Hm? LOL I'm not getting the same vibes from them (or else I'd be dropping this like a hot potatoe) what are you…
Ugh is it really becoming a trend? To be fair they do keep me hooked (I did finish The King) but I hate every second of it. It seems like very lazy story telling to me.
I agree with your points. Just because you feel uncomfortable does not mean others do, after all your not the…
Yeah that's true, but it's definetly a great conversation starter imo. Also being asked to show your abs on the red carpet for free and in front of paparazzi is not the same as doing it on set because its on your contract.
If you follow any line of thought to find some ultimate conclusion, you would end up with some ridiculous result…
Exactly! We'll all provably come to different conclusions and for different reasons. The thing is that hopefully the people participating in creating those scenes are also thinking about all sides of these arguments too. Tbh I don't think you need sexy abs to sell...idk Ginseng supplements but when you have an industry that always says "sex sells" then that's the first thing you think of doing. Instead of really thinking about it and then deciding what you believe. That's why I think they're not that deep. Because I really doubt any of these writers are thinking about the scenes in this way...
I kdrama, though, kissing scenes or intimate actions usually serve a purpose. What the writer was pointing was…
lol I completely understand. I think people are making really good points and its fun to have a decent discussion on the internet for once.! But yeah I agree that this is like talking about religion or politics...you'll never get to the bottom of it. Just the other day I was thinking about how I got into dramas when I was like 13ish and I thought they were so innocent because it was quite sanitized. So from my point of view having this sort of stuff appear more is also an expression of the freedom that actors and directors are gaining in societies like SK, but that's just my two cents. On the other hand, the actual storylines haven't changed much. It's usually two guys love this one girl and she's so pretty and she's strong for like the first 5 episodes until she's suddenly is not and needs a man.
If you follow any line of thought to find some ultimate conclusion, you would end up with some ridiculous result…
Yeah but you should always try to reason things to the end. It's like everyone can get on board with moral relativism until you realize it can excuse cannibalism or something. So you move on and find a better way to think about how to judge problems. I did really enjoy this article and it did make me think! I'm of the general I'm of the opinion that shirtless scenes aren't that deep. And objectification in media is a very touchy subject especially in 2020 because where does objectification end and empowerment/ownership of your body and sexuality start. Me disagreeing with the writer doesn't mean that this isn't a topic we should think about and come to our own decision on whether or not it's problematic (ie. moral) for actors to do this. I also really don't think most of us are qualified to come up with any moral arguments for or against shirtless scenes since we're not the ones taking off our shirts or writing it. We can only think about it in very theoretical ways that could be very different from how it is on the ground.
I kdrama, though, kissing scenes or intimate actions usually serve a purpose. What the writer was pointing was…
Hmm I don't really wanna articulate my feelings on this because I'll be here all day so I provably wasn't too clear. What I mean is even if it doesn't serve a story purpose (given that not all shower scenes are meaningless) not every scene in a drama/movie/piece of media needs to move the plot forward. Somethings are there to be entertaining and catch the audience's eyes because that's the purpose of dramas. What's the difference between lingering on a nice scenery or watching a cool montage of someone getting dressed? Unless you yourself are so uncomfortable with seeing someone that way (who btw has consented to being seeing in that way) that you think your feelings towards the scene = the actor is being hyper sexualized. I was saying that following that line of thought, that shirtless scenes equal objectification, leads you down a weird path where anything vaguely sexual can be seen as objectification. Of course you don't have to go there but you can't assume that someone won't keep going. There's also something to be said about Asian men reclaiming and defining their masculinity after centuries of western feminization but that's a topic for another day. None of this is happening in a vacuum. Objectification of women is rampant but women showing themselves in a sexy way can also be empowering if they're the ones in control. So if you're gonna say shirtless scenes are problematic I can't agree with that. But if you say shirtless scenes are problematic when men are uncomfortable with doing it and being seen in that way...then I wouldn't object. Basically what I'm saying is that your uncomfortableness with the situation does not mean that the situation is somehow demeaning an individual or character.
I don't want to write an essay, other people already have. But I really don't agree with this. If we follow this line of thought to its ultimate conclusion then we wouldn't have any kissing scenes, mature scenes, and so on...and that's no longer 'saving actors from objectification' but rather censorship and not a reflection of how people live their lives. Haven't you ever seen shirtless boys IRL? What's wrong with seeing them on screen? It's not that men should be "protected" like women are but rather that we need to stop seeing boobs as super sexual.
Palace politics are the woooorst!! There so many "romance" historical dramas that get bogged down by old men in beards sitting around in ginseng houses. On the other hand I feel like Chinese dramas do focus a lot more on romance which is nice. Too bad I find myself finishing them then forgetting everything that I just spent 50 episodes watching :/ Jang Ok Jung was pretty good
idk about you guys but goong?? i wished my school had uniforms so i could wear neon sweatpants underneath skirts (ji hoon's hairstyle tho yuck) -- early 2000s Korean fashion was its very own hell
There's something about it that just hasn't been replicated since.
Just the other day I was thinking about how I got into dramas when I was like 13ish and I thought they were so innocent because it was quite sanitized. So from my point of view having this sort of stuff appear more is also an expression of the freedom that actors and directors are gaining in societies like SK, but that's just my two cents. On the other hand, the actual storylines haven't changed much. It's usually two guys love this one girl and she's so pretty and she's strong for like the first 5 episodes until she's suddenly is not and needs a man.
I was saying that following that line of thought, that shirtless scenes equal objectification, leads you down a weird path where anything vaguely sexual can be seen as objectification. Of course you don't have to go there but you can't assume that someone won't keep going. There's also something to be said about Asian men reclaiming and defining their masculinity after centuries of western feminization but that's a topic for another day. None of this is happening in a vacuum. Objectification of women is rampant but women showing themselves in a sexy way can also be empowering if they're the ones in control. So if you're gonna say shirtless scenes are problematic I can't agree with that. But if you say shirtless scenes are problematic when men are uncomfortable with doing it and being seen in that way...then I wouldn't object. Basically what I'm saying is that your uncomfortableness with the situation does not mean that the situation is somehow demeaning an individual or character.