But why does that affect the airing date? I can understand if they were still filming because obviously they can't…
It's maybe because they won't be able to promote it like it was planned. Maybe they have contracts with some brands, so they have no choice to postpone the series if they are obligated to do the events.
8 years aint a big age gap....u would be suprised how many couples with 15-20 years age gap exist
It's a rape if Yongjie didn't stop, it's not a rape if Yongjie stopped when the camera stopped. It won't be the first time that we are tricked to believe in something only to find later that's what not what we thought, that's why I'm still hoping it was not a rape. If Yongjie stopped and didn't rape Xingsi, but still makes him believe the contrary, it can be because he needs Xingsi to be convinced it happened because he can't lie to their parents.
It's a twisted logic, but Yongjie is twisted so... Their dad has a soft spot for Yongjie because of his condition. He always tries to understand him and find excuses because Yongjie can't connect with emotions normally. The family knows Yongjie is messed up but they don't really hold it against him since he has always been liked this. Their parents are not really surprised when Yongjie said he went for a walk and attacked someone. Somehow, they kinda expect him to not lead a normal life.
In the other hand, Xingsi has this image of the perfect son and I think that's why he is afraid to come out to his dad, especially since he bears the responsability to start a family (I don't think their parents have this expectation about Yongjie). That's why he left the house, because he can't bear to let his dad know about his sexuality and become a disappointment.
If Xingsi is the one to approach Yongjie, if is the one seducing his little bro, his dad will never accept it. But if Yongjie takes the responsability for that, if he shows that it was what he wanted, and that he didn't give a choice to Xingsi and carefully planned everything, then their dad can't really hold it against Xingsi who was trapped.
Since Yongjie is obsessed with Xingsi, he can also argue that being with Xingsi is the closest way for him to lead a normal life, since Xingsi is the only one he listens to (when he is not dead set to put him in his bed...). And maybe their parents will hope Xingsi will have a positive influence over him.
And maybe Yongjie will use the "I will take responsabilty for what I've done and swear to make him happy if you allow us to be together. And it's better to keep your 2 sons than losing them both" card.
And just to be clear: that's not because I wrote that that it means I agree with it. I'm just trying to find a logic in Yongjie's twisted actions.
Can you give me a time stamp to the rape? Usually rape involves a lack of exchanging expressions of deep love…
Did you even read what I wrote before? Or do you just forget details that don't fit your stance because you have no valid arguments?
You are no one to judge someone's ordeal. What's really comical and absurd is that you seem to think you know everything about what happened, as if you were there, while you just read a few lines about what happened and forget conveniently some parts. But still, you want to impose your view.
If you would just try to listen to people, without judging them and imposing your view on them, you may be able to realize not everything fit your view of the world ;). But that's probably less thrilling for you than doing victim blaming.
Anyway, this dicussion is dragging & going in circles, please find someone else to kill the time. Thanks :)
Can you give me a time stamp to the rape? Usually rape involves a lack of exchanging expressions of deep love…
Yes, sure, Yongjie seems so reliable, let's trust blindly everything he said. He can make it up for making his brother believe that, in a "we already did it anyway, what's in the past is in the past, so why not dating?" twisted logic. You said it, people lies all the time, why not him?
Just on the last messages, you used "irrationnal" and doubting my friend even exists. I barely write comments, so when I write one, it's because I have something to say. I do not need Internet for boosting my ego, so why should I make things up? Maybe you like to do that, I don't know, but that's not my thing.
Are you seeing the world in a black and white fashion? If I keep watching a 1 hour show it means I'm enjoying the rape scene? What twisted logic is it? Or the only enjoyable thing in the episode for you was to watch a rape? What about the main couple, they don't matter? I'm mainly watching the show for Teng Teng And and as I said before, I want to know why writers decided to show a rape in a show that started like a comedy + I'm still hoping Yongjie stopped right after and is lying. I really don't understand why you need to twist my words and looking for weird reasons.
Can you give me a time stamp to the rape? Usually rape involves a lack of exchanging expressions of deep love…
You are saying my friend is insulting "every person who has ever actually been raped"? You are, not her. You are dismissing her rape because it does not fit your definition, but that doesn't mean it was not a rape. Do you know so many people have been raped the same way? But of course, that's not the cases you will hear about in the news, because it lacks of sensationnal. Pressuring someone to the point that the only escape is giving up, it's rape. And blaming victims, yeah, great job.
And again: who are you to say "you are a real victim", "you are not a victim"?
Since I'm not using my mother tongue for replying to you, I can guarantee my brain is there and fuctionnal. But I'm still looking for your heart.
Can you give me a time stamp to the rape? Usually rape involves a lack of exchanging expressions of deep love…
Another reply from you, and you judge me again, you are on a roll. After suspecting me of being a liar, you call me a social justice warrior, you are too kind.
Why should I stop watching? In fictions, the problem is not the rape, it's what the authors do with it, and for that, I have to keep watching. And I'm still hoping Yongjie stopped right after the scene was cut.
Can you give me a time stamp to the rape? Usually rape involves a lack of exchanging expressions of deep love…
Who do you think you are to judge if someone REAL was raped or not? How can you judge a situation and blame everything on the victim just based on a few lines? And why do you even have to judge a situation which does not concern yourself? Do you think it's easy or fun to recognize you have been raped, especially by someone you cared about?
And yes, my friend exists. Do you think it's fun to invent a best friend being raped? I just shared her story -with her consent- for showing that rape does not only happen in car parks late at night.
Rape is forcing someone to have sex, and a stolen yes is not a real yes, what's so hard to understand about that? You probably watched too many BL if you can't even understand something so basic.
8 years aint a big age gap....u would be suprised how many couples with 15-20 years age gap exist
Xingsi has not an authority position over Youngjie, it's the other way around.
Xingsi can't really say no to his baby brother and Youngjie knows that too well. When Xingsi doesn't want to share a bed, Youngjie kept insisting until Xingsi gave in. It's not because Xingsi is older that it means he controls Youngjie or can't be manipulated by him. Youngjie plans his life with Xingsi from years, by not taking the same family name, saving money, etc. He even planned to rape his brother...!
And I'm pretty sure Youngjie will use the rape to make their dad angry at him and not at Xingsi, by showing it was him who initiated that thing between them, that he did not give a choice to his brother.
Can you give me a time stamp to the rape? Usually rape involves a lack of exchanging expressions of deep love…
I do not agree with you. From what I saw, Xingsi is clearly not realizing what he is saying. He is half asleep and totally drunk. He seems in a haze, half dreaming, not realizing what's going on. If you are drunk and someone kisses you, your body can reciprocate by habit, not because you want to do it with that person in particular. Do you see how devastated Yongjie was the day after, when he realized he touched his baby bro? He is supposed to protect him, not to jump him. And it's not a "oh no, I fucked my brother I was lusting for for ages, I'm such a bad person" situation.
And about "Do you think he was oblivious to his brother's desire when he was necking him? How about when Young Jie went down on him? Was he still confused?". YES he was confused. When you are drunk, your thoughts are all over the place. You can jump to a subject to another. Xingsi can talk to his brother but when he feels someone touching him, it doesn't mean he know it's his brother.
Xingsi never shown he was attracted by his brother, not even once. It's not because he is gay and that he is brotherly affectionate with Yongjie that it means he wants to fuck him. Every time Yongjie shows love towards Xingsi, Xingsi only takes it as brotherly love. He knows his brother has issues, but I can't see him even considerating that his brother has feelings for him, that's why he is so puzzled everytime Yongjie is being tactile with him, not because he is flustered or arroused by him.
You asked me when Xingsi said his feelings were platonic? Well, just every single time. Or do you consider confessing your romantic love to your brother is something so casual that you will do it with a smile on your face?
Brothers can't share a bed? Why? They are brothers! Friends can share a bed so why not brothers? Here, Xingsi is reluctant because his brother has been weirdly tactile with him lately, and somehow, it's bugging him even if he doesn't understand what's going on with his brother.
About driving under influence, yes the person who took their car for going to a bar knowing they will get heavily drunk is responsible if they kill someone with their car on they way back home. No one forced them to go to the bar, or to drive there/back.
Xingsi drank a lot but Yongjie's drinks were pretty strong, so Xingsi probably didn't intend to get this drunk. And even if he wanted to be wasted, it doesn't mean he wanted his brother to rape him.
My best friend got raped by her close friend when she was 25. She was having a movie night at her home since they both loved Korean movies, like they did many times before, without any ambiguity. That night, out of the blue, the guy suddenly said he loved her, but she said he was a just friend for her. The guy started to make her feel guilty, and kept asking her to give in. He even started to cry, just to manipulate her, not even once considerating her feelings. In the end she said yes because she didn't know how to stop that (it was late at night in winter, the guy was living far away, and since he was her friend, she couldn't just throw him away), but she didn't wan't to do it. You can be raped even when you are an adult, even when the guy is the same age and even if he is a friend.
The brothers? I was thinking of them as the first couple. The cartoon couple are more or less together already,…
What about the rape part? Why people are only bothered by the fact they are step brothers by law but not by the fact the younger brother is manipulative as hell and planned carefully his brother's rape as his 20th birthday gift?
Can you give me a time stamp to the rape? Usually rape involves a lack of exchanging expressions of deep love…
I really wonder if we watched the same show. Xingsi is clearly drunk and doesn't realize what's happening. It's not because he kinda knows he is talking to his brother that it means he realize what's happening with him. When you are drunk, you can't focus or reason properly. If Xingsi really wanted to sleep with his brother, he would have been active during the act. Here, it's clearly shown that he can barely move an arm. Is it how consensual sex is supposed to happen? In the best scenario, Xingsi thought he was dreaming and was thinking about someone else.
And where did you see Xingsi have romantic feelings for Yongjie? He clearly sees him as his little baby bro that he has to protect and he can't say no to him. But that doesn't mean he want to say yes for sex. When he said he loves him too, it was definitely brotherly love. And no, he doesn't seem aware of his brother's romantinc feelings for him. You can see Xingsi is totally puzzled when Yongjie is being touchy with him and he doesn't know what to think of it. And everytime Yongjie said he liked him, Xingsi automatically thinks it's brotherly love.
And no, rape is not always violent and/or with strangers. It can happen in a safe place, a place you call home, with your boyfriend/husband, best friend, even with your sexfriend. And making a difference between minors and adults is invalidating all rape victims who are adults. It's not because you are over 18 that you can magically say no, especially if you are in state of shock. And the way you BLAME EVERYTHING on Xingsi is just victim blaming and contributes to rape culture.
There's an alternative ending in which he lives. They both appear as a couple (though only for a few seconds)…
Ok :). I think they intended to do that from the start since they said a long time ago HIStory series will never get a sad ending. In fact, it's really smart to add a happy ending in the novel. Since the novel was released after the series, fans had to buy it for getting the happy ending. And now, it gives them the perfect reason for making another season (not complaining here~). I just wish we could have official announcement on HIStory official accounts (unless I missed that).
this website has many official links and I want to share it with as many people as possible.https://world-of-bl.com/
You also have BL France. Even if it's in French, they share official links with ENG SUBS ^^. And they also have Index series, Index actors, Index for upcoming series, weekly plannings, and more : https://boyslovefrance.wordpress.com/
It's a twisted logic, but Yongjie is twisted so... Their dad has a soft spot for Yongjie because of his condition. He always tries to understand him and find excuses because Yongjie can't connect with emotions normally. The family knows Yongjie is messed up but they don't really hold it against him since he has always been liked this. Their parents are not really surprised when Yongjie said he went for a walk and attacked someone. Somehow, they kinda expect him to not lead a normal life.
In the other hand, Xingsi has this image of the perfect son and I think that's why he is afraid to come out to his dad, especially since he bears the responsability to start a family (I don't think their parents have this expectation about Yongjie). That's why he left the house, because he can't bear to let his dad know about his sexuality and become a disappointment.
If Xingsi is the one to approach Yongjie, if is the one seducing his little bro, his dad will never accept it. But if Yongjie takes the responsability for that, if he shows that it was what he wanted, and that he didn't give a choice to Xingsi and carefully planned everything, then their dad can't really hold it against Xingsi who was trapped.
Since Yongjie is obsessed with Xingsi, he can also argue that being with Xingsi is the closest way for him to lead a normal life, since Xingsi is the only one he listens to (when he is not dead set to put him in his bed...). And maybe their parents will hope Xingsi will have a positive influence over him.
And maybe Yongjie will use the "I will take responsabilty for what I've done and swear to make him happy if you allow us to be together. And it's better to keep your 2 sons than losing them both" card.
And just to be clear: that's not because I wrote that that it means I agree with it. I'm just trying to find a logic in Yongjie's twisted actions.
You are no one to judge someone's ordeal. What's really comical and absurd is that you seem to think you know everything about what happened, as if you were there, while you just read a few lines about what happened and forget conveniently some parts. But still, you want to impose your view.
If you would just try to listen to people, without judging them and imposing your view on them, you may be able to realize not everything fit your view of the world ;). But that's probably less thrilling for you than doing victim blaming.
Anyway, this dicussion is dragging & going in circles, please find someone else to kill the time. Thanks :)
Just on the last messages, you used "irrationnal" and doubting my friend even exists. I barely write comments, so when I write one, it's because I have something to say. I do not need Internet for boosting my ego, so why should I make things up? Maybe you like to do that, I don't know, but that's not my thing.
Are you seeing the world in a black and white fashion? If I keep watching a 1 hour show it means I'm enjoying the rape scene? What twisted logic is it? Or the only enjoyable thing in the episode for you was to watch a rape? What about the main couple, they don't matter? I'm mainly watching the show for Teng Teng And and as I said before, I want to know why writers decided to show a rape in a show that started like a comedy + I'm still hoping Yongjie stopped right after and is lying. I really don't understand why you need to twist my words and looking for weird reasons.
And again: who are you to say "you are a real victim", "you are not a victim"?
Since I'm not using my mother tongue for replying to you, I can guarantee my brain is there and fuctionnal. But I'm still looking for your heart.
Why should I stop watching? In fictions, the problem is not the rape, it's what the authors do with it, and for that, I have to keep watching. And I'm still hoping Yongjie stopped right after the scene was cut.
And yes, my friend exists. Do you think it's fun to invent a best friend being raped? I just shared her story -with her consent- for showing that rape does not only happen in car parks late at night.
Rape is forcing someone to have sex, and a stolen yes is not a real yes, what's so hard to understand about that? You probably watched too many BL if you can't even understand something so basic.
Please buy a heart before replying to me, thanks.
Xingsi can't really say no to his baby brother and Youngjie knows that too well. When Xingsi doesn't want to share a bed, Youngjie kept insisting until Xingsi gave in. It's not because Xingsi is older that it means he controls Youngjie or can't be manipulated by him. Youngjie plans his life with Xingsi from years, by not taking the same family name, saving money, etc. He even planned to rape his brother...!
And I'm pretty sure Youngjie will use the rape to make their dad angry at him and not at Xingsi, by showing it was him who initiated that thing between them, that he did not give a choice to his brother.
And about "Do you think he was oblivious to his brother's desire when he was necking him? How about when Young Jie went down on him? Was he still confused?". YES he was confused. When you are drunk, your thoughts are all over the place. You can jump to a subject to another. Xingsi can talk to his brother but when he feels someone touching him, it doesn't mean he know it's his brother.
Xingsi never shown he was attracted by his brother, not even once. It's not because he is gay and that he is brotherly affectionate with Yongjie that it means he wants to fuck him. Every time Yongjie shows love towards Xingsi, Xingsi only takes it as brotherly love. He knows his brother has issues, but I can't see him even considerating that his brother has feelings for him, that's why he is so puzzled everytime Yongjie is being tactile with him, not because he is flustered or arroused by him.
You asked me when Xingsi said his feelings were platonic? Well, just every single time. Or do you consider confessing your romantic love to your brother is something so casual that you will do it with a smile on your face?
Brothers can't share a bed? Why? They are brothers! Friends can share a bed so why not brothers? Here, Xingsi is reluctant because his brother has been weirdly tactile with him lately, and somehow, it's bugging him even if he doesn't understand what's going on with his brother.
About driving under influence, yes the person who took their car for going to a bar knowing they will get heavily drunk is responsible if they kill someone with their car on they way back home. No one forced them to go to the bar, or to drive there/back.
Xingsi drank a lot but Yongjie's drinks were pretty strong, so Xingsi probably didn't intend to get this drunk. And even if he wanted to be wasted, it doesn't mean he wanted his brother to rape him.
My best friend got raped by her close friend when she was 25. She was having a movie night at her home since they both loved Korean movies, like they did many times before, without any ambiguity. That night, out of the blue, the guy suddenly said he loved her, but she said he was a just friend for her. The guy started to make her feel guilty, and kept asking her to give in. He even started to cry, just to manipulate her, not even once considerating her feelings. In the end she said yes because she didn't know how to stop that (it was late at night in winter, the guy was living far away, and since he was her friend, she couldn't just throw him away), but she didn't wan't to do it. You can be raped even when you are an adult, even when the guy is the same age and even if he is a friend.
And where did you see Xingsi have romantic feelings for Yongjie? He clearly sees him as his little baby bro that he has to protect and he can't say no to him. But that doesn't mean he want to say yes for sex. When he said he loves him too, it was definitely brotherly love. And no, he doesn't seem aware of his brother's romantinc feelings for him. You can see Xingsi is totally puzzled when Yongjie is being touchy with him and he doesn't know what to think of it. And everytime Yongjie said he liked him, Xingsi automatically thinks it's brotherly love.
And no, rape is not always violent and/or with strangers. It can happen in a safe place, a place you call home, with your boyfriend/husband, best friend, even with your sexfriend. And making a difference between minors and adults is invalidating all rape victims who are adults. It's not because you are over 18 that you can magically say no, especially if you are in state of shock. And the way you BLAME EVERYTHING on Xingsi is just victim blaming and contributes to rape culture.