i never watched a chinese drama before, not even the untamed. what should i know about chinese dramas before starting…
Oh and heroines in brothels. I think EVERY single Chinese 'period' dramas I watched had brothels. And it seems to me there's always a heroine in them who aids the ML.
i never watched a chinese drama before, not even the untamed. what should i know about chinese dramas before starting…
THEY ARE FANTASTIC PERIOD :-)
A more detailed information: 1) It tremendously help if you understand Manderin. Otherwise, wait for the subs, which in the case of WOH, it's so slow that it's torturous for many of us. 2) WOH quotes many classic Chinese literatures, so if you know some of them you'll appreciate the drama better I think. If you don't know them, like myself, there's a Youtuber who gives some explainations. I tried looking it for you, but I can't seem to find that video anymore. Sorry. 3) There are symbolisms and metaphors that are unique to the Chinese culture. Again there are Youtubers helping explaining them. Here's one video you can find. This one also explained some quotes from poems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbh5XQ8RWdQ 4) You'll learn a lot of strong values about the Chinese culture. They may differ from your own. So keep an open mind, the storyline does make sense if you understand their value systems. Some examples are : "loyalty" is extremely important in Chinese culture, hence when one elder/teacher/member/family/clan/etc is being attacked, others will avenge for them, hence you see a lot of revenges in these dramas; "honor" is another, hence you see people killing/cutting themselves or something similar as an act of promise or to own up a mistake etc. "discipline/endurance/ hardwork/devotion" the martial art trainings they do are not only demanding but they last for years and still will not perfect the art. One might view that as 'stupid' to spend such a large part of your life on them. But no martial art means it's not Wuxia. 5) I love the Wuxia fighting scenes and movements. But I read before that they seem too 'unrealistic' to westerners. So bare in mind that those 'exaggerated fantasy' style of movements are Wuxia's charactoristics. 6) The clothes and hairdos might look odd to you. Again that's the style for most Chinese 'historic' dramas.
That's all I can think of right now. Basically, if you are familiar with the Chinese customs and values etc, the drama makes perfect sense. If not, you'll find you can learn PLENTY things about the Chinese in JUST one drama. Personally, I find those values wonderful, but they seem rather difficult to adopt properly. I've learned to respect the people who follow these 'believe systems'. But I'm not sure if modern days Chinese still adhere to them or not.
It's impressive the amount of postings here for WOH, and almost all complimentary. Feel like the ratings should be above 9. It's 8.8 at this moment. WOH JIAYOU!!
Ok I replayed that spectacular display of ZZS's superb upper torso many, many times! Tsk, tsk, tsk my poor foolish…
LOL. Which ep is that? I'm still just at ep15 sub. But have been 'venturing' the raws. I'm at ep 20 raw now, I don't think WKX fell off a cliff yet. Saw ZZS's upper torso thought, with Ye Bai Yi there.
I'm watchimg ep 20 raw, couldn't wait for subs lol. But I'm having problems figuring out certain parts. So who is WKX's father? Is WKX's father one of the 'martial art brothers' of ZZS's teacher? Who are thoses men in black who tried to kill them ? I don't mind spoilers. Thanks !
That's kinda selfish though. Every minority deserves representation. LGBT community in China deserves their love…
Yes, I understand your point, and yes I realize where my mistake was.
I was thinking about this more, and made additions to this post:
To clarify, the 'subtleness' to me was not something shallow as in it being 'entertaining' though. To me China was able to show, and achieved beautifully, deeper MM love without the productions being BLs. That's why I love CBros and don't want it to fade away. But I'm aware your comment was meant in general, rather than specifically towards me.
Nevertheless, I see your point, and I did make a mistake thinking to avoid the discontinuing of Cbros requires keeping the censorships. At the same time, I did not connect the censorship with LGBTQ+ in China until I read your first reply, that was insensitive on my part. Also, I think the way I worded, the lack of thoughtfulness, sounded like I was saying China's acceptance of LGBTQ+ is less important than Cbros. I'm thinking this is probably the most 'hurtful' out of the 3.
Regardless, I can see the details where my post went wrong now.
That's kinda selfish though. Every minority deserves representation. LGBT community in China deserves their love…
Oh I see what you mean. Apologies.
In my mind when I said it, I was thinking of the chinese bromances will be the minority in the midst of Chinese BLs and all the current BL productions in many other countries. Mainly because it seems pretty much only the Chinese produces bromances, while many other places concentrates more on producing many BL series already.
So my point was more about I don't want Cbros to phase out, less about taking a stand on censorship. And I was definitely NOT thinking of being against or dismissing the LGBTQ+ coummunities.
That's where I was coming from.
Where I think I made a mistake was, I worried too much that Cbros will not continue to be produced with censorships lifted and CBLs become popular at the same time. And more importantly, I did not pay attention to the reason of the current censorship, which stemmed from LGBTQ+ being unacceptable in China.
So yes I agree, for those who's stands are against the censorships, and for those in LGBTQ+ communities, my comment could have come across as 'rejecting/not supporting' their values.
So apologies again. I was not being thoughtful.
But I wasn't being malicious, please do not view it that way.
You know, part of me don't want China to open up their censorship requirements. I really love C-bromances and to me China does it fantastically. Especially the wuxia genre bromances, to me they are unrivaled. The bromance themes, with or without the bolder hints of BL, is unique to the Chinese productions, I think. And it gives an wonderful charactoristic/identity. I love them. If CBL becomes acceptable/popular and Cbros start to phase out, I think I'll be sad. Hope there'll still be enough demand for Cbros once/if CBLs is approved, so it'll never 'die' out.
Didn't YXG die? How come his charactor appears again? I did not like 'my bromance 2' where the ML faked death in ss 1 but 'came back' ss2. Not sure how they will do this here.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE KBLs. Love YMMD as well. But tbh, I'm not knowlegable with dancing. Although CYW's dancing looks good to me, I'm not able to relate and my limitations did not help me appreciate him as much. Other than that, I love the story, it's really sweet. Even the loan sharks and the female shark boss came across as nice and sweet LOL.
I feel like S. Korea is getting bolder and bolder after every new BL drama, not that I'm complaining :P
Agree. The intimate scenes in WYEL, which are just the bit before HTJ left for England and the ending kiss, are pretty mild comparing with the ones here. But I think YMMD is still mild comparing to some of the ThaiBLs, the Taiwanese, and the Japanese ones. I actually like that KBLs are milder that way. Gives Korean's productions a different feel, allowing an identity that stands out and stands apart from the rest. At least to me.
from the trailer I can see that jk is actually so happy there :)
Thanks for letting me know! I went and googled the trailer, and yes, they look like they are enjoying being there. This ep 99 will be my first time watching YQOTB. Looking forward to it :-)
Just incase anyone reading this post is curious, here's a link that explains the difference between Wuxia, Xianxia, and Xuanhuan
https://immortalmountain.wordpress.com/glossary/wuxia-xianxia-xuanhuan-terms/
Cheers!
Plenty Chinese architectures also
A more detailed information:
1) It tremendously help if you understand Manderin. Otherwise, wait for the subs, which in the case of WOH, it's so slow that it's torturous for many of us.
2) WOH quotes many classic Chinese literatures, so if you know some of them you'll appreciate the drama better I think. If you don't know them, like myself, there's a Youtuber who gives some explainations. I tried looking it for you, but I can't seem to find that video anymore. Sorry.
3) There are symbolisms and metaphors that are unique to the Chinese culture. Again there are Youtubers helping explaining them. Here's one video you can find. This one also explained some quotes from poems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbh5XQ8RWdQ
4) You'll learn a lot of strong values about the Chinese culture. They may differ from your own. So keep an open mind, the storyline does make sense if you understand their value systems. Some examples are :
"loyalty" is extremely important in Chinese culture, hence when one elder/teacher/member/family/clan/etc is being attacked, others will avenge for them, hence you see a lot of revenges in these dramas;
"honor" is another, hence you see people killing/cutting themselves or something similar as an act of promise or to own up a mistake etc.
"discipline/endurance/ hardwork/devotion" the martial art trainings they do are not only demanding but they last for years and still will not perfect the art. One might view that as 'stupid' to spend such a large part of your life on them. But no martial art means it's not Wuxia.
5) I love the Wuxia fighting scenes and movements. But I read before that they seem too 'unrealistic' to westerners. So bare in mind that those 'exaggerated fantasy' style of movements are Wuxia's charactoristics.
6) The clothes and hairdos might look odd to you. Again that's the style for most Chinese 'historic' dramas.
That's all I can think of right now. Basically, if you are familiar with the Chinese customs and values etc, the drama makes perfect sense. If not, you'll find you can learn PLENTY things about the Chinese in JUST one drama.
Personally, I find those values wonderful, but they seem rather difficult to adopt properly. I've learned to respect the people who follow these 'believe systems'. But I'm not sure if modern days Chinese still adhere to them or not.
Back to lol and *sigh*.
But no worries ;-)
THANKS^8. (I know 8 is a good omen in Chinese, the 8 was for you. Thanks !)
WOH JIAYOU!!
So who is WKX's father? Is WKX's father one of the 'martial art brothers' of ZZS's teacher? Who are thoses men in black who tried to kill them ?
I don't mind spoilers. Thanks !
I was thinking about this more, and made additions to this post:
To clarify, the 'subtleness' to me was not something shallow as in it being 'entertaining' though. To me China was able to show, and achieved beautifully, deeper MM love without the productions being BLs. That's why I love CBros and don't want it to fade away.
But I'm aware your comment was meant in general, rather than specifically towards me.
Nevertheless, I see your point, and I did make a mistake thinking to avoid the discontinuing of Cbros requires keeping the censorships. At the same time, I did not connect the censorship with LGBTQ+ in China until I read your first reply, that was insensitive on my part. Also, I think the way I worded, the lack of thoughtfulness, sounded like I was saying China's acceptance of LGBTQ+ is less important than Cbros. I'm thinking this is probably the most 'hurtful' out of the 3.
Regardless, I can see the details where my post went wrong now.
In my mind when I said it, I was thinking of the chinese bromances will be the minority in the midst of Chinese BLs and all the current BL productions in many other countries. Mainly because it seems pretty much only the Chinese produces bromances, while many other places concentrates more on producing many BL series already.
So my point was more about I don't want Cbros to phase out, less about taking a stand on censorship. And I was definitely NOT thinking of being against or dismissing the LGBTQ+ coummunities.
That's where I was coming from.
Where I think I made a mistake was, I worried too much that Cbros will not continue to be produced with censorships lifted and CBLs become popular at the same time. And more importantly, I did not pay attention to the reason of the current censorship, which stemmed from LGBTQ+ being unacceptable in China.
So yes I agree, for those who's stands are against the censorships, and for those in LGBTQ+ communities, my comment could have come across as 'rejecting/not supporting' their values.
So apologies again. I was not being thoughtful.
But I wasn't being malicious, please do not view it that way.
Take care.
The bromance themes, with or without the bolder hints of BL, is unique to the Chinese productions, I think. And it gives an wonderful charactoristic/identity. I love them.
If CBL becomes acceptable/popular and Cbros start to phase out, I think I'll be sad.
Hope there'll still be enough demand for Cbros once/if CBLs is approved, so it'll never 'die' out.
But tbh, I'm not knowlegable with dancing. Although CYW's dancing looks good to me, I'm not able to relate and my limitations did not help me appreciate him as much.
Other than that, I love the story, it's really sweet.
Even the loan sharks and the female shark boss came across as nice and sweet LOL.
I actually like that KBLs are milder that way. Gives Korean's productions a different feel, allowing an identity that stands out and stands apart from the rest. At least to me.