hit by the car. Also, yes, how the director portrayed that scene was exaggerated, and he probably wanted people to laugh it. He could've portrayed it in a way people would feel sad about it. Whatever, I just wanted to say my opinion. Sorry.

I want to talk about the scene where Seojun looks at Jugyeong and Suho through the window. Everybody say how he seems lonely since Jugyeong is taking care of Suho, and I am sure there is that as well, but I think the most important reason he looks at them isn't related to Jugyeong, but related to Suho. Let's think about it. Seojun, Suho, and Seyeon were best-friends, and he cares about Suho a lot besides his anger towards him. The anger he reflected Suho mostly comes from the guilt he felt since he couldn't save Seyeon as well. He was also angry with himself till the point to ruin his life by not going school, stopping to be trainee, and hanging out some bad guys. Now, he was chasing after Suho when the accident happened, so I think Seojun is feeling guilt about it, and probably got afraid of losing Suho as well. The issue about Seyeon was about to settle, actually, if the song wasn't released by the company of Suho's dad. Suho helped Seojun's mother to get well, and Seojun gave Jugyeong relationship advices which is in favor of Suho although he loves her. The problem between wasn't Seyeon anymore, but mostly was Jugyeong now. However, Seojun actually backed off in that matter as well. Therefore, probably, he was looking at Suho, was sad and felt guilty about what happened.

He was a teenager who wanted to be an idol with his best friend; however, his best friend debuted before him and committed suicide after a scandal, so he couldn't handle it, he blamed the company and Suho, his other best friend for it. Especially, in drama, I believe one of the important reasons why he blamed Suho was that he couldn't handle the guilt which he felt because he thought he couldn't stay with or saved Seyeon, but he let him go to Suho. Since the next one Seyeon tried to reach was Suho, he blamed him; however, he also ruined his life because of his guilt and mourning. He stopped being trainee, stopped going to school for a while, and hung out with some problematic guys (in the drama. In webtoon, he was hanging out with some friends who dropped out of school). He didn't do that because he is a bad guy, but it was the way he was mourning and dealing with his friend's death. At least, this is what I saw as a psychologist. Everybody has different ways to deal with things.

On the other hand, he loves his mother so much; therefore, after sometime he returned to school. In the webtoon, Suho, Jugyeong, Seojun ve Sujin weren't in the same class. Actually, he met Jugyeong outside of the class, but he didn't know she is Jugyeong since she was bare-faced. However, through the webtoon, the writer gave impressions like he knew her bare face from some point, but didn’t talk about it although it is never told clearly, so we don’t know if he knew before they dated, but most of people believe he knew. He clearly talked to some friends about girls with make-up, saying “If a girl is pretty with makeup on, it doesn’t matter.” He even told that he would go out with someone who looks different without makeup. He knows how it would be hard not to be as beautiful as the society wants since his sister was in a similar situation.

Let’s return to the drama. He is rude to other people after Seyeon’s death, but he is kind, nice, and caring to his friends and family. Both in webtoon and drama, he comes from a poor family, so he has been working as part-timer to help his mother. He loves Jugyeong, but you can clearly see, he respects her feelings. When he was asked, he told he chose love over friendship, but he clearly told Jugyeong that “her friend’s friend should choose her friend.”. He also chose friendship over love in the webtoon and drama, although he said Suho "seeing how unhappy Jugyeong is makes him to steal her”, he actually never tried to steal her, just was there for her as a friend. He knew Jugyeong and Suho like each other and started to date, so he just backed off. He even stopped making comments about Seyeon’s death until the day Seyeon’s song was released by Suho’s father company. Even then, he tried to ask Suho “Did you hear that?” and ran after him to talk or fight him. We don’t know since they were in an accident.

He treated Suho badly, but in webtoon, he looked after him, took care of him in the hospital with Jugyeong even though he wasn’t hit by the car or even wasn’t there during the accident. For the drama, everybody talks about how he feels lonely while Jugyeong is with Suho; however, I think he isn’t looking at Jugyeong, but he is looking at Suho because he feels guilty about the accident. He cares Suho, and even though he loves Jugyeong, he said her that Suho wasn’t a guy that could do something to hurt her. He tried to give advices to Jugyeong, and even tried to talk to Suho about the fact that something is going on with Jugyeong since she seems unhappy, but Suho, justifiably, didn’t wanna listen to him since he felt Seojun was trying to meddle with their relationship. However, if we look at it by Seojun’s side, he put everything aside, including his feelings toward to Jugyeong, and his anger towards to Suho, and tried to help their relationship. Of course, it doesn’t mean he has the right to talk about their relationship, but everybody could do that for their friends when they see them struggling. When Suho didn’t listen to him, he got angry again, and said Suho “seeing how unhappy Jugyeong is makes him to steal her”, but I don’t think he was meaning it, it was just a warning to Suho like “She is unhappy and it’s hard to see.” Of course, I don’t approve how he put it in words, he didn’t have the right and shouldn’t say it. On the other hand, when I put myself in his shoes, I would feel in the same way if the boy I like wasn’t happy with his current girlfriend, and I could think “Why does he have to be unhappy, or why should I see it, I can make him happier.” Again, thinking this wouldn’t give me a right to say something like that or steal the boy I like. However, this is a humane thought.

In webtoon, he was the one who encouraging Suho to talk to her about his feeling before he left for Japan. He has loved both of them till the point to support their relationship. Since he waited for Suho to comeback and didn’t want to lose Jugyeong as a friend, he didn’t confess her for 2-3 years. After he realized Suho wouldn’t come back and Jugyeong could date somebody else; then, he wanted to confess.

Whatever, I don’t wanna talk about what happened in the webtoon after Suho left. I mentioned those things from webtoon because it’s related to how I see Seojun and how I have interpreted his actions. Those are what make him complex for me. I’m sure Suho is a more complex character for another person, and it’s okay. However, for me, Seojun is more complex, his life is not turning around Jugyeong, and his character development is more interesting for me. Again, it’s for me, not everyone should think the same way. It’s okay.

Like you said, it's about types. For example, Suho is not my type... Also, most of Seojun's fans came from the webtoon itself, so at least for me, he is the one who is more complex, interesting, and well-written. That doesn't mean Suho is bad, I love him as well, but I wouldn't prefer him at all.

Although she was a bad girl in the webtoon, I still didn't like the changes in Sujin's character. Creating misunderstanding purposely was sneaky. Moreover, she did it more than once. That's no-no for me. She can like whoever she wants, she could tell Jugyeong about her feelings if she wants, but she could've done that in a way like "I like Suho, but I know he likes you, so I just wanted to say this." Even this was acceptable for me.

There is a serious communication problem in Suho and Jugyeong's relationship. They were cute together, I have to accept that. My love for Seojun doesn't make me blind, of course. Although I wish Seojun and Jugyeong would be together as a Seojun fan, I really enjoyed the scenes between Suho and Jugyeong. However, one of them is too possessive and obsessive. Even though I can understand where it comes from, it's still problematic for me. The other one has low self-confidence; therefore, a girl like Sujin was more intimidating for her. I also can understand why she feels that way, but it doesn't change the fact that it's problematic as well. I hope they would solve these problems if they are gonna be together in the end.

I understand why Suho wants her to keep distance from Seojun although I don't approve how he puts it in words. He could always say "Seojun likes you, that's why I don't like how you are close to him." For Jugyeong, friends are as important as her boyfriend when we think how she was lonely in her former school. That's why the issue about Sujin is bothering her even more. Therefore, if you go and just say "Don't get close to Seojun.", since she thinks him as a friend, she would be angry. On the other hand, Jugyeong also would say "I know Sujin was at your house yesterday/today. Why didn't you tell me?"... I also really didn't understand why she didn't reject the rumors saying that "This is clearly from a photoshoot. I am dating with someone and I don't want him to misunderstand, so don't spread that rumor." I know they don't have to explain anything to anyone since that's their life, but at least, that would clear their suspicions. I am blaming Seojun in this matter as well. He also could've told, but he didn't. He didn't accept that he's the boyfriend, but he also didn't reject it clearly.

For Seojun, although there was some things I didn't approve, I was really proud of him in this episode. Although he kept saying "Break up", he knew that Jugyeong wouldn't do that. Every time after saying "break up", he just kept giving advice for their relationship or tried to comfort her like saying "Suho isn't a guy who would do that."... He just wanted to be a good friend and be there for her. Of course, he still has feelings for her, but we shouldn't base everything he did on his feelings. He doesn't want them to be apart, at least, he doesn't want to be the one who makes them apart. He even tried to give Suho advice or make him realize how insecure Jugyeong is feeling in his own way, especially at Jugyeong's house. He was trying to tell something was bothering Jugyeong, and Suho got angry. I am not saying he is not right about getting angry. I just wanna say he tried to tell him what's going on. However, when Suho cut him and didn't listen to him, he tried to get him come to his senses by saying he would want to steal her if Suho makes her unhappy. This is one of the scenes I wished he didn't put it in words like this. He could've said it in another way or would've said nothing. However, when I put myself in his shoes, I get how he feels. If I like a boy, and his girlfriend makes him unhappy, then I would ask myself "If he's gonna be unhappy, why wouldn't I try to make him happy?". I wouldn't wanna see him unhappy. That's what he meant, I think, in a wrong way, of course. However, at least, he tried to talk to him , I don't say he has any rights to say something about their relationship, and I understand why Suho didn't want to listen to him, but since Seojun knows both of them, he tried to talk to Suho in his own way. Even in the scene where he asked Jugyeong "Did you really break up?", you can see how sad he was, most probably, because he knew how much Jugyeong would get hurt if they broke up. Therefore, I was really proud of him.

One more thing... I really didn't like how they changed specific scenes in the webtoon. For example, I really didn't like how they changed the accident scene. Suho was the one who saved Jugyeong in the webtoon, and that was an important moment for them. Seojun was also at hospital and took care of Suho for a while. That scene was important because Seojun wasn't there because he felt guilt or anything, but he was there just because he cared Suho, and that was one of the reason why they made up. Now, he will probably feel responsible for the accident, feel guilt about it, and be there not just because he cared him, but because of that guilt as well. I just want them to make up as soon as possible, at least for the issue about Seyeon.

Yeah, me, too. He is not a bad boy at all. Like Suho, he lost a friend and couldn't deal with it. As a psychological perspective, he was angry with himself and blaming himself since he met Seyeon at that night and couldn't stop him or staying with him, and then Seyeon killed himself. However, he couldn't handle this anger and guilty, and unconsciously tried to find another person who he could reflect his anger, and that was his another friend Suho who couldn't get the call of Seyeon. He didn't think rationally, he is just a high school boy who lost a friend, couldn't handle it, and reflected his anger to somebody else. Before Seyeon, he wasn't a bad boy at all. If you think about it, you can see how he was ruining his life as well after Seyeon. He started to hang out that stupid gang, stopped being a trainee, etc. However, mostly because of his mother's illness, he just started to come to his senses... Then, he met Jugyeong, started to like her, and most importantly, he learned Suho helped his mother... You can clearly see how he changed after he learned his help and realized his feelings toward Jugyeong.

Firstly, I was really enjoying the changes in the Sujin's character, so I hope they won't make her a bad girl. Secondly, how Seojun was desperately trying to put a distance between Jugyeong and him shows that Seojun is not a bad boy, not trying to keep them apart anymore and also cares about who she likes. Moreover, from the preview of ep10, we can also see that he still cares about Suho as well.

The modelling scene was heartbreaking for me. Even though he knows she likes his ex-best friend, and didn't want to take photos together, in the end, he just tried to make it quick while bearing the pain of being close to her. Saying "I am a man, too" was a scene from the webtoon, slightly different, but it was like a warning to Jugyeong in both of drama and webtoon. I like how they didn't change the purpose of that. Helping her find a part-time job and running there just because he heard she got hurt make him so simple in a positive way. He loves her, but knows he isn't the one. Therefore, he is just trying to be there when she needed, but also trying not to get too close for the sake of all three of them. Now, it's not about his revenge, and that's good.

Ikr, love shouldn't mean that I have to love someone even when he didn't contact me for years. Some people can wait, of course, but not everyone has to. Even Seojun tried to contact with him, and didn't want to confess since he didn't want to lose both of them. I believe, if they won't change his character in this aspect, he wouldn't go after Jugyeong aggressively after learning who she likes. He wouldn't wanna lose both of them. However, that doesn't mean that they can't be together, everything is possible. There are some K-dramas in which the second male lead got the girl. And nobody can stop me from wishing this. :D

I agree with you, nicolejanine. I also don't know where she wavered when Suho returned? She was literally with Seojun, both Seojun and she wanted to tell Suho immediately that they were dating. Until the day when they broke up because of Seojun being idol and Jugyeong being insecure again, I can't remember any scene Jugyeong was interested in Suho as a man. He was her friend, if there was someone who wavered, that was Suho. Even after breaking up with Seojun, she didn't go to Suho right away, but tried to go to blind dates. When I read that comments that she wavered or she suddenly started to date with Seojun, I asked myself if I didn't understand webtoon at all or if we haven't read same thing. He went to Japan because of dad's horse accident, he cut ties with them, he didn't come back but went to MIT, and 2-3 years passed. Seojun was there for her and finally confessed. What's wrong with that? He realized that he didn't want to see her with someone else and tried to get the girl after 2-3 years. I don't understand why people talks like it was just 2-3 weeks or months and they didn't care Suho's feelings.

This is the last time I try to explain myself. Therefore, please, clear your mind and prejudice against my words, and listen carefully. I am not saying the writers of the drama is stealing from the writer of the webtoon. I am saying that they are giving (stealing) some of Seojun's scenes to Suho. You are clearly saying those scenes belong to the writer of webtoon, not Seojun. However, this is a webtoon which has a lot of fans, like a Harry Potter book, Lord of the Rings book, or even Twilight book. Therefore, sorry, but in my eyes, there are scenes which belong to some characters, such as the scene Suho met Jugyeong at the comic shop. I wouldn't be happy as well if the one met Jugyeong there is not Suho, but Seojun because that's their relationship background. Like we can't take some scenes from Harry to give Ron, from Frodo to give Aragorn/Legolas, or from Edward to give Jacob; we also shouldn't take Seojun's scenes to give Suho. This is clearly stealing scenes from Seojun. You are making this between the writers of drama and webtoon, but no, this is between the characters. Since this is a previously written work, like a book, some of us have the right not to like how they changed it. "Stealing" means taking another's possesion, yes, I agree with that. And they are taking Seojun's possession, which is some scenes in this case, to give Suho. Of course, they cannot take their permission, they are fictional characters, but in a way, as fans, we can feel they should respect the fans who loves those scenes between Jugyeong and Seojun. It's okay to feel that way. It's not like I call the police to report their action. Please, chill, my friend. If even this one can't make you understand me, I won't try to explain myself to you again. Clearly, we are not talking about same thing, and we are not in the same page.

Also, I am unsatisfied with the fact that how they portrayed Seojun as more harsh than the webtoon, how they portrayed Suho as more possessive and obsessive than the webtoon, and also how much they make the fight between them last longer than the webtoon. It's not like I am only unsatisfied with giving one's scenes to another. I am unsatisfied with this adaptation, and that's okay. Not everybody have to be satisfied with it. On the other hand, I am satisfied with the changes on the character of Sujin.

Dear, amanu, "stealing scenes" means giving someone scenes to another one. This is not simply changing the scenes, but changing the whole stories and characters. Doesn't Suho deserve scenes which belong to only him? Since webtoon was before the drama, what does it mean that giving Seojun's scenes to Suho? Is webtoon Suho that much boring or inferior to the webtoon Seojun up to the point they felt they have to give Seojun's scenes to him? Look, you are too agressive, and that makes me harsh, too. Let's not be like that. You and me... If in the end of both drama and webtoon, if Jugyeong would end with Suho, good for them. I just don't like how they ruin this experience for me. Also, there are people who are not satisfied even with Harry Potter adaptation or Lord of the Rings adaptation? So what if I am not satisfied with the drama? I didn't say anything about writing different scenes, getting scenes from webtoon or changing all the story. I am simple unsatisfied with the fact that they are using Seojun's scenes to show Suho more interesting. If they want to change the story, it's okay, but they should've done this with whole new scenes. That's my opinion. Now, everything that makes Suho nice or "the one saving the girl" belongs to Seojun originally. It's like having Ron killed Voldemort instead of Harry or giving the ring to Aragorn to destroy. The band-aid scene, the wallet scene, the first kiss scene, and even the piano scene from next week belong to Seojun in the first place. Suho isn't interested in or playing any musical instrument at all, Seojun is the artist one. Now, they are making him the artist one giving him "Leo" title or making him songs. That's cool, good for him. But the piano scene belonged to Seojun. I don't care if you are not satisfied with my comments as the writers don't care mine. Therefore, just don't read any comment of mine if you do not like it. I love Suho in the webtoon and drama as well. I am just being honest about how I am not satisfied with the changes in stories, and I have that right as a viewer or as a webtoon reader. Thank you for your interest, btw.

First of all, I agree with you about the fact that threatening Suho wasn't a good move, and this is one of the changes I didn't like in the drama. Secondly, trying to get closed to someone is not a sneaky move, like giving his keys or sitting next to her, or getting a drink for her, etc. Except for the fact that he threatened Suho, right now, I can't remember a move which led to a misunderstanding. That was what I meant before. Saying lies about someone, purposely creating misunderstandings to make them break up, etc.. Those are what I called sneacky moves. On the other hand, as I said before, I can't remember something like this in the case of Seojun, but if there is, I do not approve that. Also, when we said "we can't control who we love", that means we should look what he did after he realized he loved her. In that scene in which his sister and mother talked about the drama, that's what he meant. "Yes, he was trying to get revenge, and did some bad things, but then he couldn't control and loved her. It could happen." I believe he meant that. Same goes Sujin as well... If she really loves Suho, she could try to get close to him, or try to get him for herself without purposely creating misunderstandings between the couple. As you can see, after Seojun realized he loved her, he couldn't accept that at first. First of all, he knows that Suho loves her. Secondly, he like her as a friend as well, and probably wouldn't wanna lose both of them. That's why he got frustrated after he realized he fell in love with her. Also, after that, he just try to get close her like Suho did, such as being a team in a game, helping her while she was sick, or singing a song just because she wanted to hear even though he doesn't like it because of Seyeon. If those are sneaky moves, I don't think you and I are in the same page. After learning that she loves Suho, I don't think he would try to get her consciously or purposely (if writers won't change his character in this aspect as well). For example, I think the scene in the preview of ep 9 was an accident while trying to make some good poses. However, as I said before, there is always a chance that the writers can change his character again like they did the scene where he threatened Suho. Seojun in the webtoon wouldn't do that, but Seojun in drama is different, and that annoys me and I do not approve that move. I hope I could explain myself clearly.

The first one I remembered is Boys Over Flowers although the purpose of the kiss was different.

Calling my wish as "little fantasy" seems disrespectful to me. It's an aggressive way to tell about the traditions in K-drama. Also I didn't respect or judge her decision, she could choose whoever she wants, but it doesn't mean that I can't wish she would be with Seojun.

Also, for your information, there are some K-drama series in which the high school girl kisses two people.

I can't change how the drama goes, but I don't have to be happy about it. I dislike the way they changed it.

I don't wanna be harsh, but I really don't like the fact that they are stealing Seojun's scenes to show Suho more interesting, and that really annoys me as a fan of webtoon. They should've wrote totally different scenes from webtoon for us to see him really different. Now, for me, he is just a character who the writers is trying to build up on Seojun's scenes.

First of all, in the webtoon, I didn't care Sujin at all, but at least, she is likeable in the drama. I wouldn't care less if she shows some interest and tries to get Suho as long as she doesn't do things sneaky or playing some games. No one controls who he or she is going to love, but can control how he or she shows it. I hope you understand what I mean. Also, you sounded like I try to find a reason to hate Sujin, but in this drama, Sujin is the only change I really liked.

I respect your opinion, but you, also, be respectful to our opinions and the things we want. Did you see the scenario with your own eyes? How are you so sure? Just enjoy the show and leave us with our "little fantasies".

I am heartbroken as much as Seojun now. I knew that Jugyeong would break his heart, but I didn't know it would be this early. This episode was like a preview of how it would be if Seojun and Jugyeong would go out. Like he said Suho earlier, in the end, the important thing is who Jugyeong like and want to go out, and in fact, he was there for her while she was crying on why Suho doesn't like her back. He was trying to comfort her although his heart just got broken. I love how he cares her, how he said he was sorry for everything even though he didn't anything wrong, and how carefully he listened to her while she started to talk about why she was crying. On the other hand, she didn't even listen to his song right after she asked him to sing. I was so disappointed, but interestingly, Seojun didn't notice that she left, I don't know what the writers were thinking while writing that scene. He could clearly see everybody from the stage, how didn't he notice that?

Also, I really like the fact that he asked Suho if Jugyeong's feelings matters for him. Yesterday, on this forum, I was literally taking about how Suho doesn't care if she wants to be somewhere or be with someone. I don't say he is a bad person, I love Suho as well. However, it looks like he wants to keep her himself without asking her opinion.

I also like how Seojun reacted when his mother and sister was talking about the drama. I agree with him, when it comes to love, nobody can control it, and therefore, even though it started for revenge, it doesn't mean his love is not real. On the other hand, this beginning would break my heart, and I would have a hard time to accept it, but if he was someone like Seojun, I believe he would try to make me trust him again. It would be hard for him as well.

Finally, when Jugyeong's mother talked about what she liked about Jugyeong's father, it reminded me Seojun, like how well he sings, and how handsome he is. I also realized Seojun and her father is similar in terms of being easy going, childish, and I don't know if it is the right term, but playful. You know, there is a saying that girls like the boys who reminds them their father. I literally hope that would be the case for Jugyeong as well. We are up to episode 8, and Suho and Jugyeong started to date (I really believe the "breaking up" in the preview is a dream or something like that, but not real.); therefore, there is still a chance for my ship to sail.