that actor does not fit for the role "shu", shu or jade faced ghost is emotionless like stone, cold , deep blood feud character from manhua and anime but that actor cannot fit for the roll. Now that Yuen Woo Ping has already selected him for the role, nothing can happen now.
I fully concur! Please, write a public review, so more people can read it. It's hidden here. Maybe if more people…
Writing won't change anything either. Society doesn't want to accept HARD Thing; people want to live in their dreams. For them, face value, a beautiful wife, a beautiful face , HANDSOME ,, ETC all these things matter. And since money is also being made from all this, no one will leave that safe place, understand?
Looking forward to this, candle in the tomb is my favorite tomb raiding series
yes, better than other tomb raiding series(other tomb raiding series Where people go to old places like tomb and fight, running... but somehow their makeup stays perfect and they don't sweat. Lol.)
I don't know why ppl look up to Jet Li as some kind of national hero. 1. He's know to badly hurt / physically…
People admire Jet Li for different reasons, and not all of what you said is true or fair.
Hurting stunt people: There’s no real evidence that Jet Li intentionally hurt stand-ins. That sounds more like an internet rumor. Hong Kong action films in the ‘80s and ‘90s were risky for everyone actors and stunt crews alike.
Divorce ≠ cheating: He did divorce his first wife, but calling it ‘cheating’ oversimplifies their personal life. Relationships end for many private reasons. It is true he divorced his first wife while she was pregnant, which he has publicly called his "fault". However, they had a formal agreement for their children's care, and he has worked to maintain relationships with all his daughters. And again regarding this matter concerning their personal lives, Jet Li's first wife, Huang Qiuyan, has never publicly expressed her displeasure about this issue. In fact, there are reports that she has continued to support him.
It's not necessary that someone born in China cannot live outside of China, and if they do live abroad, it doesn't mean they hate their homeland. Moving abroad ≠ betraying China: Many Chinese celebrities live overseas for family, career, or education. Jet Li has contributed to China through his films and charity work (like The One Foundation). Calling him a traitor ignores his ongoing cultural impact ,
You’re entitled to your opinion ,but keep your toxic patriotism to yourself. Patriotism shouldn’t mean spreading hate or false claims about someone’s character.
Yuen Woo-ping directed it, and Jet Li is in it, so I'll watch it without hesitation. Otherwise, most live-action adaptations of manhua are rubbish, full of excessive makeup, and instead of real action, they just throw in colorful CGI. The animation of this one is also very good.
Finally, I'm getting to see some proper manhua-based live-action adaptations. First, Twilight of Warriors, and now Blades of Guardians - Epic!
This is a Wuxia (historical fantasy) movie with Martial Arts element and not to be confuse with Kung Fu martial…
Regarding to chow yun fat he has knowledge about fight choreography and his body ( physicality) support his movement, for you knowledge highly skilled martial artist Zhang Jin OR MAX ZHANG (master z ip man legacy) during the filming of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Zhang Jin, who served as a body double for other actors and a martial arts instructor, was responsible for teaching Chow Yun-fat the specific movements, including Tai Chi and also Chow Yun-fat underwent intensive training to perform the sophisticated Sword Technique and wire-assisted movements under the guidance of the renowned choreographer Yuen Woo-ping .
Now, if you don't know about Yuen Yu Ping's training, let me tell you, Yuen Yu Ping trained actors who didn't know martial arts so intensively for his movies so that the choreography would be very good. Not only Yuen Yu Ping, there are many other choreographers who have done very good choreography with actors who didn't know martial arts. If you watch Tsui Hark's other movies, you will understand that the choreography of this movie is not very good compared to his other movie. And most asian female viewers like you don't watch anything except romantic , cute , handsome things, so these normal fights will seem very big to girls like you.
xiao zhan body much thin when he doing those kung fu stance looking so odd and funny( not only xiao zhan other idol or costume dramas acotrs and actress also) . For an actor to portray a powerful martial arts master, their physicality must suggest that capability. A physique that appears strong and conditioned supports the character's backstory as someone who has undergone rigorous training . This makes the character's skills more believable to the audience, even if the specific style is fictional.
Comparing Guo Jing to Superman is a false equivalence(I've read Jin Yong's novels long time ago. So Wiki won't be of any use to me.). Superman's power comes from solar radiation and alien biology. Guo Jing's power, as defined in Jin Yong's novel, comes from his mastery of specific, named fictional martial arts techniques the "Eighteen Subduing Dragon Palms" . The authenticity of these martial arts is fundamental to his character's identity in a way that it isn't for a superhero. The "Wu" (Martial Arts) in Wuxia is not optional; it's half of the genre's name.
Regarding Your Wikipedia Source , When director Ronny Yu says wuxia should not be confused with martial arts movies, he is distinguishing the stylized, chivalric fantasy of wuxia from the grounded, realistic combat of films like Bruce Lee's. He is not saying that martial arts skill is irrelevant. He is saying the style of the martial arts is different more poetic and exaggerated. This stylized movement still requires a deep understanding of martial arts principles to be executed with authenticity and power. It cannot be faked with wirework alone.
Again , Comparing Guo Jing to Superman is a false equivalence. Superman's power is alien biology. Guo Jing's power, as defined in Jin Yong's novel, comes from mastering specific, named fictional martial arts like the 'Eighteen Subduing Dragon Palms.' The martial arts are fundamental to his character's identity. Wuxia is 'historical fantasy,' but its fantasy is an extension of martial arts, not a replacement for it. Another thing is that fights depend a lot on the fight choreographer. If you watch any of Yuen Yu Ping's , corey yuen ,kenji tanigaki .... movies, you will see how high-level the fights are.
And you said above that I hate actors by making fake accounts, no I don't hate, I criticize actors like them. Martial arts are a core component of the Wuxia genre, so actors need to have knowledge of martial arts or they must be skilled in choreographed fighting(chow yun-fat), which is a distinct skill from actual martial arts and often requires "intensive training" with a production fight director. If those actors learn Gong Fu, train hard and do Wuxia movies, then those movies will be even better.
This is a Wuxia (historical fantasy) movie with Martial Arts element and not to be confuse with Kung Fu martial…
Listen, I'm not a fan of any kind of Cheng Yi or Feng Yi , and I don't watch any idol dramas or costume dramas. Trying to spin this into being about fandom is just a distraction from the fact that you cannot address the point I put forth.
My initial comment was centered on the objective reason as to why wuxia movies require an actors/actress who is trained and versed in martial arts. Instead of engaging in the matter of fact discussion, you wish to sidestep it by trying to turn it into a fan fight. lol.
Your reaction pretty much proved my initial point: that you criticize out of ignorance of these genres. When you can't speak about the art itself-things like the objective of choreography or genre conventions-you go for ad hominem attacks and cry 'fandom.' That speaks volumes about your knowledge of the subject, rather being a remark on mine." lol
This is a Wuxia (historical fantasy) movie with Martial Arts element and not to be confuse with Kung Fu martial…
You don't even know the meaning of Wuxia, Wuxia is not a fantasy, yes there are fantasy elements in Wuxia but Wuxia is not fantasy, "Wu" (武): Martial Arts and "Xia" (俠): Chivalry and Justice.
You Claim: "He can endure all the pain even better than a professional stuntman or a martial artist."
but Reality: Professional stuntmen and martial artists(lau kar leung, yuen woo ping, jackie chan , yuen biao....) train for years, often from childhood, to withstand extreme physical punishment as a core part of their job. They are the undisputed experts in pain endurance on a film set. An actor, no matter how dedicated, is a temporary visitor to that world.
and you say "he will hang from a wire all day without complaining", have you ever trained for Firefighters? No, you haven't. There too, you have to hang from a rope during training. I have training, so I'm saying, you have never practiced martial arts or know anything about martial arts choreography. I grew up watching Wuxia movies since I was little and I also learned martial arts, so I know that Wuxia movies require actors who know martial arts.
You're making a big deal about the fact that "Xiao Zhan hangs on a wire all day without complaining," but there's nothing extraordinary about that. Almost every actor in an action or wuxia movie has to do that; it's a basic part of the job. It's not something to be amazed by.
If you want to talk about real skill, look at legends like Lau Kar-leung. In Mad Monkey Kung Fu, he performed complete, authentic martial arts stunts. If you asked Xiao Zhan to do that kind of real martial arts, he will be blown away after seeing it lol
Another example is from a Tsui Hark film where Jet Li suffered an ankle fracture while choreographing a scene. Despite the injury, he still completed the choreography with his body double. That's the kind of next-level dedication and pain tolerance that defines a true martial arts star. What Xiao Zhan did is simply the minimum requirement.
This is exactly why for a true wuxia film, an actor/actress with a real martial arts foundation is essential. It's about the authenticity of the movement, not just the ability to tolerate a wire.
And regarding the series names you mentioned" The Untamed, Wolf, Jade Dynasty (movie), Doulou Continent(soul land) and The Longest Promise where he does all his wire fighting scene stunt and hardly use any body double. You should watch all those dramas and movie then you will know why he was selected for this role." There is no good martial arts anywhere in these shows; it's just slow wire-work, heavy makeup, and CGI. If you want to see what real wuxia fight choreography feels like, then watch Ang Lee's Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, followed by House of Flying Daggers, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon: Sword of Destiny, The Forbidden Kingdom, 36th Chamber of Shaolin, and Return of the One-Armed Swordsman.
Watch these movies and you will understand what is truly called wuxia, and why actors need genuine martial arts skills in wuxia films. If you don't understand even after watching, then what can I say? LOL.
Anyway, you guys in the Cdrama community are always focused on which actor is the most handsome, how much makeup he wears, how nice his costumes are, how rich he is blah blah and day dreaming. You are all idol worshippers. You don't know much about acting or art. You just see saturated CGI and declare, "He is the best representative for the younger generation of actors in China."
Anyway, series like Soul Land and The Untamed are from the xianxia genre, which doesn't require much brain power to understand. Stop daydreaming after watching all these idol dramas and costume nonsense dramas and watch some good drama which has acting, art, philosophy, science, psychology etc.
its been quite a while since there was a good wuxia, recent condor heroes from tsui hark was a let down, last…
Wu Jing has become something of the propaganda poster boy of Chinese cinema mostly in this big military epics he's been starring in this last few years. It looks like he also consider himself more of an serious actor (he lacks charisma I must say now just look at his role in Meg 2) and has forgotten about his martial arts past. He's still planning to make Wolf Warrior 3 ( not that the other 2 were any good...), And look, brother, you may worship big idol stars, but not everyone does that. To you, how much box office a movie has earned, how good-looking someone is, how much income they earn, all these things matter.
its been quite a while since there was a good wuxia, recent condor heroes from tsui hark was a let down, last…
Tsui Hark made a decent movie from a very good Wuxia novel , with an actor who doesn't know gong fu or martial arts That actor also trained in choreography and wore a fur guard so that his hands wouldn't get hurt, lol. Tsui Hark took that actor in the lead role to make his movie a box office hit, for Wuxia movies, actors should be taken who have trained or know martial arts, only then will the Wuxia movie be good.
Tsui Hark made a decent movie from a very good Wuxia novel whose actor doesn't know Gong Fu or martial arts. That actor also trained in choreography and wore a fur guard so that his hands wouldn't get hurt, lol. Those actors should learn martial arts. Tsui Hark took that actor in the lead role to make his movie a box office hit, for Wuxia movies, actors should be taken who have trained or know martial arts, only then will the Wuxia movie be good.
I saw the tag of martial arts above and also of wuxia, but where is martial arts in it? yes if you only call CGI as martial arts then Jet Li , yuen woo ping, lau kar leung...... they dont know anything.
Nothing special, just another crappy c-drama made from a good manhua, donghua. when young actors and actresses with no real martial arts background are cast in action roles. Their fight scenes, heavily reliant on CGI and body doubles, look unconvincing and often funny because their physicality doesn't match the movements. Even when they train, it's for a specific, safe style (like with guards on, example: Xiao Zhan in Tsui Hark movie) that lacks the raw, authentic feel of real combat . Remember the old school stuff? The fights choreography from guys like Bruce Lee or Jet Li, donnie yen, yuen yoo ping, lau kar leung, sammo hung, jackie chan, gordon uncle.... ? You could feel every hit. It was real. They trained for years to make it look that good.
The worst part is what they do to the original stories(i am talking about c-drama). They take these amazing books and comics, especially the wuxia ones with such deep stories, and turn them into this garbage. They strip out all the good stuff the philosophy, the complex characters and just add a bunch of lame romance or cgi , comedy and boring scenes.
I wish they'd just learn from the past. Learn from the real masters who cared about the art. It feels like nowadays they only care about money and looking trendy. They've forgotten what made these stories great in the first place. Filmmakers need to look back at the masters like Lau Kar-leung, Sammo Hung, Bruce Lee, Jet Li, and Yuen Woo-ping. Their films were legendary because they were built on a foundation of real, grueling training, practical stunts, and authentic martial arts. The focus was on skill, screen presence, and powerful story telling not just on being "so cute" or "so handsome."
Hurting stunt people: There’s no real evidence that Jet Li intentionally hurt stand-ins. That sounds more like an internet rumor. Hong Kong action films in the ‘80s and ‘90s were risky for everyone actors and stunt crews alike.
Divorce ≠ cheating: He did divorce his first wife, but calling it ‘cheating’ oversimplifies their personal life. Relationships end for many private reasons. It is true he divorced his first wife while she was pregnant, which he has publicly called his "fault". However, they had a formal agreement for their children's care, and he has worked to maintain relationships with all his daughters. And again regarding this matter concerning their personal lives, Jet Li's first wife, Huang Qiuyan, has never publicly expressed her displeasure about this issue. In fact, there are reports that she has continued to support him.
It's not necessary that someone born in China cannot live outside of China, and if they do live abroad, it doesn't mean they hate their homeland. Moving abroad ≠ betraying China: Many Chinese celebrities live overseas for family, career, or education. Jet Li has contributed to China through his films and charity work (like The One Foundation). Calling him a traitor ignores his ongoing cultural impact ,
You’re entitled to your opinion ,but keep your toxic patriotism to yourself. Patriotism shouldn’t mean spreading hate or false claims about someone’s character.
Finally, I'm getting to see some proper manhua-based live-action adaptations.
First, Twilight of Warriors, and now Blades of Guardians - Epic!
Now, if you don't know about Yuen Yu Ping's training, let me tell you, Yuen Yu Ping trained actors who didn't know martial arts so intensively for his movies so that the choreography would be very good. Not only Yuen Yu Ping, there are many other choreographers who have done very good choreography with actors who didn't know martial arts. If you watch Tsui Hark's other movies, you will understand that the choreography of this movie is not very good compared to his other movie. And most asian female viewers like you don't watch anything except romantic , cute , handsome things, so these normal fights will seem very big to girls like you.
xiao zhan body much thin when he doing those kung fu stance looking so odd and funny( not only xiao zhan other idol or costume dramas acotrs and actress also) . For an actor to portray a powerful martial arts master, their physicality must suggest that capability. A physique that appears strong and conditioned supports the character's backstory as someone who has undergone rigorous training . This makes the character's skills more believable to the audience, even if the specific style is fictional.
Comparing Guo Jing to Superman is a false equivalence(I've read Jin Yong's novels long time ago. So Wiki won't be of any use to me.). Superman's power comes from solar radiation and alien biology. Guo Jing's power, as defined in Jin Yong's novel, comes from his mastery of specific, named fictional martial arts techniques the "Eighteen Subduing Dragon Palms" . The authenticity of these martial arts is fundamental to his character's identity in a way that it isn't for a superhero. The "Wu" (Martial Arts) in Wuxia is not optional; it's half of the genre's name.
Regarding Your Wikipedia Source , When director Ronny Yu says wuxia should not be confused with martial arts movies, he is distinguishing the stylized, chivalric fantasy of wuxia from the grounded, realistic combat of films like Bruce Lee's. He is not saying that martial arts skill is irrelevant. He is saying the style of the martial arts is different more poetic and exaggerated. This stylized movement still requires a deep understanding of martial arts principles to be executed with authenticity and power. It cannot be faked with wirework alone.
Again , Comparing Guo Jing to Superman is a false equivalence. Superman's power is alien biology. Guo Jing's power, as defined in Jin Yong's novel, comes from mastering specific, named fictional martial arts like the 'Eighteen Subduing Dragon Palms.' The martial arts are fundamental to his character's identity. Wuxia is 'historical fantasy,' but its fantasy is an extension of martial arts, not a replacement for it. Another thing is that fights depend a lot on the fight choreographer. If you watch any of Yuen Yu Ping's , corey yuen ,kenji tanigaki .... movies, you will see how high-level the fights are.
And you said above that I hate actors by making fake accounts, no I don't hate, I criticize actors like them. Martial arts are a core component of the Wuxia genre, so actors need to have knowledge of martial arts or they must be skilled in choreographed fighting(chow yun-fat), which is a distinct skill from actual martial arts and often requires "intensive training" with a production fight director. If those actors learn Gong Fu, train hard and do Wuxia movies, then those movies will be even better.
My initial comment was centered on the objective reason as to why wuxia movies require an actors/actress who is trained and versed in martial arts. Instead of engaging in the matter of fact discussion, you wish to sidestep it by trying to turn it into a fan fight. lol.
Your reaction pretty much proved my initial point: that you criticize out of ignorance of these genres. When you can't speak about the art itself-things like the objective of choreography or genre conventions-you go for ad hominem attacks and cry 'fandom.' That speaks volumes about your knowledge of the subject, rather being a remark on mine." lol
You Claim: "He can endure all the pain even better than a professional stuntman or a martial artist."
but Reality: Professional stuntmen and martial artists(lau kar leung, yuen woo ping, jackie chan , yuen biao....) train for years, often from childhood, to withstand extreme physical punishment as a core part of their job. They are the undisputed experts in pain endurance on a film set. An actor, no matter how dedicated, is a temporary visitor to that world.
and you say "he will hang from a wire all day without complaining", have you ever trained for Firefighters? No, you haven't. There too, you have to hang from a rope during training. I have training, so I'm saying, you have never practiced martial arts or know anything about martial arts choreography. I grew up watching Wuxia movies since I was little and I also learned martial arts, so I know that Wuxia movies require actors who know martial arts.
You're making a big deal about the fact that "Xiao Zhan hangs on a wire all day without complaining," but there's nothing extraordinary about that. Almost every actor in an action or wuxia movie has to do that; it's a basic part of the job. It's not something to be amazed by.
If you want to talk about real skill, look at legends like Lau Kar-leung. In Mad Monkey Kung Fu, he performed complete, authentic martial arts stunts. If you asked Xiao Zhan to do that kind of real martial arts, he will be blown away after seeing it lol
Another example is from a Tsui Hark film where Jet Li suffered an ankle fracture while choreographing a scene. Despite the injury, he still completed the choreography with his body double. That's the kind of next-level dedication and pain tolerance that defines a true martial arts star. What Xiao Zhan did is simply the minimum requirement.
This is exactly why for a true wuxia film, an actor/actress with a real martial arts foundation is essential. It's about the authenticity of the movement, not just the ability to tolerate a wire.
And regarding the series names you mentioned" The Untamed, Wolf, Jade Dynasty (movie), Doulou Continent(soul land) and The Longest Promise where he does all his wire fighting scene stunt and hardly use any body double. You should watch all those dramas and movie then you will know why he was selected for this role."
There is no good martial arts anywhere in these shows; it's just slow wire-work, heavy makeup, and CGI. If you want to see what real wuxia fight choreography feels like, then watch Ang Lee's Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, followed by House of Flying Daggers, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon: Sword of Destiny, The Forbidden Kingdom, 36th Chamber of Shaolin, and Return of the One-Armed Swordsman.
Watch these movies and you will understand what is truly called wuxia, and why actors need genuine martial arts skills in wuxia films. If you don't understand even after watching, then what can I say? LOL.
Anyway, you guys in the Cdrama community are always focused on which actor is the most handsome, how much makeup he wears, how nice his costumes are, how rich he is blah blah and day dreaming. You are all idol worshippers. You don't know much about acting or art. You just see saturated CGI and declare, "He is the best representative for the younger generation of actors in China."
Anyway, series like Soul Land and The Untamed are from the xianxia genre, which doesn't require much brain power to understand. Stop daydreaming after watching all these idol dramas and costume nonsense dramas and watch some good drama which has acting, art, philosophy, science, psychology etc.
Nothing special, just another crappy c-drama made from a good manhua, donghua. when young actors and actresses with no real martial arts background are cast in action roles. Their fight scenes, heavily reliant on CGI and body doubles, look unconvincing and often funny because their physicality doesn't match the movements. Even when they train, it's for a specific, safe style (like with guards on, example: Xiao Zhan in Tsui Hark movie) that lacks the raw, authentic feel of real combat . Remember the old school stuff? The fights choreography from guys like Bruce Lee or Jet Li, donnie yen, yuen yoo ping, lau kar leung, sammo hung, jackie chan, gordon uncle.... ? You could feel every hit. It was real. They trained for years to make it look that good.
The worst part is what they do to the original stories(i am talking about c-drama). They take these amazing books and comics, especially the wuxia ones with such deep stories, and turn them into this garbage. They strip out all the good stuff the philosophy, the complex characters and just add a bunch of lame romance or cgi , comedy and boring scenes.
I wish they'd just learn from the past. Learn from the real masters who cared about the art. It feels like nowadays they only care about money and looking trendy. They've forgotten what made these stories great in the first place. Filmmakers need to look back at the masters like Lau Kar-leung, Sammo Hung, Bruce Lee, Jet Li, and Yuen Woo-ping. Their films were legendary because they were built on a foundation of real, grueling training, practical stunts, and authentic martial arts. The focus was on skill, screen presence, and powerful story telling not just on being "so cute" or "so handsome."