Can you watch this without knowledge of Chinese history?
yes. just be warned you are going to be swamped with new characters and names at the beginning, and most of them are bearded men, so good luck (knowing history doesn't actually help lol, knowing the actors kind of make you less faceblind, that's about it).
It could be worse. At least the dialogue is quite modern and easy to understand. I know the Chinese viewers don't…
wasn't it cos you were waiting for your mum for a bit and stuff? also hahaha, cos of longxi, a lot of people are picking up three kingdoms (2010) and RoTK (1993) domestically too hahaha. Hope you have lots of fun with AA <3 Come and flail at any time :P
It could be worse. At least the dialogue is quite modern and easy to understand. I know the Chinese viewers don't…
his books have been sitting on my reading list but I got through webnovels through audiobook and light reading but never got to his lol. I mostly knew this from novel readers.
It could be worse. At least the dialogue is quite modern and easy to understand. I know the Chinese viewers don't…
It's fine for it to be vernacular Chinese, it's specifically rather modern terms that sort of pull people out, but I get the impression that's a Ma Boyong issue, because he wrote it like a cold war era spy flick lol.
What are the netizens up to? They're hating on Lu Yang?? 🤦 This is why I avoid Weibo these days. They can be…
they found his pacing kind of "flat", some of the shots are way too dark etc. I wouldn't call it toxic, just criticism, he's not the one getting critcised the most anyways.
Yeah I sense Liu Ling is not just some clingy airhead right? She seems to have psychological issues as well.
You can try reading the novel or listening to it if you want, it's called 我的锦衣卫大人, I found the female characters really different and portrayal of depression/ptsd + healing process actually believable so I loved it. Shijin is essentially a schemer, which is usually reserved for MLs, so I really liked it. She has to suffer more to be together with Shen Yi but it worked out okay. FL's dad is kind of terrible person in the novel as far as I remember, I can't remember if the prince actually becomes the emperor, but he's pretty good at being a cold blooded calculating figure at least.
Glad you liked FL and had lots of fun :D the drama did try to keep most stuff I think, but I also get when people complain that its core have been stripped :P
Yeah I sense Liu Ling is not just some clingy airhead right? She seems to have psychological issues as well.
In the novel, Liu Ling have survivor's guilt + ptsd that caused severe depression, with suicidal tendencies and at its worse, she hears and sees vision, which idk if it's from severe depression or if it's schizophrenic symptoms. The novel starts pretty much the same, Liu Ling is just aggressively chasing and Shen Yan is super stoic and going nope. It later reveals Liu Ling treat him like a life boat, I do think she was attracted to him, but I do get why some people think she's a distraction. Shen Yan think she sees him as distraction, he warns her to stop playing around, because he see throug hher somewhat.
The cliff scene is sort of novel's revelation scene, she was kidnapped yes, but she also wanted to die, and Shen Yan saw through it and saved her. Liu Ling is a rather contradictory character, she actually tries her hardest to live most of the time. Thus clinging onto Shen Yan, or pissing off her family cos they were terrible to her, but there's times she wants to give up fighting and the cliff is one of those times. Her relationship with Shen Yan is pretty unhealthy and dysfunctional. In the novel, her mother was murdered by stepmother (who's also her mum's real sister in the novel...it's messed up) and dad (i think i don't remember if he actively participated but he def wasn't innocent,) she always thought it was her fault, and these people keep feeding that thought to her which worsened her condition. Anyways, her character development wasn't really love cured all, it was coming to terms with her own past, and forgiving her past self, and being more at peace with society at large which I really really liked as a message, and it's a shame that's not so much a thing in the drama.
I also mentioned I really liked Liu Ling and Su Shijin's relationship. As you can probably guess, Liu Ling in the novel is more broody and vindictive. She doesn't actively go out to harm others, but she has no qualm fighting back if they step on her toes. Anyways they met each other when they were at their worst, just like in the drama, so they are actually reluctant to see each other, They are very likely to take jabs at each other every time they see each other, the drama actually says it too "it's like we see ourselves reflected back to us through each other". Their actions often make it seem like they dislike each other sometimes, Shijin have no qualm using Liu Ling if she needs to, and she knows Liu Ling would be mad but still understand. The most interesting thing is, despite this rather strange relationship and despite Shijin's biggest dream is to help the prince (she likes him in the novel), when it comes to what matters the most, Shijin would sacrifice everything for her, because "at least one of us should be happy". There's something precious and endearing when two girls who suffered and gone through so much, and are both super awkward hedgehog type are willing to do everything in their power to make sure each other are happy yknow.
I genuinely super love FL and SFL and both their character development and relatioships. I always throught it'd be difficult to adapt, because all the mental bagge is hard to get pass NRTA and hard to convey so people actually feel it. Since if you don't feel it, FL is just bratty and unreasonable, so unlikeable to the max.
Zheng Yecheng have two dramas upcoming that hopefully broaden the type of roles he gets
The drama actually kept a lot of original dialogues and content, it's sort of sprinkled everywhere and glossed over, so I get when people say it's changed a lot, but it also still make sense if you squint.
yeah it's less exciting opening than I expected, but second half of ep 1 at least established everyone's roles pretty quickly I guess. I'm super behind and still on ep 2, ah well I have a holiday coming up.
I'm thinking NRTA might not let him, but this has cctv 8 backing, maybe it can get away with it. Enemy (also cctv 8 drama) got away with more than I thought, especially for a modern espionage drama lackluster ending though. Chen Kun's wife? the actress is Sun Yi, never watched her dramas before, I know her as Dong Zijian's wife LOL.
Li Yan is apparently a real person, but I don't remember him at all from RoTK, good job me.
I gave the cast list to my brother, the resident three kingdoms lover, all the people he knows are at the back of the list, so like background people for the drama. Like that guy they murdered 10mins in (Ma Su) is real and Guo Huai (Guo Jingfei, haven't seen him yet I think?).
Bai Yu's character is called Xun Xu, I thought it was Xun Yu (this dude that Cao Cao really likes, he's played by Wang Jingsong in Advisor Alliance). Chen Kun's Chen Gong is also like "that looks familiar" but no it's the wrong Gong. Excuse me Ma Boyong! I think I'm going to fiercely wiki the time period over the weekened, even if it might not be much help.
*bows* thank you thank you, I'll be here all day :D
I've never actually seriously play the three kingdom games, but my brother and cousins sometimes talk about it LOL, I think I only played bits of it where they capture the cities and you try to put out fires and make sure a good officer is governing it. But anyways.....
Cao Cao basically could have been emperor if he didn't care so much about bloodless transition of the throne/his reputation in history. I think we talked about it before, Sima Yi only "won" cos he lived for way too long hahahaha, and even then it took like 30 years and it was his grandkid that did it.
I'm not super familiar with three kingdoms but I think I'm decent and I struggle with some of these characters. it's fine, Ma Boyong probably made up stuff.
if it's any comfort, I've been told she filmed 10 days out of 100 days filming, Sun Yi's role should be bigger than hers, female characters are almost always irrelevant in three kingdoms dramas/movies.
Zhuge Liang is result of the biggest fanfic of three kingdoms cementing him as the hero + smart strategist I guess? Honestly if you play any three kingdoms games, you basically realise Cao Cao was on a sure win half the time, and Liu Bei shouldn't have been able to rise under his nose, but he did, and RoTK basically say Zhuge Liang is the reason (idk about real history).
I'm not huge on the first episode, it's not very attention grabbing, the dialogues are bad for me to only semi pay attention. So many bearded men, thankfully I know like half the cast.
It's weird they picked such a weird time for three kingdoms? It's after both Liu Bei and Cao Cao dies, so basically when romance of three kingdoms almost stop being interesting (which is when Zhuge Liang dies, he's still here at least). I guess it gives more room for artistic license cos it's not so well known? Lesser known three kingdom period x espionage is kind of odd combo.
Thank god they lightened the filter a bit for broadcast!
Could you give a summary since I won't be reading the novel?
shijin and liu ling are close, just really dysfunctional relationship, it's actually one of my favourite relationship because despite all the hardship they went through and their prickly or guarded personality due to upbringing, they'do everything in their power to make sure each other are happy. most of liu ling's relationships are dysfunctional due to her family background + mental issues.
they kept most of the important dialogues but sort of glossed over a lot of the bits so stuff doesn't make sense. (shen yan implies he see through her playing around attitude in the beginning for example)
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Glad you liked FL and had lots of fun :D the drama did try to keep most stuff I think, but I also get when people complain that its core have been stripped :P
The cliff scene is sort of novel's revelation scene, she was kidnapped yes, but she also wanted to die, and Shen Yan saw through it and saved her. Liu Ling is a rather contradictory character, she actually tries her hardest to live most of the time. Thus clinging onto Shen Yan, or pissing off her family cos they were terrible to her, but there's times she wants to give up fighting and the cliff is one of those times. Her relationship with Shen Yan is pretty unhealthy and dysfunctional. In the novel, her mother was murdered by stepmother (who's also her mum's real sister in the novel...it's messed up) and dad (i think i don't remember if he actively participated but he def wasn't innocent,) she always thought it was her fault, and these people keep feeding that thought to her which worsened her condition. Anyways, her character development wasn't really love cured all, it was coming to terms with her own past, and forgiving her past self, and being more at peace with society at large which I really really liked as a message, and it's a shame that's not so much a thing in the drama.
I also mentioned I really liked Liu Ling and Su Shijin's relationship. As you can probably guess, Liu Ling in the novel is more broody and vindictive. She doesn't actively go out to harm others, but she has no qualm fighting back if they step on her toes. Anyways they met each other when they were at their worst, just like in the drama, so they are actually reluctant to see each other, They are very likely to take jabs at each other every time they see each other, the drama actually says it too "it's like we see ourselves reflected back to us through each other". Their actions often make it seem like they dislike each other sometimes, Shijin have no qualm using Liu Ling if she needs to, and she knows Liu Ling would be mad but still understand. The most interesting thing is, despite this rather strange relationship and despite Shijin's biggest dream is to help the prince (she likes him in the novel), when it comes to what matters the most, Shijin would sacrifice everything for her, because "at least one of us should be happy". There's something precious and endearing when two girls who suffered and gone through so much, and are both super awkward hedgehog type are willing to do everything in their power to make sure each other are happy yknow.
I genuinely super love FL and SFL and both their character development and relatioships. I always throught it'd be difficult to adapt, because all the mental bagge is hard to get pass NRTA and hard to convey so people actually feel it. Since if you don't feel it, FL is just bratty and unreasonable, so unlikeable to the max.
The drama actually kept a lot of original dialogues and content, it's sort of sprinkled everywhere and glossed over, so I get when people say it's changed a lot, but it also still make sense if you squint.
Li Yan is apparently a real person, but I don't remember him at all from RoTK, good job me.
I don't remember Li Yan at all omg.
Bai Yu's character is called Xun Xu, I thought it was Xun Yu (this dude that Cao Cao really likes, he's played by Wang Jingsong in Advisor Alliance). Chen Kun's Chen Gong is also like "that looks familiar" but no it's the wrong Gong. Excuse me Ma Boyong! I think I'm going to fiercely wiki the time period over the weekened, even if it might not be much help.
I've never actually seriously play the three kingdom games, but my brother and cousins sometimes talk about it LOL, I think I only played bits of it where they capture the cities and you try to put out fires and make sure a good officer is governing it. But anyways.....
Cao Cao basically could have been emperor if he didn't care so much about bloodless transition of the throne/his reputation in history. I think we talked about it before, Sima Yi only "won" cos he lived for way too long hahahaha, and even then it took like 30 years and it was his grandkid that did it.
I'm not super familiar with three kingdoms but I think I'm decent and I struggle with some of these characters. it's fine, Ma Boyong probably made up stuff.
Zhuge Liang is result of the biggest fanfic of three kingdoms cementing him as the hero + smart strategist I guess? Honestly if you play any three kingdoms games, you basically realise Cao Cao was on a sure win half the time, and Liu Bei shouldn't have been able to rise under his nose, but he did, and RoTK basically say Zhuge Liang is the reason (idk about real history).
It's weird they picked such a weird time for three kingdoms? It's after both Liu Bei and Cao Cao dies, so basically when romance of three kingdoms almost stop being interesting (which is when Zhuge Liang dies, he's still here at least). I guess it gives more room for artistic license cos it's not so well known? Lesser known three kingdom period x espionage is kind of odd combo.
Thank god they lightened the filter a bit for broadcast!
they kept most of the important dialogues but sort of glossed over a lot of the bits so stuff doesn't make sense. (shen yan implies he see through her playing around attitude in the beginning for example)