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You keep accusing me of missing your point and then proceeded to write exactly what I spelled out in different words: Nalin addressed how having that mentor-mentee relationship was probably a bad idea and that's how the show pointed out that IT WAS IN FACT the wrong teaching approach and doesn't turn a blind eye to it. If you don't think that that means the show cares to address issues such as inappropriate relationships then idek. Plus: I'm sorry but by mentioning Som, did you really just compare adult content work to an emotional attachment between teacher and student?? If I may add: I personally didn't find your example of blowing smoke in Belle's face seductive, but rather provoking, since Nalin is clearly trying to disprove Belle's point of Nalin being like all the other teachers. Nalin tried to show Belle her boundaries. But that one is up to interpretation, I guess. I saw it as provocation.

We just have completely different viewpoints on the matter of whether or not it was justified/ needed that the show dared to show these things. I already made my standpoint clear: Yes, I think it was important that we got to see this strange relationship bc we need to confront ourselves with these things and the show should -- in the form of Nalin admitting that what she did was wrong -- address that it WAS wrong for her to do all that. Because imo we need to see even the ugly things, so if a series decided to show that, that'd be okay with me, as long as they make it clear that what happened was not alright. If you want a sweet and conventional little love story with no inappropriate themes at all, then maybe you shouldn't have chosen a show that advertised their daring approach.... anyhow, we expected different things from the show.

That's about it. You didn't want to see that relationship, while I thought it's an important lesson as well as social and psychological issue that deserves to be addressed in the media.
I'm gonna leave this conversation bc I feel like we will both just end up annoyed with each other. I can tell by your "oh wise one" that you're miffed over my response. Still, I'm trying to stay polite here and keep this a friendly discussion bc I think that's only right :)

I think the relationship between Nalin and Belle is definitely special, since they care about each other but since there's that power dynamic of teacher-student it's pretty much a no-go. I think the show still wants to push BelleEarn and Nalin with her ex, which I'm personally a big fan of and very excited about how it will turn out! The adultery part is not that cute, but it's Shades, so it's expected to get messy hahah

Ohh I keep having this conversation where one person is indeed very heated about the whole Nalin situation. Some people apparently ship Nalin and Belle. Personally I'm still thinking we'll get BelleEarn for s2 as shown, but apparently there's a whole debate on Nalin's morals.

First of all, I never claimed to be a writer, but even if I weren't (which is only partly true since I had to write a novel to get my diploma) it wouldn't make my statement less valuable. Second, I think storytelling can have many different approaches and I think the show is very daring and decided to show what a student-teacher-relationship can look like in a situation where the teacher is closer in age to the students and is trying to give up the strategies of an authoritative pedagogy. Which is probably what you deemed as inappropriate since Nalin tried to be on a more friendly level. My guess is, that bc specifically in Belle's case, since she's always struggled with parental or authority figures, she never really could categorise how she felt about Nalin, since Nalin didn't resemble other authority figures she'd met in the past. When those factors come into play, it makes it harder for Belle to understand her own feelings towards her teacher. Isn't that what's bothering you? That power dynamic? That's precisely bc the show dared to show an unconventional teacher, but imo that isn't enough to label it as inappropriate since that power dynamic was later on addressed by Nalin herself. Neither do I think they're encouraging pedophilic tendencies solely because of that. But I guess you and I see that differently.

I personally see a show that depicts human beings that make errors and are far from perfect but not criminal. If fans decide to ship that, that's on them. Therefore I think viewers' discretion is still relevant. If you see that differently then that's that. I just wanted to state my personal viewpoint. If our opinions don't align with others' on this website then I think it's still important to be polite with each other. I guess that's where some of us don't see eye to eye. That's all. I'm tired of discussing this further. I hope you can enjoy the rest of the show, though :)

I do know what I'm talking about. My major in uni is psychology and my minor is pop culture with media analysis. I very well know what I'm talking about. If you don't understand my standpoint and the whole reason for viewers' discretion then at this point, I don't know what to tell you. You have your opinion, I have mine. I'll just leave it at that.

At this point I'm genuinely thinking you don't understand what I'm saying. I never said we should support racist or pedophilic figures irl or fiction?? What did you read in my comment that to deduct that?? I just meant that at the end of the day we shouldn't get riled up over someone shipping two fictional characters, I mean they're not lawfully comitting/ supporting PDF, so why insult someone online over that?

I explained that the show did NOT encourage the viewers to ship Belle and Nalin, they created conflict and posed the question of morale. That was the whole point: to prove Nalin's principles and thereby using the plot device of Belle approaching her. Never did the show ENCOURAGE or SUPPORT the shipping. That one is on the viewers themselves, hence the RAIKANTOPENI opening with VIEWERS' DISCRETION.
The plot relied on this critical question of "how should a student-teacher-relationship look and where is the line?" and in this scenario specifically "did or would Nalin ever cross that line, despite her upstanding morale?" That was the point and if you didn't get that, then maybe take a literature class to further your media literacy.

I'm quite done explaining the whole story structure to you, just for you to call every person in this comment section a PDF or PDF supporters smh. I'm tired of this conversation going nowhere. Have a nice day.

The show never painted Nalin and Belle as the ideal couple, they even clearly showed that Nalin is against PDF. So why would the show cancel that out again by showing NalinBelle?? If you're referring to the moment where it's unclear whether or not Nalin is going to act on Belle's advances, that is LITERALLY a plot device. That's the suspension for us to see whether or not Nalin is a truly principled person, which, turns out, she is. So I don't see how the show PROMOTES the pedophilia at all? They're just mentioning it. Also, Idk if the person deleted the comment but I can't see who said they're an adult attracted to teenagers so...?

And btw in every fandom there will be ppl who ship characters that shouldn't be together and ofc irl that wouldn't be alright, but at the end of the day, this is all fiction and we should just get on with our lives. It's important to call PDFs out irl, but over a fan discussion on a MDL page... anyway, we seem to have different standpoints on how to interact with fellow users on this page. That's fine.

I'm so damn exciteddd!! I've rewatched s1 three times and now we're told to "stay june" so we can probably hope to get a teaser or trailer this month maybe heheh

I'm not saying we shouldn't fight against it bc WE SHOULD, but not showing the ugly underbelly of our world and denying that things like pedophilia, misogyny, any form of violence etc. etc. exist, would be lying to ourselves. So, imo it's realistic to show even the ugly things, bc art and media are supposed to make ppl think and it's supposed to be controversial, not pretty and amazing all the time. That's the true purpose: it's supposed to make ppl rethink societal norms and structures.
So I think by criticising a series for doing exactly that and then calling someone who just commented on that a PDF is not the right approach here in my honest opinion. Also, I never mentioned that we should let ppl say slurs?? WTH

IKR when I was anticipating the release of Shades I already knew it was gonna be a banger, but I thought there'd be a bigger audience tbh. I hope more people will see this show so that other companies can follow this standard!

I was right to wait for this the whole time. Shades didn't disappoint until the end of s1 wowww I can't wait for part 2

I NEED JANENANO LIKE RIGHT NOW. (Also, on a side note: everyone is caring about Nalin and Belle but I see no one gaf about Amy and Sophie and whatshername lmao what's going on??)

I swear it keeps me on the edge of my seat on the brink of insanity like HOW ON EARTH can I not know what to expect next week??

IKR she shared all the secrets and started the drama like bitch GTFO??

While I think it's 100% wrong to ship an adult with a teenager, it is unfortunately part of the reality we live in and we should face even the shitty parts of it all :/ I wish they had included it less in this series, but still you calling some user a PDF on this website is taking it a bit too far imo, let's all just enjoy the series together without insulting

YASSS

IM SO DAMN HAPPY bc I NEEDED that second season viscerally

I'm so scared of what's to comeeee ahhhh

been eyeing this list for a while and it's soooo useful now omg thank you 🙏🏻

I'm not sure if Seven Seas already published a translation, but I know that someone did publish it officially, but as far as I remember the one on NU is not too bad actually :) edit: Hai Tang Books apparently has one