He still doesn't really 'know' the true nature or extent of her mental conditon - he thinks she's suffering from…
PTSD & something else, maybe even supernatural. I don't know, the drama hasn't disclosed why she thinks dead people are alive & can perform what dead people could do & has superhuman knowledge of every Lishan master's field & still function as a regular person & plot revenge.
Here's a thread about the name of the drama.https://kisskh.at/779368-mo-li#comment-26448082
Thanks, I do think 'First Jasmine' title doesn't suit this drama & MoLi is unfortunate because though it is the ML+FL abbreviation, it also denotes SML+FL!
In which episode does MXY finds out about Ye Li's condition?
He still doesn't really 'know' the true nature or extent of her mental conditon - he thinks she's suffering from a side effect of loneliness.....she's not.
Ep. 19: I hate it when in a drama everyone is dumbed down to make the heroine look intelligent..... it was extremely obvious that there must be a secret passage somewhere in that burnt out building or palace itself & yet FL is the only one who went in to investigate. What's more? She did not take her trusted martial arts bodyguard with her, rather that buffoon assassin with mediocre martial art training. This was weak writing just to get FL to look smart & show off her Master's 'martial skills' that she doesn't know she has (either through ghost possession or memory).
I don't understand why FL went after Prince Li when the enemies she wants revenge from are after Prince Li. What's it to her whether Prince Li lives or dies or takes the throne or not - Lishan Academy, Gen. Mo, 30K soldiers, & countless supporters of crown prince, etc. were not killed by Prince Li. She has put herself & ML in a difficult position by doing so (obvious from trailer of Ep.20). Besides, Prince Li has sealed his fate by getting 4 more people killed (!!!!) whose corpses were used to fake his & his team's death. Still, I don't want him to really die in this drama. I don't think he's that wrong in his quest for power.
I have a bad feeling about Marquis Muyang's sudden interest in that illegitimate Guard Qin - the way he told him to drink & then offered straw & then helped clean up the robe, makes me suspect he took that handkerchief this son was holding on to - & will use it to scare off that girl Qin met. Because Marquis wants to keep this son as a tool on a tight leash.
I also cannot stand FL's 'sister' & her tears for a 'husband' who never gave her a look or kind word. It's wrong to give so much screen time to a lameduck, spineless character (who is disloyal to everyone - she couldn't even keep the husband's last words a secret!) just to show sisterhood between women. This 'sister' has done nothing in her life to deserve so much benevolence from FL or so much screentime.
The ppl ye li mentioned as "doing well" - her grand uncle the headmaster, minghui - are they all dead?…
Thanks for this analysis, it has made me rethink a few things too.
I've been thinking about whether it is possible that FL gets 'possessed by ghosts' of these people? How can a single person have sooooo much knowledge when all the masters died 8 years ago or soon after? (Chinese & Korean dramas usually have such themes) She also makes these 'voodoo' dolls that she untangles after each person's 'removal.' Even if she read all the books in the Academy all alone, still how can someone know so much? (especially the very specific art of healing legs that the best physicians couldn't fix.)
The most intriguing character in the drama is and will remain FL. ML is a boring good guy & will remain so.…
1) FL did not break any engagement - SML Prince Li asked the concubine empress to break it (he just didn't expect c.empress to betroth her to another guy)
2) Remember, FL's status was BIG 8 years ago - she was betrothed to the son of crown prince (probably because Old Emperor & crown prince had strong ties to Lishan Academy & her grandfather ran it), which is a huge thing - she was destined to be queen technically some day. Nobody knows about her mental condition other than the martial arts bodyguard she consults & now the ML & his bodyguard & doctor (till Ep.17) - diagnosed as 'loneliness' for now - ML doesn't know about her trauma & massacre or what happened to Quangsheng maid.
3) Concubine Empress did no favors to FL by getting her hitched to a crippled son with a few shops & a title to his name whose entire male members were killed (in a conspiracy) for being traitors. ML's household had HUGE problems (of status, reputation & personal) before FL came there - it wasn't an ideal place to marry, though FL had wealth & beauty & came from a 'solid' family who enjoyed the favor of the c.empress & kid emperor.
4) Even if she was married off to someone else, she still would've helped to restore ML & his family fortunes & honor.
5) ML was appointed as regulator of a city only after marriage (because he's working with kid emperor) - before marriage he had no real status to offer a bride & he was disabled (everyone believed for life).
6) I've watched the latest episode too (Ep. 17) & it is clear that FL is moved by revenge & trauma, she does her 'wifely duty' to support ML.
7) ML is the steady older guy who has never made any demands on her or restricted her movements. You have to admit he is a boring stable man, with no dramatic or romantic flair - he doesn't even talk that much! There is warmth & affection between them but her personality is such that she would have interacted with any husband similarly, done the same things the same way - the only difference is that she feels she owes this family (& Lishan Academy & 30K soldiers) justice & lost honor & is working towards that.
8) Now ML thinks he owes her to heal her condition because she healed his legs & I think he loves her too. I doubt FL's feelings are that lovey dovey, she has too much trauma & revenge plots to act on to think about 'love'.
Why is Mo Jingli even Acting like the throne was rightfully his? His father being the Crown Prince,the rightful…
He doesn't know anything else, he was raised to be an heir, educated as if he was going to be an heir or heir's son. I think crown prince was the legitimate wife (Empress' son) while concubine's son is currently on the throne - so of course Prince Li will think the crown was stolen from his side of family.
Crown Prince died so there was no officially elected heir to the throne...Current Dowager was the Empress at that…
There was an heir - the crown prince - SML Prince Li is crown prince's son. After emperor's natural death & ensuing power grab by concubine with kid, crown prince was killed, SML taken from Lishan Academy, put in jail & later, under house arrest & humiliated to be 'court jester'. Everyone who supported the last emperor's wishes & crown prince got killed or removed from office. Concubine installed herself as Empress & her kid as emperor through the faction that supported her.
I am on episode 14. ML annoys me. I hope he fairs up well soon otherwise I will have to hope for FL to leave him.…
The most intriguing character in the drama is and will remain FL. ML is a boring good guy & will remain so. I think he's also supposed to be older than her by 8-10 years so he's the steady dad-type. Most of the cast is one-dimensional, including ML. It's the way plot is unfolding that is interesting, the screenplay is very well-written.
I believe FL would've interacted with any other eventual husband similarly, she would've been a good partner to anyone, there's nothing unique that ML has that makes him stand out - other than the interconnected past history (his own, his brother's and FL's mother & Lishan Mountain) between them that makes her obliged to help him (because of promise to mom & his dying bro). She has more interests in life other than him.
Honestly love the convo between step mother and fl start of ep 16. Breath of fresh air. In the grand scheme of…
I think FL looks at the big picture - she likes stepmother's young son so she wouldn't have caused trouble for him, & she doesn't want to take revenge over petty issues that she has already handled (like getting her respect & property back). But that doesn't make stepmother & her daughter less shallow or incapable of deceiving FL. These sort of people will always be untrustworthy.
I don't think stepmother should get a pass just because she is the 'lesser of all evils' in Ye Family: she had planned on embarrassing FL on her wedding day with cheap broken 'dowry' & giving everything to her daughter instead. And she tried to do this to FL who was already sidelined in Ye Family & demoted to marriage with a crippled former prisoner of treasonous family. She also had taken over her shops & installed her own people, including a bf there. She had alienated the husband as well from his first-born - the father was worthless but I think women in these sort of households engineer a lot of mistreatment.
Did I miss something or am I right to think that Qin Cang is illegitimate son of Muyang and Ye Ling is not the…
Qin Cang is Muyang's son. As for Ye Family, Ye Ling is FL's father's daughter by the second wife BUT the boy/ son is not from the same father, he's from the guy who was caught with the second wife - that's why second wife has helped FL, because she wants to make sure the son carries Ye Family's title & name. They would've been thrown out of Ye Household if truth had come out, second wife would've been killed too, for adultery etc.
Bai Lu says Mo Xiu Yao is Yeli's first love. He saved her in the past so when she knew she got married to him,…
FL doesn't come across as the type to 'fall in love', she's a nurturer & would've been a good wife to anyone she ended up with - ML is nothing special. I don't think she thought anything more about ML other than the fact that this dashing soldier who was 'manly' / older than her, had rescued her - after her original betrothed (son of heir to the throne, that she studied with) was jailed. She has tried to help ML because of the vow she made to her mother & to ML's brother (before his terrible execution) - & she has tried to be a good wife & partner to him. BUT she is moved by revenge & to right past wrongs & to be self-sufficient. She would've been exactly like this with any other man as well.
The ppl ye li mentioned as "doing well" - her grand uncle the headmaster, minghui - are they all dead?…
Yup, her stories about Lishan Academy have gone wilder with each new episode - she's skilled in all kinds of things, & has done hard labor & knows martial arts: those 8 years after the coup are the big mystery - I think 'monkeys' were assassins who killed many people up in the mountain, & she is the one who got away. I'm sure that student she cut the tree for is also dead - because he hasn't sent any letter to his family for 8 years......
Both FLs and MLs are victims but it now depends on how they carry out their revenge plans. The problem with SML…
Prince Li was technically heir to the throne so of course he feels 'entitled' to what he deserves, what is owed to him or who belongs to him. FL is totally right about him & his character.
Yes I agree that Prince Li will lose because he went about reclaiming the throne using morally questionable methods.…
I think it's a tragedy that Prince Li & ML can't work together. In court/crown battles everyone is morally questionable & grey: Gen. Mo (ML's brother) was coming back on dying Emperor's orders because there was a tussle for crown & he sided with Emperor's wishes for crown prince. Meanwhile concubine saw her chance of installing her son as king as opposed to the designated crown prince, since emperor was dying & weak & she allied with security & court officials who helped her by removing obstacles (people). ML's brother (& other male members) got killed & FL's mother got killed because FL's father's side helped concubine & dowager by removing a key military family (by getting that decree). Crown prince would've removed concubine & her kid from capital (if kept alive at all) the same was done to his son (Prince Li), so who is right & wrong? It's only a matter of who avails of a chance & strikes first for throne & making your faction win.
Everyone who sided with crown prince got displaced or hammered (Lishan Academy, the 'assassin' family, ML's family, FL's mother, Yuan official, etc.)
Technically & morally, ML should side with Prince Li & help Prince Li get power just to get revenge against people who betrayed his family, last emperor, crown prince, & others, BUT he won't do that because he is not vengeful or ambitious or power hungry. And it looks like Prince Li would be a very cruel, obstinate & short-lived ruler, if he ever got to be king! He had no other choice but to aspire for throne, because he was told his entire life he was destined for that post & then was turned into a peacock & has resentment for everyone including ML because he has FL. I think his wife will rat him out.
I don't understand why FL went after Prince Li when the enemies she wants revenge from are after Prince Li. What's it to her whether Prince Li lives or dies or takes the throne or not - Lishan Academy, Gen. Mo, 30K soldiers, & countless supporters of crown prince, etc. were not killed by Prince Li. She has put herself & ML in a difficult position by doing so (obvious from trailer of Ep.20). Besides, Prince Li has sealed his fate by getting 4 more people killed (!!!!) whose corpses were used to fake his & his team's death. Still, I don't want him to really die in this drama. I don't think he's that wrong in his quest for power.
I have a bad feeling about Marquis Muyang's sudden interest in that illegitimate Guard Qin - the way he told him to drink & then offered straw & then helped clean up the robe, makes me suspect he took that handkerchief this son was holding on to - & will use it to scare off that girl Qin met. Because Marquis wants to keep this son as a tool on a tight leash.
I also cannot stand FL's 'sister' & her tears for a 'husband' who never gave her a look or kind word. It's wrong to give so much screen time to a lameduck, spineless character (who is disloyal to everyone - she couldn't even keep the husband's last words a secret!) just to show sisterhood between women. This 'sister' has done nothing in her life to deserve so much benevolence from FL or so much screentime.
Yes, this is a rant!
I've been thinking about whether it is possible that FL gets 'possessed by ghosts' of these people? How can a single person have sooooo much knowledge when all the masters died 8 years ago or soon after? (Chinese & Korean dramas usually have such themes) She also makes these 'voodoo' dolls that she untangles after each person's 'removal.' Even if she read all the books in the Academy all alone, still how can someone know so much? (especially the very specific art of healing legs that the best physicians couldn't fix.)
2) Remember, FL's status was BIG 8 years ago - she was betrothed to the son of crown prince (probably because Old Emperor & crown prince had strong ties to Lishan Academy & her grandfather ran it), which is a huge thing - she was destined to be queen technically some day. Nobody knows about her mental condition other than the martial arts bodyguard she consults & now the ML & his bodyguard & doctor (till Ep.17) - diagnosed as 'loneliness' for now - ML doesn't know about her trauma & massacre or what happened to Quangsheng maid.
3) Concubine Empress did no favors to FL by getting her hitched to a crippled son with a few shops & a title to his name whose entire male members were killed (in a conspiracy) for being traitors. ML's household had HUGE problems (of status, reputation & personal) before FL came there - it wasn't an ideal place to marry, though FL had wealth & beauty & came from a 'solid' family who enjoyed the favor of the c.empress & kid emperor.
4) Even if she was married off to someone else, she still would've helped to restore ML & his family fortunes & honor.
5) ML was appointed as regulator of a city only after marriage (because he's working with kid emperor) - before marriage he had no real status to offer a bride & he was disabled (everyone believed for life).
6) I've watched the latest episode too (Ep. 17) & it is clear that FL is moved by revenge & trauma, she does her 'wifely duty' to support ML.
7) ML is the steady older guy who has never made any demands on her or restricted her movements. You have to admit he is a boring stable man, with no dramatic or romantic flair - he doesn't even talk that much! There is warmth & affection between them but her personality is such that she would have interacted with any husband similarly, done the same things the same way - the only difference is that she feels she owes this family (& Lishan Academy & 30K soldiers) justice & lost honor & is working towards that.
8) Now ML thinks he owes her to heal her condition because she healed his legs & I think he loves her too. I doubt FL's feelings are that lovey dovey, she has too much trauma & revenge plots to act on to think about 'love'.
I believe FL would've interacted with any other eventual husband similarly, she would've been a good partner to anyone, there's nothing unique that ML has that makes him stand out - other than the interconnected past history (his own, his brother's and FL's mother & Lishan Mountain) between them that makes her obliged to help him (because of promise to mom & his dying bro). She has more interests in life other than him.
I don't think stepmother should get a pass just because she is the 'lesser of all evils' in Ye Family: she had planned on embarrassing FL on her wedding day with cheap broken 'dowry' & giving everything to her daughter instead. And she tried to do this to FL who was already sidelined in Ye Family & demoted to marriage with a crippled former prisoner of treasonous family. She also had taken over her shops & installed her own people, including a bf there. She had alienated the husband as well from his first-born - the father was worthless but I think women in these sort of households engineer a lot of mistreatment.
Everyone who sided with crown prince got displaced or hammered (Lishan Academy, the 'assassin' family, ML's family, FL's mother, Yuan official, etc.)
Technically & morally, ML should side with Prince Li & help Prince Li get power just to get revenge against people who betrayed his family, last emperor, crown prince, & others, BUT he won't do that because he is not vengeful or ambitious or power hungry. And it looks like Prince Li would be a very cruel, obstinate & short-lived ruler, if he ever got to be king! He had no other choice but to aspire for throne, because he was told his entire life he was destined for that post & then was turned into a peacock & has resentment for everyone including ML because he has FL. I think his wife will rat him out.