nixandy

No baby😔, it's just life and strictly realistic

Hi! I just wanted to say I really loved your perspective. You brought up so many deep, thoughtful points that stood out to me, because I’ve always been a little biased toward the queen.

As a woman, I naturally found myself interpreting the story more from her side, and it was refreshing to see someone who didn’t treat this film like a romance. So many people reduce it to just that, but you didn’t, and I appreciated that so much.

To me, this movie was never about love. It was about survival, power, fate, and the constraints of the time. And I loved how you called the king and the guard a “frozen flower” too, someone trapped by both his circumstances and his choices. That was so true. People often ignore the weight of the world he was born into, but you acknowledged it beautifully. He wasn’t just cruel or cold, he was shaped by an era that demanded power, control, and sacrifice.

That’s also why I felt so strongly for the queen. Her entire purpose was to give birth to an heir. And the moment she did that, she knew she’d lose everything, she’d lose the guard (who was never really hers) and she’d lose the king too. She was always going to be left alone. And for me, that’s heartbreaking. I couldn’t bring myself to view her as manipulative. She was surviving. She did what she knew, what she had to do, because once she served her purpose, she was disposable.

I also appreciated how you talked about the king’s betrayal. People love painting him as a victim, and yes, in many ways he was. He rebelled the only way he knew. But at the same time, he also betrayed the very people closest to him. He used them, and in return, he was betrayed. That’s what made the story so complex. In the end, he was still the last one standing. He had the power to castrate the guard and condemn the queen, even after all that loss. It was cruel, but it made sense in the world he lived in.

And about the guard, yes, I agree he was happy with the king. But I also believe that part of why he turned to the queen so quickly was because he was never really given the chance to explore love beyond the king. The king was all he knew. That lack of freedom, of space to grow emotionally, made him vulnerable to someone like the queen who offered him something different.

Not better, just different. Something that felt like choice.

So yeah, thank you for your response. It really deepened my appreciation of the film, and it felt good to read someone who saw all the nuance without trying to oversimplify it. This wasn’t a romance.

Of course you're delusional ass would think I'm hiding it, it's because I had spoilers from the movie that I put the spoiler button. Oh and I knew you were gay man, probably a gay white men, because gay white men like you have a long documented history of weaponizing queerness to dodge accountability while acting just as oppressive as the systems you claim to be victims of.

FYI, I'm a black woman, not some clueless little white girl. Not someone you can gaslight with buzzwords and the label of a homophobe. I'm fully educated, fully aware, and fully capable of clocking what this is.

From how you blamed and hated the queen I could tell you were man. Because not matter if you're gay or not, you're still a man at the end of the day, and still a sexist.

You didn't even try to respond to what I said. You just tried to discredit me the way misogynist always do, by twisting my words and labeling me as something I'm not.

You don't get to hide behind your queerness while acting like a sexist POS. You don't get to weaponize your identity to avoid being called out. I see right through you.

If I, as BI woman is called a homophobe, then you can sure as hell be a fake ally as gay man. LOL

Oh baby, I’m not even about to waste energy arguing with you.

You’ve already proven you’re not just wrong, you’re loud and confidently fing stupid. You are an uneducated dumbass, a moronic fing clown. Nothing you’re saying makes sense, and you clearly don’t have the range to keep up.

Let’s get something straight. You threw out “homophobic” like that was gonna land. If I were homophobic, I wouldn’t have watched a fing LGBTQ movie in the first place, let alone engage with it on a level your peanut brain can’t even process. I never once blamed the king for being gay. Not once. So miss me with that bulls.

You’re the one infantilizing the king. Just because he’s gay doesn’t mean he’s above critique. You’re out here putting his queerness above his actions, acting like his sexuality makes him a victim in a story where he quite literally orchestrated everyone’s downfall. That’s not defending LGBTQ stories. That’s being a f***ing bootlicker for fictional abuse.

And since we’re here, let’s talk about how you brought up my race, my gender, and my age–all while being dead wrong. You’re not just ignorant, you’re a racist piece of s***. And no, I’m not insinuating it. I’m telling you directly. You’re a f***ing racist.

Also, you want to gatekeep BL discourse? Bitch, I watch BL. I’ve watched more BL than your dumbass could spell. And I still think your takes are trash. You’re the exact type of dumb b**** that ruins BL discourse. You’re the reason the genre is flooded with non-consensual, abusive, power-imbalanced garbage and everyone claps like it’s high art.

But when someone like me points that s*** out, suddenly I’m homophobic? F*** you. You don’t get to silence people with fake allyship. You’re not protecting queer people. You’re just loud and f***ing stupid.

You keep repeating “nuance” like it makes you sound smart. But all you’re doing is fing crying over gay romance like that was ever the fing point. The movie isn’t about love. It’s about power, trauma, manipulation, control. You wouldn’t know nuance if it slapped the taste out your dumbass mouth.

And honestly? It’s obvious this stopped being about the movie for you a long time ago. You’re not talking themes or characters. You’re just f***ing obsessed. Digging up old-ass comments like some pressed fangirl with a grudge. That’s not critique. That’s being deranged. You’re mentally circling this film like it owes you child support.

Also, if half the comments are saying the king was a fing villain, maybe–just maybe– he actually was. Maybe everyone isn’t homophobic. Maybe you’re just fing wrong.

So yeah, this is the last time I’m replying to you, you dumb fing b*. I came here to analyze a film. You came here to project, spiral, and bark like a pressed dog on the internet.

Don’t ever bring your crusty-ass, cheeto-fingered, intellectually bankrupt bulls*** back to my comments again.

Let me break this down for you since you’re clearly struggling. You accused my interpretation of lacking nuance yet everything you’ve written shows a complete inability to grasp the layers in this film. You’re defending the king like this is some tragic romance when in reality the entire story is structured around power, control, and inevitability, not love.

The moral of A Frozen Flower is rooted in the inevitability of fate. That’s the very thing I said. The king was born into power and chose to preserve it at the expense of love and humanity. He didn’t fall victim to betrayal. He created the environment where betrayal was inevitable. That isn’t me painting him as the villain. It’s called cause and effect.

Now let’s talk about the chief guard. You keep referring to his love for the king like it was freely given. But it wasn’t. He was conditioned. Raised in service. Trained to adore a man who owned him. That’s not affection. That’s grooming. That’s a lifelong performance of loyalty under hierarchy. So no, he didn’t choose love. He was never given the chance to know anything else.

And the queen. I don’t know how you managed to miss this, but she was never in control. She was married off, ignored, and used. The king decided she would carry a child and then chose his own lover to sleep with her, not because it was comfortable for her but because he wanted to maintain control over everyone involved. She wasn’t offered a choice. She was assigned a role. That isn’t romance. That’s reproductive coercion.

You keep asking why they didn’t stay loyal. I’d ask why you expect loyalty from people who were consistently disregarded. The king treated them like pawns and then you’re shocked they didn’t act like saints. You said yourself the king acted with cruelty yet you defend him as if forgiveness was his right to grant. You’re seeing this as betrayal and consequence. I’m seeing it as inevitability and design. That’s the difference between your interpretation and mine.

Also, your view of the queen as manipulative is revealing. You claim she threw herself at the guard as if that somehow makes her responsible. But she was isolated, used as a surrogate, and then expected to remain untouched for the rest of her life. Falling for the one man who showed her even the illusion of care isn’t manipulation. It’s survival. But again, your understanding doesn’t go that far because you’re too focused on defending the king’s ego.

You say the king forgave them like that’s meant to clear him of guilt. You seem to forget he orchestrated the entire situation. He forced it. The guard died in front of him not because of love but because he was still trapped in the psychological grip the king held over him. He was loyal to the end because he didn’t know how to be anything else.

You speak of nuance but reduce everything to romance, betrayal, and forgiveness. Meanwhile, I accounted for the power imbalance, the era’s cultural expectations, the politics of queerness, gendered agency, and psychological manipulation.

You just blamed the queen for “waving her vagina around” and called the guard a liar.
And that, honestly, says everything.

If this level of complexity hurts your brain, do us all a favor and stick to your fluffy BL fantasy shows where power imbalance is romanticized and everyone claps like seals for trauma dressed as love.

Girl respectfully STFU, and take several seats. If it has multiple layers, then it's up for interpretation, and clearly I was opposing other sentiments, and I said "interpretation" clearly in my comment. But from checking your profile, I can tell you're just a yaoi gooner with zero media literacy. It's people like you that make BL fans look bad. The "layers" you speak of are just fantasies of gay fan service your corny ahh projected onto a movie much more deeper than that. Stick to whatever app streams BL fluff for brain dead fujoshis like you.

He was 27 and she was 14 when they met...and that is the fundamental issue. The concern is not just the relationship itself but the clear dynamics of grooming. Psychological research shows that adolescent brains are still developing, particularly in the prefrontal cortex, which governs decision-making, impulse control, and risk assessment. This means a 14-year-old is not cognitively equipped to engage in a relationship with a fully developed adult on equal terms. The significant disparity in age, maturity, and life experience creates an imbalance of power, where the older individual can exert undue influence over the younger one. This is why such relationships are considered exploitative rather than consensual.

Are you seriously this dense? No one’s denying the parents and public deserve blame, but he’s a predator. The public bullied her. Her parents failed her. Her label failed her. And he groomed her. All of it is true at once. All of these played a role in her turning into a wreck, but her killing herself on his birthday was proof that he was her biggest blow.

She literally told her parents “my oppa covered it.” When talking about her debts to her family. Not boyfriend. Not ex. Oppa. Because she knew he’d never let her tell anyone. You really think a grown man in his late twenties dating a minor was gonna announce that? He knew it was wrong, which is why he kept it quiet. That’s how grooming works.

Her parents probably didn’t even know until after she died or when she posted the pictures out of desperation, trying to force a response. And now that she’s gone, her phone and messages are still there. Her parents could easily go through it and piece together the truth.

So no, this isn’t just about the public or her parents. He was part of the problem. Stop pretending otherwise.

Calling out bad behavior isn’t cyberbullying. First, he denied dating her. Then he admitted they dated when she was 19. Which one is it? Innocent people don’t hesitate, they tell the truth immediately.

Let’s say dating is irrelevant, even though it’s not because grooming a minor isn’t something you just brush off. What about the debt? He promised to cover it, backed out, left her begging for more time, then leaked her phone number to reporters. That’s not calculated? That’s not harassment?

Her neighbors said she was crying under the stairs almost every day. If she was lying, why would she take it that far? Why kill herself on his birthday if she knew he could clear his name? He hasn’t, because he can’t. That’s why the story keeps changing. That’s why photos are disappearing.

And he’s losing money. Brand deals, contracts, followers, all slipping away. If he’s innocent, why would he let that happen? Why would he let himself bleed money when he could clear it up with one statement? Because he knows he can’t. Brands don’t drop innocent men. You think they’d walk away from that kind of money without proof? If he was clean, they’d stand by him. But they’re not. Because he’s not.

What’s not clicking?

Irrelevant? He dated her for six years since she was a minor?? He approached when she was fourteen when he was well into his twenties! How is that piece of info irrelevant? Are now just going to ignore when people are predators?

Y'all are utterly revolting, how can anyone be this insufferably oblivious?

You're taking this too personally, and I'm not going to engage in endless back-and-forth. However, you've proven my point with your own words. He built his career from scratch twice because he was given the chance. He was still offered roles after the scandal, and his ability to choose roles shows that he had the opportunity to rebuild.

SYJ, on the other hand, hasn't been given that chance. She doesn't have the luxury to choose good dramas because she's not being offered any. Claiming that SYJ lacks talent is a clear sign of misogyny. If SYJ was at her peak once, how can you argue that she never had talent?

Moreover, he didn’t shoulder all the blame. He played the victim role that the medial gave to him well until his ex-agency leaked messages confirming that he wasn’t a victim of gaslighting, as he had done the same to SYJ, such as dictating that she shouldn’t touch or kiss her co-stars.

You twist my words—reading comprehension is crucial. I never said his career should be ruined. In fact, I think the scandal was blown out of proportion. My point is about the misogyny in the industry.

It’s not “misogyny, YAWN”; it’s misogyny, YES, because it does happen and still does. He’s currently preparing for a comeback, but where is SYJ? That alone truly shows whether there's misogyny or not. Both were involved in a scandal, so why is one continuously getting projects while the other is in hiding?

So you did not read my comment? I clearly said both he and SYJ were being toxic to each other yet SYJ was the one who took all the blame. Where in my comment do I not hold SYJ accountable? I just made an observation that SYJ was the one who received the consequences while he was seen as a victim which was not the case

Yes, he did. He and SYJ were toxic to each other, which nearly ruined the film he was acting in because he refused to touch his co-star. On the red carpet, where they were supposed to promote their films, he ignored her. Newspapers reported that he made his co-star cry with his behavior and engaged in other nonsense. While some might not see it as a big deal, his unprofessionalism really threw me off. He was there to work, not to let personal issues affect the crew. Most people think he did nothing wrong because of the misogyny in the entertainment industry. Many articles painted SYJ as the villain and him as the victim, even though they both behaved poorly.

8/10 review & interpretation

I’m baffled by the comments blaming the guard and the queen. It seems like people completely missed the point of the movie. After watching it multiple times and delving into its deeper details, I feel compelled to set the record straight.

First, let’s talk about the queen. She’s the biggest victim of this entire ordeal. The king, who was homosexual, refused to make an heir with her and instead forced her to conceive with a random man. The queen had no choice in this matter, and her heartbreak and humiliation are evident. Imagine being forced into intimacy with a stranger, crying through the whole experience. How can anyone blame her for what she went through?

Now, about the king and the guard. Some say the king loved the guard, but his actions scream otherwise. The king’s behavior was driven by possessiveness and a desire to monopolize the guard, not genuine love. He forced the guard into a situation where he had to comply with his orders, sending him to the queen’s bed without any regard for his feelings. This isn’t love; it’s obsession.

The guard, too, had no choice but to stay with the king due to proximity and circumstance. When he said, “I’m grateful that you introduced me to love,” there was a hint of resentment. He was introduced to love but never given the freedom to explore it. This is why he fell for the queen so quickly—she represented his first chance to experience a different kind of love, one he could develop on his own.

The queen’s loneliness and lack of choice made her another tragic victim. She was forced into a situation where she had to conceive with a man she didn’t choose and was expected to separate physical intimacy from emotional connection. This expectation is unrealistic, especially given the intimate nature of relationships at that time. The king’s jealousy and subsequent actions, including castrating the guard, make no sense. If anyone deserved punishment, it was the king.

His death at the end of the movie served as fitting retribution for his cruelty and obsession. The king never truly loved the guard; his actions destroyed any chance of a successful relationship.

Instead of blaming the queen or the guard, we should recognize them as victims of the king’s actions and pity them for the circumstances they were forced into. The queen, in particular, is a tragic figure, navigating a life devoid of choice and autonomy, and she deserves our sympathy, not our scorn.

In the end, I kind of understand the king. He is a product of the society of the time he lived in. As the king, he would never give up his throne for the guard. He expected things to go his way, and when they didn’t, he reacted poorly. But what we’re not going to do is sit here and blame other people because all of this stems from one source: the king. I get that he’s homosexual and cannot be aroused by a woman, but let’s not sit here and blame everybody else. The king was obviously the problem. He had many alternatives he could have chosen, such as letting the queen choose a lover of her own. Instead, he chose the one that hurt almost everyone around him.

People keep saying the queen and the guard betrayed the king, but the truth is, the king betrayed both the queen, his lawfully wedded wife who stood by him, and his lover, by taking away his right to choose and sending him to another person’s bed. He betrayed them both for the sake of maintaining his power. The moral of the story is clear: The inevitability of fate

Exactly! Both parties were at fault, but SYJ apologized and has since been hiding away, while he continues to get work without offering an apology. The misogyny is real, and the girls enabling him make it an even harder pill to swallow.

I don't know why everybody is calling this clickbait and missing the point. JJH is not joking the dog is protected, safe, get rest time, they are indeed treated better then the actors. Actors in SK are treated like shit, no resting, expected to work in whatever type of weather/environment, and are not safe. I am glad he's speaking out on it. SK needs to start to treat their workers right, it seems like they have a problem in that area.

awww okay. what about our girl Lu Xiu does she just end up with Xiao Ruirui? or does she continue he crush on YSJ? and thanks you for answering!

I like this drama so far, but I am seeing Ye Shijie making googly eyes at FL, pls tell me if there is a love triangle? Or Second Male Lead Syndrome?

Girl this is a damn website the hell I gotta be scared for? Wait for the waters to calm down? Are you mentally okay? Go outside and touch some grass please, ain't no body scared of a troll like you!