started yesterday morning finished it just now and haven't slept yet but it was worth it . last time i did a marathon was 5 years ago i just couldn't stopped myself from watching it and didn't go for work(called and said i'm sick :D ) now time to sleep XD
just copy others thoughts from https://kisskh.at/discussions/heavy-sweetness-ash-like-frost/34941-spoilers-collection-of-insightful-discussions-for-ashes-of-love
u made me agree to ur opinion now i think about it XF shouldn't have forgive jinmi
Erm, yeah, i cudnt forgive Jin mi for literally stabbing him in the back, to me every time she condemned or cried…
Concerning the Jin Mi redemption arc and Xu Feng's actions:-
Missnymeria on episode 54 & 55: "Some thoughts...
1* I know some people were bothered by the seemingly random side love story between Puchi and Sui He but I wasn't. There were hints of it from the beginning of the drama, and it also filled in some important plot points. First, it showed us the beginning of the Infamous Duo when Sui He manipulated her way into the Heavenly Empress' good graces. Also (and this is just my personal opinion), I felt that the writers used Puchi's declaration to mirror Xu Feng's current feelings that he cannot voice to anyone: namely that although Jin Mi hurt and killed him, he couldn't help but still love her.
2* I think the writers made it super clear that up to the Jin Mi/Sui He confrontation in the cave, Xu Feng was in love with Jin Mi (and was aware of it) and hadn't even really given up on her. He lashed out in different ways to hurt her in return and was a mess emotionally but he still desired her (he couldn't help stealing a kiss) and had no plans to marry anyone else, even to express gratitude. During the first part of the confrontation in the cave, he tried his best to get her to leave and only kept hurting her because she wouldn't give up on attacking Sui He. When he saw he wouldn't be able to make her leave, he resorted to the Phoenix feather to launch a final attack (this part is a bit shady because the feather was never described as a weapon before). That was when he was placed face to face with the true depth of his love for her in spite of everything and it shocked him. He knew he still had feeling s for her before this but here he had tangible proof of the extent of them. But the real blow came when Run Yu arrived to save Jin Mi. Seeing them together brought back the fact that they're a united front who successfully teamed up to kill him once already. This is when he really had to face what he probably calls his "stupidity".
3*The cave scene was the turning point for him. Believing Sui He in that moment was a matter of survival when it came to his sanity. He had no choice but to believe her in order to keep going or he would have ended up as dead as the first time, at least as far as he knew. That's when he changed his attitude and knew he had to sever all ties with Jin Mi in an irrevocable manner. Because I believe he kind of enjoyed torturing himself by purposefully letting her come seemingly unnoticed to the Demon Realm before. Each time he saw her he wavered and was stuck in this love/hate vicious circle. So he devised the cruelest way possible to hurt Jin Mi and ensure she would never come back to the Demon Realm. He deliberately used her petal to create the garden scene and carefully orchestrated the phoenix flower and the proposal to Sui He so that Jin Mi could watch. Even then, it almost killed him to give the petal back and sever all ties when it came down to it. He almost couldn't do it and it was clear that he was hurting himself just as much as he was hurting her by doing so.
4*He so clearly wanted to believe Jin Mi's declaration of love and her explanation but couldn't afford to and I can't blame him. Although Jin Mi's reasoning for convicting and killing Xu Feng was flimsy, he has true proof of her betrayal and nothing up to this point could have made him think otherwise.
So I'm not hating on Xu Feng as much as I thought I would before watching the episodes. It's so sad to see him still painfully in love even after Jin Mi's betrayal. He hates himself for it but he can't help it."
MusicalVeggies: "Agree with @missnymeria's insight here. Also, my personal take on the phoenix feather is that it was never a weapon - from the earliest episodes, Xu Feng made it clear that he had given it to Jin Mi to protect her so it was always a protective amulet/ object. My take from seeing the episode is that he knew he was going to have to throw a powerful attack at Jin Mi to a) scare her and bring home to her the fact that he was serious about his threats, and b) there was a 3rd party (Sui He) around and I think he also wanted to put up a front that he hated Jin Mi in front of this 3rd party. But I think he was worried that his powerful attack might seriously injure Jin Mi (she was already injured from his earlier less potent attacks), so he hid the Phoenix feather in his palm and threw it at her at the same time as his attack so that the feather could protect her. And then pretended to get angry at the feather for protecting her and 'betraying' him. And I think him trying to destroy that feather is also a bit like him trying to destroy his heart/ love for Jin Mi because his heart, like that feather, longs to protect her despite everything that Jin Mi had done to hurt him. The poor boy is truly tormented."
"I see Xu Feng equating the feather with his heart on the 'betraying' bit. Both are betraying their owners by protecting the person who killed the owner. I don't think he mentioned 'betrayed' in the context of him expecting the object to work in a particular direction only for the object to work differently. It would be stupid of Xu Feng who knows about the feather's protective ability better than anyone else to expect the feather to act differently. So it doesn't make sense and he can't have meant 'betrayed' in that context."
Missnymeria on episode 54 & 55: "Some thoughts...
1* I know some people were bothered by the seemingly random side love story between Puchi and Sui He but I wasn't. There were hints of it from the beginning of the drama, and it also filled in some important plot points. First, it showed us the beginning of the Infamous Duo when Sui He manipulated her way into the Heavenly Empress' good graces. Also (and this is just my personal opinion), I felt that the writers used Puchi's declaration to mirror Xu Feng's current feelings that he cannot voice to anyone: namely that although Jin Mi hurt and killed him, he couldn't help but still love her.
2* I think the writers made it super clear that up to the Jin Mi/Sui He confrontation in the cave, Xu Feng was in love with Jin Mi (and was aware of it) and hadn't even really given up on her. He lashed out in different ways to hurt her in return and was a mess emotionally but he still desired her (he couldn't help stealing a kiss) and had no plans to marry anyone else, even to express gratitude. During the first part of the confrontation in the cave, he tried his best to get her to leave and only kept hurting her because she wouldn't give up on attacking Sui He. When he saw he wouldn't be able to make her leave, he resorted to the Phoenix feather to launch a final attack (this part is a bit shady because the feather was never described as a weapon before). That was when he was placed face to face with the true depth of his love for her in spite of everything and it shocked him. He knew he still had feeling s for her before this but here he had tangible proof of the extent of them. But the real blow came when Run Yu arrived to save Jin Mi. Seeing them together brought back the fact that they're a united front who successfully teamed up to kill him once already. This is when he really had to face what he probably calls his "stupidity".
3*The cave scene was the turning point for him. Believing Sui He in that moment was a matter of survival when it came to his sanity. He had no choice but to believe her in order to keep going or he would have ended up as dead as the first time, at least as far as he knew. That's when he changed his attitude and knew he had to sever all ties with Jin Mi in an irrevocable manner. Because I believe he kind of enjoyed torturing himself by purposefully letting her come seemingly unnoticed to the Demon Realm before. Each time he saw her he wavered and was stuck in this love/hate vicious circle. So he devised the cruelest way possible to hurt Jin Mi and ensure she would never come back to the Demon Realm. He deliberately used her petal to create the garden scene and carefully orchestrated the phoenix flower and the proposal to Sui He so that Jin Mi could watch. Even then, it almost killed him to give the petal back and sever all ties when it came down to it. He almost couldn't do it and it was clear that he was hurting himself just as much as he was hurting her by doing so.
4*He so clearly wanted to believe Jin Mi's declaration of love and her explanation but couldn't afford to and I can't blame him. Although Jin Mi's reasoning for convicting and killing Xu Feng was flimsy, he has true proof of her betrayal and nothing up to this point could have made him think otherwise.
So I'm not hating on Xu Feng as much as I thought I would before watching the episodes. It's so sad to see him still painfully in love even after Jin Mi's betrayal. He hates himself for it but he can't help it."
MusicalVeggies: "Agree with @missnymeria's insight here. Also, my personal take on the phoenix feather is that it was never a weapon - from the earliest episodes, Xu Feng made it clear that he had given it to Jin Mi to protect her so it was always a protective amulet/ object.
My take from seeing the episode is that he knew he was going to have to throw a powerful attack at Jin Mi to a) scare her and bring home to her the fact that he was serious about his threats, and b) there was a 3rd party (Sui He) around and I think he also wanted to put up a front that he hated Jin Mi in front of this 3rd party. But I think he was worried that his powerful attack might seriously injure Jin Mi (she was already injured from his earlier less potent attacks), so he hid the Phoenix feather in his palm and threw it at her at the same time as his attack so that the feather could protect her. And then pretended to get angry at the feather for protecting her and 'betraying' him. And I think him trying to destroy that feather is also a bit like him trying to destroy his heart/ love for Jin Mi because his heart, like that feather, longs to protect her despite everything that Jin Mi had done to hurt him. The poor boy is truly tormented."
"I see Xu Feng equating the feather with his heart on the 'betraying' bit. Both are betraying their owners by protecting the person who killed the owner. I don't think he mentioned 'betrayed' in the context of him expecting the object to work in a particular direction only for the object to work differently. It would be stupid of Xu Feng who knows about the feather's protective ability better than anyone else to expect the feather to act differently. So it doesn't make sense and he can't have meant 'betrayed' in that context."