Personally have a love hate relationship with this show, ngl... Liked ep 1 and 3 but not 2... I guess I will see if this keeps being the case going forward
I get you, but she didn't do her job from the jump but just assumed that obviously he is rich so they are letting…
Why should Kang Hyun get the benefit of the doubt? Just because she has a serious approach to things and he doesn't? Let's not make the mistake of regarding or equating seriousness and being responsible.
I think you're making excuses at this point. Evidence collection and processing are two different things. But sure let's say it is dark out and tedious getting CCTV footage, and it's probably not visible anyway... Then can't she can't get someone to take pictures of the crime scene and the victim, secure the "weapon" he used to use as refutable evidence for the case against him in the meantime? Literally, anything that doesn't take a lot of admin but nothing was done. Like you expect me to believe her colleagues managed to get her Isoo's info profile (which we see them discuss btw not just her but the commissioner came. I'd say they were available to help ) but no one tries to find out who this chaebols victim is to notify the family, (who can even possibly even press charges for this alleged assault to get Isoo arrested), until the following day when she goes and checks the guy's fingerprints? Like it's not even mentioned in passing to try getting in contact the victim's family and no such attempts are alluded to being made even in the discussions about the incident the following day. Like this is operation "investigate the chaebol and get them punished or delay their release as long as possible" (😂😂😂 the name is a work in progress) but there's nothing to hold him or at least offer opposing resistance. We know Kang Hyun has a likely dislike for chaebols because of the comments about her father, I think we must expect her to move fast since she is aware how chaebols move. But her actions don't show that.
So, Isoo gets to be dragged around doing nothing because Kang Hyun can go on a power trip because prejudice and he can't play games in retaliation to her refusing to cooperate with him just because he is bored because he can't act anymore spoilt since he is already privileged 😑🥱. smh. Like I think we need to remember that at the point Kang Hyun decides to start excluding Isoo, mans had just got to the precinct and hasn't even done anything work related so how does she even know his capabilities and that he is treating her work like a playground?? She indirectly agreed to work with this chaebol by deciding that keeping her job (and preventing any further consequences of her actions on her team) is more important to her than working with him for 2 months - I'd say she is already violating said contract. So she gets a pass for prejudice and he can't get one because it's the precinct he literally can't play games in such a serious environment??? The one thing she as a cop must not have to uphold the law fairly...?? OKAY😅😅 sure then Isoo is a very bad boy and Kang Hyun is very justified...
I don't think we have the same definition for what training is. But I believe for both of us can agree it can't be just showing up somewhere where professionals are at work (going by what happened to Isoo). No because we can't say Kang Hyun trained him just because she brought him out to the field. Otherwise that would mean I too am trained to be a nurse, teacher, police, etc. just because I have been in a space where these professionals work and observed them working. As for the report writing, come on! Every institution has guidelines on how they write reports and value different things in terms of content. So how has Isoo who has been an untrained cop for a couple of hours no less supposed to know how to do that. Heck, the young cop on the team (the Isoo fan) said even he struggles with it and he is trained. Sure let's say he could have made an attempt which might be futile (I agree he could have) but that wasn't a teaching moment, it was an attempt at control. So because Isoo decided not to subject himself to her hazing and flip things on her he is the bad guy? I think the problem you (plural, as in people on Kang Hyun's side) have, is him not putting up with her power trip but flipping things to suit him because he too has influence. And just because his influence outweighs the little power she has then he is the villain. As for the boat thing, he wasn't even observing because he wasn't even to step foot in the boat so there's nothing he was going to see anyway (she literally even told him to go back to his car, he's just here so she can keep an eye on him). So the thing still goes back to Kang Hyun wanting Isoo to be subjected to her hazing and he is just fighting back. Him being on the boat, yes maybe not ideal, I could argue was the extension of him sitting in the car and waiting there. Let's not choose and pick info to suit narratives.
Yes, Isoo needs to learn to take things seriously, not that he is not responsible. Yes he needs to learn to read the room and get along better with other people because his position in life already makes him subject to prejudice and make him misunderstood. But she needs to be open minded too. It's not necessarily hate, it's a (strong?) dislike for how she isn't keen on taking what she is dishing.
I get you, but she didn't do her job from the jump but just assumed that obviously he is rich so they are letting…
She could have done it when she detained him, could she not? Have one of her team members collect evidence while she was interrogating him?? I mean I would have assumed that would have been her first instinct given she knows how chaebols move. But she just detained him overnight and hoped her word-of-mouth vs chaebol power would suffice. Like from the countless law/crime centered k-dramas (which is probably the case irl too), they always emphasize finding concrete evidence vs circumstantial evidence because it won't hold in court.
Actually, Isoo started playing games because she chooses when to or not to include him in police work. Heck she straight up told him to leave before he even did anything🤷♀️😑 . It doesn't help that she was already prejudiced against him from the start. She was and still is unwilling to admit her role in the problem when confronted about it and chooses to get mad instead. Dude went to the crime scene were she demanded he goes to btw only for her to say he should do nothing (why did she call him out in the first place??) ... rather she could have left him at the precinct playing games rather than getting upset he went on a boat ride where they were working yet he refused allowing him to work. As for the report, nah we can't place it on him. She was told literally in the beginning during the meeting that she is responsible for handling him AKA overseeing and training him on what to do, which she didn't (yet she agreed she will handle him). So naturally he went to the one person who he knows will do something about the situation. The same way you would IRL if you were unfairly treated. Yes, I agree he doesn't have a serious approach to things but doesn't mean he isn't responsible.
Then until they talk things out, they will work in this unhealthy environment because Isoo is retaliating because he feels wronged in the process making her feel like he isn't respecting them and their workplace and it's a viscous cycle of butting heads...
I also don't hate Kang Hyun. I just feel like her prejudice is blinding her from even tackling her current situation with Isoo the best way possible and even take advantage of his status and reach (e.g. like the case of that missing person where he was able to mobilize his followers to find the person quick and him having access to that place with their suspect). Her challenging him and not training him even in the most basic of things will make their relationship drag out the story for sure (gotta fill in 16 eps somehow, am I right?) but hopefully they both grow and soon take advantage of each other's strengths and work together. I too can't fault Isoo making light of everything about police work and Kang Hyun because so far nothing about it has been made out to be serious work. I mean wrongful arrest and not being let to do anything... just aimlessly following orders, besides it being his natural attitude towards things.
I get you, but she didn't do her job from the jump but just assumed that obviously he is rich so they are letting…
I think you neglect that in that case she would be lacking evidence to prosecute him for a crime he did in fact commit and he would be subjected to her prejudice but it would be justified because he would be acting stereotypical... which is slightly not the case this time around. She didn't rectify anything as far as I can recall.
Why is everyone hating on FL?? Just because she dislikes ML for not taking police work seriously?? FL has serious…
I get you, but she didn't do her job from the jump but just assumed that obviously he is rich so they are letting him get away for a crime. But if she at least had an argument against Isoo other than I saw you and you're rich she would seem like the badass we're supposed to take her as.
Then when they are forced to work with him, they lowkey harass him just because he is a pain to work with... which I get but they also don't care to even apologize to him for being wrong about the whole thing. Yes I get the articles.. but still. They are just setting themselves up for failure because if he messes up it's going to backfire on them because they didn't train him making it hard on them all over again. And his family can always release the real reason behind what happened.
We aren't saying she should like him or take him seriously but they are trying to sell us plot holes here 🤷♀️
Episode 1 set the bar high for me but somehow I feel like episode 2 didn't hit. Kang Hyun's actions just felt opposite to intention. Like I get why she is doing it but execution fell short imo,
She was sold to me as a no nonsense cop who cares for nothing but catching the criminal. So from the jump I was expecting her to search the area for the alleged weapon, secure CCTV footage, try ID the victim and the like to use that as defense against him (which maybe then the cheabol family will try to bury with money or oppose to save Isoo hence setting up the whole relationship dynamic). But it's all done later after she is forced to release Jin Isoo because cheabol power. I mean I guess that would also mean we don't get the series but oh well
Then she doesn't apologize to Isoo after finding out the truth, tries to get him to quit but instigates (?) him further which backfires on her. Like nothing makes me side with her, she just comes across as someone who was faced with responsibility and refused to take it up, but also rejects the consequences of her actions. Like how am I expected to see the annoyance when I can't see her basis for it. Like if Isoo was in the wrong I would 100% agree but he kinda isn't.
My preferred approach would be her at least half assing her job of teaching him as a trap to get him to quit, making him do the work which he would struggle with or even mess up then capitalize on that... but she just makes him do some of the work and when he finds ways around it, she gets mad.. like ahh Mrs. Ma'am what were you expecting, you were told he is a man of capabilities...
But let's see if I make it to episode 6 honestly....
My anxiety watching this show was at an all time high.. It served it's purpose but I am not intentionally watching it again..... my heart won't survive. Sad ending but ohh well
yes you have all of these resources but how is that meant to amount to literally screaming out, fighting, yelling,…
The frustration is normal, expected and understandable. The choice not to communicate isn't. Plus, Jinwoo doesn't know about what she is hearing around her, only she does. And every time she is given a platform to keep him in the loop and ask questions she chooses not too. Doesn't even give him the chance to refuse, just keeps it to herself. We all take time revealing the skeletons in the closet when we start relationships but why should Jinwoo be expected to fast-track doing that because his business overlaps with everyone around him 's business? She wouldn't have been expected to do that if it was her business being talked about like that because it's not like Jinwoo would hear about it... Right??
I'm sorry but that is not a healthy relationship practice, regardless of the mode of communication used or communication challenges between two people.
I don't think that even writers know how SFL was supposed to feel after fire. First she said he didn't do anything…
It's not about not having empathy for her. Personally I do, it was a traumatic experience. The issue is how she phrases the cause her suffering from the incident. According to her, she is absolved of any blame because at least she tried to call out to him and she had a stalker. But when she is reminded Jinwoo couldn't hear, didn't know about the stalker, and tried to look for you in the fire with no help whatsoever, her response is but I still suffered because I felt abandoned. She never views Jinwoo as a victim too, just a perpetrator, when he is also suffering from guilt because of something he can't change plus her inflicted guilt, and his own trauma.
It's always because Jinwoo did/not do something. And the fact that that phrasing still stands even after she is corrected about the events because she needs a place to put the blame doesn't sit well with me. Why couldn't she blame the stalker???
She chose to be selfish about things when they (her and Jinwoo) were not even viewing things from the same perspective. It's like saying its mandatory for both low class and upper class people should buy a certain luxury item. And even after the rich know why the poor can't easily buy one, they still maintain that its also expensive for me and well we all earn money so we should all but them. And that is wrong.
I don't think that even writers know how SFL was supposed to feel after fire. First she said he didn't do anything…
She didn't even tell Jinwoo about the stalker's existence or even mention it every time she heard something and got scared and they were together so he didn't know... he was supposed to be her person but she didn't even let him do what he could, why? Take the night of the fire, why didn't she tell him where she was going..., and it was just the two of them in the class, like you're scared of a stalker but you aren't even telling the one person (who is deaf I might add) where you are going so they are aware just incase you're MIA for too long... Plus, they were literally somewhat secluded from everyone else, owing to Jinwoo's deafness so no one other than him supposedly had her back. And no we're not villainizing her, she made conclusions for Jinwoo about things (he doesn't hear so he won't understand") and when things turned out for the worst, blamed him for not being there when we all know why he couldn't. She supposed to be someone with a deaf parent. Surely she is supposed to be well attuned to how to navigate communication with the deaf.
Trauma response, yes I understand, but some are based on preconceived notions/assumptions which still doesn't absolve her of her being the source of it all.
I still think Seokyung's feelings about the fire incident don't make sense... like what do you mean ma'am?
Don't get me started on Moeun... Like not wanting to argue over text/sign language??. I get. But that voice to text app that you and Jinwoo used initially literally EXISTS. Remember it??. You literally could have vented out via speech, whatever it is you had to say and complain about (and Jinwoo would hear you out, well read it but still) but NOOO, you chose to run away and hide... argghh.. Makes me reluctant to watch the finale!!
Liked ep 1 and 3 but not 2... I guess I will see if this keeps being the case going forward
I think you're making excuses at this point. Evidence collection and processing are two different things. But sure let's say it is dark out and tedious getting CCTV footage, and it's probably not visible anyway... Then can't she can't get someone to take pictures of the crime scene and the victim, secure the "weapon" he used to use as refutable evidence for the case against him in the meantime? Literally, anything that doesn't take a lot of admin but nothing was done.
Like you expect me to believe her colleagues managed to get her Isoo's info profile (which we see them discuss btw not just her but the commissioner came. I'd say they were available to help ) but no one tries to find out who this chaebols victim is to notify the family, (who can even possibly even press charges for this alleged assault to get Isoo arrested), until the following day when she goes and checks the guy's fingerprints? Like it's not even mentioned in passing to try getting in contact the victim's family and no such attempts are alluded to being made even in the discussions about the incident the following day. Like this is operation "investigate the chaebol and get them punished or delay their release as long as possible" (😂😂😂 the name is a work in progress) but there's nothing to hold him or at least offer opposing resistance. We know Kang Hyun has a likely dislike for chaebols because of the comments about her father, I think we must expect her to move fast since she is aware how chaebols move. But her actions don't show that.
So, Isoo gets to be dragged around doing nothing because Kang Hyun can go on a power trip because prejudice and he can't play games in retaliation to her refusing to cooperate with him just because he is bored because he can't act anymore spoilt since he is already privileged 😑🥱. smh. Like I think we need to remember that at the point Kang Hyun decides to start excluding Isoo, mans had just got to the precinct and hasn't even done anything work related so how does she even know his capabilities and that he is treating her work like a playground?? She indirectly agreed to work with this chaebol by deciding that keeping her job (and preventing any further consequences of her actions on her team) is more important to her than working with him for 2 months - I'd say she is already violating said contract. So she gets a pass for prejudice and he can't get one because it's the precinct he literally can't play games in such a serious environment??? The one thing she as a cop must not have to uphold the law fairly...?? OKAY😅😅 sure then Isoo is a very bad boy and Kang Hyun is very justified...
I don't think we have the same definition for what training is. But I believe for both of us can agree it can't be just showing up somewhere where professionals are at work (going by what happened to Isoo). No because we can't say Kang Hyun trained him just because she brought him out to the field. Otherwise that would mean I too am trained to be a nurse, teacher, police, etc. just because I have been in a space where these professionals work and observed them working. As for the report writing, come on! Every institution has guidelines on how they write reports and value different things in terms of content. So how has Isoo who has been an untrained cop for a couple of hours no less supposed to know how to do that. Heck, the young cop on the team (the Isoo fan) said even he struggles with it and he is trained. Sure let's say he could have made an attempt which might be futile (I agree he could have) but that wasn't a teaching moment, it was an attempt at control. So because Isoo decided not to subject himself to her hazing and flip things on her he is the bad guy? I think the problem you (plural, as in people on Kang Hyun's side) have, is him not putting up with her power trip but flipping things to suit him because he too has influence. And just because his influence outweighs the little power she has then he is the villain. As for the boat thing, he wasn't even observing because he wasn't even to step foot in the boat so there's nothing he was going to see anyway (she literally even told him to go back to his car, he's just here so she can keep an eye on him). So the thing still goes back to Kang Hyun wanting Isoo to be subjected to her hazing and he is just fighting back. Him being on the boat, yes maybe not ideal, I could argue was the extension of him sitting in the car and waiting there. Let's not choose and pick info to suit narratives.
Yes, Isoo needs to learn to take things seriously, not that he is not responsible. Yes he needs to learn to read the room and get along better with other people because his position in life already makes him subject to prejudice and make him misunderstood. But she needs to be open minded too. It's not necessarily hate, it's a (strong?) dislike for how she isn't keen on taking what she is dishing.
No worries, it's mutual 😂😂😁
Actually, Isoo started playing games because she chooses when to or not to include him in police work. Heck she straight up told him to leave before he even did anything🤷♀️😑 . It doesn't help that she was already prejudiced against him from the start. She was and still is unwilling to admit her role in the problem when confronted about it and chooses to get mad instead. Dude went to the crime scene were she demanded he goes to btw only for her to say he should do nothing (why did she call him out in the first place??) ... rather she could have left him at the precinct playing games rather than getting upset he went on a boat ride where they were working yet he refused allowing him to work.
As for the report, nah we can't place it on him. She was told literally in the beginning during the meeting that she is responsible for handling him AKA overseeing and training him on what to do, which she didn't (yet she agreed she will handle him). So naturally he went to the one person who he knows will do something about the situation. The same way you would IRL if you were unfairly treated. Yes, I agree he doesn't have a serious approach to things but doesn't mean he isn't responsible.
Then until they talk things out, they will work in this unhealthy environment because Isoo is retaliating because he feels wronged in the process making her feel like he isn't respecting them and their workplace and it's a viscous cycle of butting heads...
I also don't hate Kang Hyun. I just feel like her prejudice is blinding her from even tackling her current situation with Isoo the best way possible and even take advantage of his status and reach (e.g. like the case of that missing person where he was able to mobilize his followers to find the person quick and him having access to that place with their suspect). Her challenging him and not training him even in the most basic of things will make their relationship drag out the story for sure (gotta fill in 16 eps somehow, am I right?) but hopefully they both grow and soon take advantage of each other's strengths and work together. I too can't fault Isoo making light of everything about police work and Kang Hyun because so far nothing about it has been made out to be serious work. I mean wrongful arrest and not being let to do anything... just aimlessly following orders, besides it being his natural attitude towards things.
She didn't rectify anything as far as I can recall.
Then when they are forced to work with him, they lowkey harass him just because he is a pain to work with... which I get but they also don't care to even apologize to him for being wrong about the whole thing. Yes I get the articles.. but still. They are just setting themselves up for failure because if he messes up it's going to backfire on them because they didn't train him making it hard on them all over again. And his family can always release the real reason behind what happened.
We aren't saying she should like him or take him seriously but they are trying to sell us plot holes here 🤷♀️
She was sold to me as a no nonsense cop who cares for nothing but catching the criminal. So from the jump I was expecting her to search the area for the alleged weapon, secure CCTV footage, try ID the victim and the like to use that as defense against him (which maybe then the cheabol family will try to bury with money or oppose to save Isoo hence setting up the whole relationship dynamic). But it's all done later after she is forced to release Jin Isoo because cheabol power. I mean I guess that would also mean we don't get the series but oh well
Then she doesn't apologize to Isoo after finding out the truth, tries to get him to quit but instigates (?) him further which backfires on her. Like nothing makes me side with her, she just comes across as someone who was faced with responsibility and refused to take it up, but also rejects the consequences of her actions. Like how am I expected to see the annoyance when I can't see her basis for it. Like if Isoo was in the wrong I would 100% agree but he kinda isn't.
My preferred approach would be her at least half assing her job of teaching him as a trap to get him to quit, making him do the work which he would struggle with or even mess up then capitalize on that... but she just makes him do some of the work and when he finds ways around it, she gets mad.. like ahh Mrs. Ma'am what were you expecting, you were told he is a man of capabilities...
But let's see if I make it to episode 6 honestly....
It served it's purpose but I am not intentionally watching it again..... my heart won't survive. Sad ending but ohh well
I have more questions than answers
We all take time revealing the skeletons in the closet when we start relationships but why should Jinwoo be expected to fast-track doing that because his business overlaps with everyone around him 's business? She wouldn't have been expected to do that if it was her business being talked about like that because it's not like Jinwoo would hear about it... Right??
I'm sorry but that is not a healthy relationship practice, regardless of the mode of communication used or communication challenges between two people.
It's always because Jinwoo did/not do something. And the fact that that phrasing still stands even after she is corrected about the events because she needs a place to put the blame doesn't sit well with me. Why couldn't she blame the stalker???
She chose to be selfish about things when they (her and Jinwoo) were not even viewing things from the same perspective. It's like saying its mandatory for both low class and upper class people should buy a certain luxury item. And even after the rich know why the poor can't easily buy one, they still maintain that its also expensive for me and well we all earn money so we should all but them. And that is wrong.
And no we're not villainizing her, she made conclusions for Jinwoo about things (he doesn't hear so he won't understand") and when things turned out for the worst, blamed him for not being there when we all know why he couldn't. She supposed to be someone with a deaf parent. Surely she is supposed to be well attuned to how to navigate communication with the deaf.
Trauma response, yes I understand, but some are based on preconceived notions/assumptions which still doesn't absolve her of her being the source of it all.
Don't get me started on Moeun... Like not wanting to argue over text/sign language??. I get.
But that voice to text app that you and Jinwoo used initially literally EXISTS. Remember it??. You literally could have vented out via speech, whatever it is you had to say and complain about (and Jinwoo would hear you out, well read it but still) but NOOO, you chose to run away and hide... argghh.. Makes me reluctant to watch the finale!!
And as always Meguro Ren's charisma is top tier...