I am sorry but who are you to say she deserves sympathy or not? If she takes drugs she must be quite emotionaly…
And who are others to say drug addicts do deserve sympathy? The answer is: human beings with our own opinions, and freedom to express them. We may disagree, but there’s no need to be bitter about it.
Sure, she’s free to do whatever she wants with her body. Still, actions have consequences. When it comes to the issue at hand, said consequences are well-known.
She did not sell drugs, she “only” bought them, thus funding and fueling criminal organizations that are corroding countries and societies and bringing death and violence to the places in which they operate, just to get high. She’s destroying herself but not others? Think again.
Drug addicts don’t deserve any sympathy. I am tired of hearing that they are just victims of an illness, and that they deserve sympathy and understanding, and not to be frowned upon. This mindset is part of the problem since it tacitly regards them as child-like subjects who are not responsible for their own actions and should be unconditionally favored.
While addiction is indeed an illness, in the vast majority of cases it comes from an informed decision. Everybody knows what drugs are and the consequences. She also knew the law, and what would happen if she got caught. The legal system, or a conservative society, didn't destroy her future. She did.
Now, you may tell me that many people who get addicted have been through hard times. So? All people go through hard times at least once in their lives, and some even go through more serious states such as PTSD or depression, and most of them don’t poison themselves with drugs.
I honestly don't believe condemning cheating and illicit affairs by public figures online can be considered cyber…
Well, South Korean courts have a long history for being abused in ill-intentioned defamation suits. So it doesn't come as a surprise. In Private International Law, the plaintiff's nationality and place of residence doesn't really matter. It's the defendant's that matters. So this is weird.
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I honestly don't believe condemning cheating and illicit affairs by public figures online can be considered cyber…
I get your point, but the severe depression should be caused by their reprehensible action, not by people calling them out.
"We can express disgust and condemn the behaviour without being cruel about it."
True. But I don't think people here have been cruel. Harsh? Yes. Cruel? Not really.
"If the comment was about you, how would you feel? [...] You can condemn without risk causing severe after effects for the condemned"
Well, for starters, I have never cheated and would never cheat, so I'm not sure if I can answer your question properly.
However, they knew full well what would happen if they were caught (and it seems they didn't even try to hide the affair), especially in a shame-based society like the Japanese.
Ehen I have made mistakes (needless to say, not as terrible as cheating on someone), I've felt bad for the mistake, or for how others have felt as a consequence. Not for others calling me out.
It's utterly hypocritical to feel bad about others calling you out on your actions and not for the consequences of your actions.
I honestly don't believe condemning cheating and illicit affairs by public figures online can be considered cyber…
Defamation and cyber bullying are different things. Defamation as part of a bigger cyber bullying scheme can of course stand up in court.
But no one here is issuing threats, or making up facts, but condemning a notorious and public immoral behavior by two public figures. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, neither legally nor morally.
As for your example, probably the fan wrote it on the artist's social media page. But still, half a million for only saying that is not fair and gives justice a bad name. It was just one insulting comment. I guess this is the consequence of a chaotic common law system. Was it in the UK?
The amount of cyber bullying in these comments makes me feel sick
I honestly don't believe condemning cheating and illicit affairs by public figures online can be considered cyber bullying.
It would only be cyber bullying if these comments were posted directly on the cheaters' social media pages, and if they were of an intimidating or threatening nature.
Comments here, even if they are harsh or were disgustingly hateful, would not stand up in court as cyber bullying.
Let me get this straight. She voluntarily had an affair with a married man with three kids... and we have to believe…
"accountable for what?" [...] She's a victim of the backwards culture"
LOL! You can't be serious... If you actually believe there's nothing wrong with cheating or having an illicit affair, then I'm not sure what to tell you other than I don't ever want to have someone like you in my life.
"If she was a surgeon , what's the answer no surgeries for her; a detective close her cases?"
Are surgeons and detectives public figures that owe their careers to their fans? Your comparison is beyond ridiculous.
"He prob provided an ear to listen too, career guidance,money etc."
My friends, both male and female, provide an ear to listen, and I don't sleep with them. My sunbaes, teachers and professionals in my field have all provided valuable career guidance and advice; maybe I should have had affairs with them? As for the money, well, if you sleep with someone in exchange for money, that has a name: prostitution.
"Were you going to give that to her?"
Nope. Girls who have illicit affairs with married men deserve nothing. Absolutely nothing. I always stay away from this kind of girls.
Marriage between two people is supposed to be sacred! Couples go through sacred rites in every culture. A man…
I totally agree with you.
However, courts usually grant custody to mothers and the father still has to pay lots of money in alimony to his ex-wife, including the family house's mortgage (that the man has to leave), even when she remarries. That is not fair.
Said this, I truly sympathize with the wife and children in this case. They don't deserve this.
This is ridiculous Erika deserves absolutely no blame in any way shame or form. I like Asian dramas as much as…
Let me get this straight. She voluntarily had an affair with a married man with three kids... and we have to believe that she's just a poor victim? No. She's just as responsible as the other party in the affair. She knew what she was doing and that it was wrong. She's an adult, not a child. And she should be held accountable.
A lot of you commenting here don't even know how Japanese society works. Marriage is a cynical transaction to…
Marriage is indeed a cynical transaction to most Japanese. So is for many Westerners as well, sadly. The Japanese at least are not as hypocritical in the process (but are as a collective) and know what they are signing up for.
Thank you for your great explanation, and I agree with you on your last paragraph.
Cheating on your wife is disgusting, but not even thinking on your own children is truly despicable. Erika's shared responsibility should not be diminished or overlooked.
Said this, the backlash is truly commendable. Japanese society does indeed have its fair share of issues, but at least publicly shames and condemns such behaviors, unlike some sick Western societies.
The case of the Netherlands proves that any pro-legalization arguments are just poor excuses in order to be able to get high more easily.
Sure, she’s free to do whatever she wants with her body. Still, actions have consequences. When it comes to the issue at hand, said consequences are well-known.
She did not sell drugs, she “only” bought them, thus funding and fueling criminal organizations that are corroding countries and societies and bringing death and violence to the places in which they operate, just to get high. She’s destroying herself but not others? Think again.
Drug addicts don’t deserve any sympathy. I am tired of hearing that they are just victims of an illness, and that they deserve sympathy and understanding, and not to be frowned upon. This mindset is part of the problem since it tacitly regards them as child-like subjects who are not responsible for their own actions and should be unconditionally favored.
While addiction is indeed an illness, in the vast majority of cases it comes from an informed decision. Everybody knows what drugs are and the consequences. She also knew the law, and what would happen if she got caught. The legal system, or a conservative society, didn't destroy her future. She did.
Now, you may tell me that many people who get addicted have been through hard times. So? All people go through hard times at least once in their lives, and some even go through more serious states such as PTSD or depression, and most of them don’t poison themselves with drugs.
It's ok if you can't find the link. Thank you for looking! ^^
"We can express disgust and condemn the behaviour without being cruel about it."
True. But I don't think people here have been cruel. Harsh? Yes. Cruel? Not really.
"If the comment was about you, how would you feel? [...] You can condemn without risk causing severe after effects for the condemned"
Well, for starters, I have never cheated and would never cheat, so I'm not sure if I can answer your question properly.
However, they knew full well what would happen if they were caught (and it seems they didn't even try to hide the affair), especially in a shame-based society like the Japanese.
Ehen I have made mistakes (needless to say, not as terrible as cheating on someone), I've felt bad for the mistake, or for how others have felt as a consequence. Not for others calling me out.
It's utterly hypocritical to feel bad about others calling you out on your actions and not for the consequences of your actions.
But no one here is issuing threats, or making up facts, but condemning a notorious and public immoral behavior by two public figures. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, neither legally nor morally.
As for your example, probably the fan wrote it on the artist's social media page. But still, half a million for only saying that is not fair and gives justice a bad name. It was just one insulting comment. I guess this is the consequence of a chaotic common law system. Was it in the UK?
It would only be cyber bullying if these comments were posted directly on the cheaters' social media pages, and if they were of an intimidating or threatening nature.
Comments here, even if they are harsh or were disgustingly hateful, would not stand up in court as cyber bullying.
LOL! You can't be serious... If you actually believe there's nothing wrong with cheating or having an illicit affair, then I'm not sure what to tell you other than I don't ever want to have someone like you in my life.
"If she was a surgeon , what's the answer no surgeries for her; a detective close her cases?"
Are surgeons and detectives public figures that owe their careers to their fans? Your comparison is beyond ridiculous.
"He prob provided an ear to listen too, career guidance,money etc."
My friends, both male and female, provide an ear to listen, and I don't sleep with them. My sunbaes, teachers and professionals in my field have all provided valuable career guidance and advice; maybe I should have had affairs with them? As for the money, well, if you sleep with someone in exchange for money, that has a name: prostitution.
"Were you going to give that to her?"
Nope. Girls who have illicit affairs with married men deserve nothing. Absolutely nothing. I always stay away from this kind of girls.
"Was he forced to do what he did?"
Was she?
However, courts usually grant custody to mothers and the father still has to pay lots of money in alimony to his ex-wife, including the family house's mortgage (that the man has to leave), even when she remarries. That is not fair.
Said this, I truly sympathize with the wife and children in this case. They don't deserve this.
Thank you for your great explanation, and I agree with you on your last paragraph.
Said this, the backlash is truly commendable. Japanese society does indeed have its fair share of issues, but at least publicly shames and condemns such behaviors, unlike some sick Western societies.
Congratulations and best wishes to the couple!