hmmm I don't feel this is going to be very good...Bright as 1rst Main Lead/Doumyoji/Daoming Si?? he has the handsome…
I can't guarantee you'll like Bright's performance, and MJ, LMH, DW are established good actors. But Bright's performance will depend largely on the director and probably the screen writer, instead of solely on him.
The adaption is the director's interpretation of the story. It falls under his responsibility to cast his actors/actresses who will fit his concepts. Casting choices are the decisions, and authorities of the director and CEO/stakeholders. It also falls under the director's responsibility to guide the actors through and make the actors understand his concepts and interpretations.
The comparsion of Bright to the other three male-lead/ML has to take the director's/F4T's specific concepts into consideration. For example:
In Hana Yori Dango, DT is the most violent of all the 3 MLs, he primarily uses his fists to fight, plenty of time too. And MJ has that innate tough image, so he fits DT, and so his perforance is believable to us audience.
In Boys over Flower, GJP is the most elegant of all the 3 MLs. And LMH has that aristocratic and regal style himself. Even in fighting scenes, LMH suits better using traditional swords than fists. It will not be as convincing if MJ was casted as GJP, and vice versa.
In Meteor Garden 2018, DMS is a sucessful selfmade invester who came from the upper-class and has a more childlike and friendly personality. DW is an actor who doesn't have one innate quality that can be easily 'pigeonholed' in a specific catergory, so he worked in the role of DMS, who covers more 'general' qualities.
I think, Bright's success in convincing us audience of the charactor Thyme will largely depend on how well he's being casted, as well as how well the director impart his concepts.
Bright has been casted as male lead 8 times now since 2016 by various directors for various roles and genres. So even though he still has plenty of room to improve, as all actors/actresses do, he's been recognized as a competent enough actor. So please give, not just F4T, but also Bright a chance.
As for BWshippers being annoying, and I'm only speaking this for myself, we know that LOL. And we laugh at ourselves about how we are 'stans'. LOL.
Blame us is OK, but don't forget to blame GMM as well, for being cunning enough to exploit our 'weakness' all along for years. It's exactly GMM's knowledge of BLfans that that we are feeling so upset in the way they announced F4T, it's like GMM deliberately, or at least unthoughtfully, tried to 'hurt' us.
I agree we've been whining a lot lately. Sorry about that.
“it’s not fair” “how could you do this” “i hate you” “please don’t kiss” “i hate the girl”…
I'm a BrightWin fan, but I hear you. It's not just us BL-shippers, but all anti-fans cross lines, which is a serious problem. I would not brush it off.
Unfortunately these issues come with the territory of the entertainment industries all over the world, and all actors/actresses will experience them in their careers.
I put most of the blame on GMM for handling F4T badly, especially KNOWING BrightWin is the hottest international BL Couple right now.
I don't know how strong a person Tu is, but my hope is, and I know some korean agencie s are gradually doing this for their K-Idols now since the increase in suicides amongs the Idols recently, GMM will provide support for Tu at this time. Anything from simple wellness education to more intense mental health prevention and treatments. Just temperarily, until she learns how to handle anti-fans, 'hate'/negative comments, etc. , if she wants to stay in this industry.
I absolutely loved Meteor Garden and Boys Over Flowers, although I haven't seen the others, and I am a little…
Ling has articulated most of what was in my mind. I'll add a few of my views, with the intend of exchanging ideas and opinions.
Bright has actually casted as ML in various genres and roles before the light-hearted 2gether series. He has been casted as male lead 8 times now, including F4T.
Try 'Social Death Vote'. It's a disturbing series with different stories combined. Bright is in ep 5-6. He plays a violent sadist. To me he did well and maturely, he was only 20years old then. The way he laughed insanely, finding pleasure hitting the girl while making out with her, it was sickening and dark. Try also 'Korn Aroon Ja Roong'. He plays a gentle young man and a good son. Totally different from 'Social Death Vote' Try also 'I Sea U', he had to play 2 peronalities simultaniously. It's not easy for even seasoned actors/actresses. And this was his first drama, and he was being casted as ML already. In 'Love song love series', he's goofy, cute, and adorable.
As for Win, Tine is his first drama role, we don't have other past references of his acting abilities. It won't be fair to claim he'll fail as Kavin in F4T at this point.
I have performances that are special to me in the past. For example, I absolutely loved 'The King and I' with Yul Brynner. When they remade it to 'Anna and the King' with Chow Yun Fat, I thought it won't be as good. But it turned out to be very different and I couldn't really compare them fairly with the same set of criterias. Anna and the King was great too and I loved it just as much.
So try to keep an open mind when you watch F4T, you might enjoy it.
I just read that Win's charactor Kavin is actually huixei ???!!! idk, makes more sense if Kavin is XiMen.But sounds…
I'm wondering now if GMM will downplay the romance rivalry that all the adaptations have, between the mainML and HuaZeLei/YoonJiHo/Rui (the other primaryML), and instead up-play the brotherhood of GoJoonPyo(mainML) and SooYiJung (the playboy secondaryML) in the korean version. (the other adaptations donlt have this 'bro' part)
This way Win can still be XiMen, which makes sense since Kavin and Ximen are both playboys. HuaZeLei was not a playboy, he's quiet reserve and a violinist in some versions. And Win can be one of the primary boys without being Bright's love rival. They'll be 'brothers' instead of BLs.
just read that Kavin (Win) is HuaZeLei (?!). But instead of being a violinist, Kavin will be a playboy, business…
Yes, absolutely. I was surprised when I saw it. Maybe you can tell me if these sources are reliable. I know that these sites are not from GMM, but two of them are Thai and Manila newpapers, at least it seems to be. Thanks.
The second link states that Kavin (Win) is Hua Zi Lei
Just a note for the first link. It says Bright is the main lead, Win is one of the secondary couple(which is unclear to me if its the other one that got together, or the two that did not), and that Dew and Nani will be the secondary boys. I'm not sure if you watched the previous adaptations, or maybe just one of them. I can list for you, to match F4, the 4 male leads in the order of the versions: Chinese, Korean, Japanese 2005.
Main role (Bright)= DaoMingSi/GooJoonPyo/Tsukasa secondary boys (Dew n Nani) = XiMenYan n FengMeiZuo/SooYiJung n SongWooBin/Akira n Sojiro. Hua Zi Lei was not a secondary boy.
That leaves Win(kavin) to be HuaZiLei/YoonJiHo/Rui. i.e. the other primary boy and Bright's love rival.
[...The only way I can think of to make the playboy XiMen as a primary boy (so take over HuaZiLei's position) instead of a secondary one, is if GMM down-plays the rivalry story of the 2 primary boys (DaoMingSi with HuaZiLei in the chinese verson. All the versions have this rival part), and instead up-plays the brotherhood of GoJoonPyo with SooYiJung in the korean version. The other versions did not have that brotherhood part. This way the 2 secondary boys will be HuaZiLei n FengMeiZuo. Also in this case, Win(XiMen) will be primary boy (formerly HuaZiLei) WITHOUT being Bright's romantic rival. Plus they will be 'bros' (not BLs). I'm just guessing, I couod be totally wrong. lol ...]
Wait does anyone know who is who? Is Win Huaze Lei, Ximen, or Feng Meizuo ?
just read that Kavin (Win) is HuaZeLei (?!). But instead of being a violinist, Kavin will be a playboy, business major (?!) Looks like GMM will be altering the charactors
it's going to be so weird seeing BrightWin fighting for a girl
sorry, I might be wrong. I just read that Kavin (Win) is HuaZeLei, not XiMenYan. But it looks like GMM is altering the charactors away from the other adaptations. HuaZeLei was NOT a playboy, but Kavin will be. DaoMingSi was NOT a musician, but Thyme (Bright) will be.... hm... i'm getting curious...
I just read that Win's charactor Kavin is actually huixei ???!!! idk, makes more sense if Kavin is XiMen.
But sounds like the charactors in F4T are going to be different from the ones in other adaptations. DaoMingSi was NOT a musician, but Thyme (Bright) will be HuiXei was NOT a playboy, but Kavin (Win) will be. hm... I'm very curious now !!
Also Bright is top 3 faces of 2020!!!! together with Lee Min Ho ;-) SUSU BRIGHT!!!
So....who's Win playing in F4? Did he not even get second lead as the white guy? lol. He looks like he's playing…
Well, technically all the 4 males are male leads. But I know what you mean when you say 2 of them are supportive roles. Win is Kim Bum in the korean version, and Matsuda in the japanese version.
in as much as i support Bright and Win's individual career, i just think it's too soon for this. Before i became…
I went back to look at my comment, I think I probably should not have made a divide between the BL fans vs the non-BLs. We are all viewers regardless of preferences in genres.
I agree with you that an actor should not be given ML if he's not a capable actor. However, I disagree that Bright is undeserving to play the ML of F4T.
Bright is a relatively experienced actor. He's been casted 7 times as male lead now. F4T will be his 8th. Of the aired 7 MLs productions, 5 of them have ratings above 8. His ML roles spans different genres and different personalities, that's not an easy thing for actors to do, Bright is a diverse actor. The fact that he has been casted ML multiple times by various directors, it says Bright is a more than capable actor.
As for Bright being lacking. All actors have constantly rooms for improvements. In that sense, all actors are lacking. One definitely can find better actors than Bright, but one can also definitely find actors worse than him.
Regarding Bright not fitting the original image of the ML, I'm assuming you meant the one in the novel, instead of first adaptation by the Japanese in 1995, correct? I believe that comment should be directed towards the director and/or the script writer, instead of the actor.
The director and the script writer are the ones who dictates, guides, controls, etc. the storylines, the progression of the series, the building of each charactor, the overseeing of charactor developments, etc etc. It is very common and normal that the adaptations will differ from the original novel, as well as any other earlier on screen versions. It's part of being a director to interpret the story into his own work.
Hence, the question is not whether Bright fits an already established image of a charactor, but rather whether the director casted Bright well enough to carry out how he wanted Thyme to be.
Yes, Bright's good-looks does give him an advantage, however, that's how ALL entertainment industries work everywhere. Being good looking IS an advantage.
Thailand is not the only country that favours western looking actors. India and Philippines are some other countries that also favours the western look.
Bright is fortunate that he possesses unique and exotic features. Moreover, the way he carries himself, his vibes, and his charisma, are all not that easily replacable.
When I watch his interviews, Bright comes across as an intelligent, hard working, good hearted person with relatively deep thinkings. I would not say his current successes is by luck at all. I'd say his achievements and successes as an actor, a model, a musician, and TV show host, are by his own merits.
He is one of the top actors in GMM with a large fan base. Hence he can bring up the ratings of F4T, which benefits not just GMM and the investors, but also the 3 debuting actors.
My opinion is that he'll be a great contibutor to F4T.
These are just my thoughts. I'm aware that some people will not agree with me.
I wouldn't be surprised if they included a gay side couple, but deffinitely it won't be with the main leads.
In the korean version, Lee Min Ho and Kim Bum have a close brothers' relationship, more then the Japanese and Chinese versions. If anything, my guess would be that in F4T, Bright and Win 's brotherhood will be highlighted as well. Bright is playing Lee Min Ho's role and Win Kim Bum's. So not BL as in BrightWin, but 'bros' . Just a guess
The adaption is the director's interpretation of the story. It falls under his responsibility to cast his actors/actresses who will fit his concepts. Casting choices are the decisions, and authorities of the director and CEO/stakeholders. It also falls under the director's responsibility to guide the actors through and make the actors understand his concepts and interpretations.
The comparsion of Bright to the other three male-lead/ML has to take the director's/F4T's specific concepts into consideration. For example:
In Hana Yori Dango, DT is the most violent of all the 3 MLs, he primarily uses his fists to fight, plenty of time too. And MJ has that innate tough image, so he fits DT, and so his perforance is believable to us audience.
In Boys over Flower, GJP is the most elegant of all the 3 MLs. And LMH has that aristocratic and regal style himself. Even in fighting scenes, LMH suits better using traditional swords than fists. It will not be as convincing if MJ was casted as GJP, and vice versa.
In Meteor Garden 2018, DMS is a sucessful selfmade invester who came from the upper-class and has a more childlike and friendly personality. DW is an actor who doesn't have one innate quality that can be easily 'pigeonholed' in a specific catergory, so he worked in the role of DMS, who covers more 'general' qualities.
I think, Bright's success in convincing us audience of the charactor Thyme will largely depend on how well he's being casted, as well as how well the director impart his concepts.
Bright has been casted as male lead 8 times now since 2016 by various directors for various roles and genres. So even though he still has plenty of room to improve, as all actors/actresses do, he's been recognized as a competent enough actor. So please give, not just F4T, but also Bright a chance.
As for BWshippers being annoying, and I'm only speaking this for myself, we know that LOL. And we laugh at ourselves about how we are 'stans'. LOL.
Blame us is OK, but don't forget to blame GMM as well, for being cunning enough to exploit our 'weakness' all along for years. It's exactly GMM's knowledge of BLfans that that we are feeling so upset in the way they announced F4T, it's like GMM deliberately, or at least unthoughtfully, tried to 'hurt' us.
I agree we've been whining a lot lately. Sorry about that.
Take care :-)
It's not just us BL-shippers, but all anti-fans cross lines, which is a serious problem. I would not brush it off.
Unfortunately these issues come with the territory of the entertainment industries all over the world, and all actors/actresses will experience them in their careers.
I put most of the blame on GMM for handling F4T badly, especially KNOWING BrightWin is the hottest international BL Couple right now.
I don't know how strong a person Tu is, but my hope is, and I know some korean agencie s are gradually doing this for their K-Idols now since the increase in suicides amongs the Idols recently, GMM will provide support for Tu at this time. Anything from simple wellness education to more intense mental health prevention and treatments. Just temperarily, until she learns how to handle anti-fans, 'hate'/negative comments, etc. , if she wants to stay in this industry.
Bright has actually casted as ML in various genres and roles before the light-hearted 2gether series. He has been casted as male lead 8 times now, including F4T.
Try 'Social Death Vote'. It's a disturbing series with different stories combined. Bright is in ep 5-6. He plays a violent sadist. To me he did well and maturely, he was only 20years old then. The way he laughed insanely, finding pleasure hitting the girl while making out with her, it was sickening and dark.
Try also 'Korn Aroon Ja Roong'. He plays a gentle young man and a good son. Totally different from 'Social Death Vote'
Try also 'I Sea U', he had to play 2 peronalities simultaniously. It's not easy for even seasoned actors/actresses. And this was his first drama, and he was being casted as ML already.
In 'Love song love series', he's goofy, cute, and adorable.
As for Win, Tine is his first drama role, we don't have other past references of his acting abilities. It won't be fair to claim he'll fail as Kavin in F4T at this point.
I have performances that are special to me in the past. For example, I absolutely loved 'The King and I' with Yul Brynner. When they remade it to 'Anna and the King' with Chow Yun Fat, I thought it won't be as good. But it turned out to be very different and I couldn't really compare them fairly with the same set of criterias. Anna and the King was great too and I loved it just as much.
So try to keep an open mind when you watch F4T, you might enjoy it.
Take care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDheFBQJpy8
This way Win can still be XiMen, which makes sense since Kavin and Ximen are both playboys. HuaZeLei was not a playboy, he's quiet reserve and a violinist in some versions. And Win can be one of the primary boys without being Bright's love rival. They'll be 'brothers' instead of BLs.
The second link states that Kavin (Win) is Hua Zi Lei
Just a note for the first link. It says Bright is the main lead, Win is one of the secondary couple(which is unclear to me if its the other one that got together, or the two that did not), and that Dew and Nani will be the secondary boys.
I'm not sure if you watched the previous adaptations, or maybe just one of them. I can list for you, to match F4, the 4 male leads in the order of the versions: Chinese, Korean, Japanese 2005.
Main role (Bright)= DaoMingSi/GooJoonPyo/Tsukasa
secondary boys (Dew n Nani) = XiMenYan n FengMeiZuo/SooYiJung n SongWooBin/Akira n Sojiro. Hua Zi Lei was not a secondary boy.
That leaves Win(kavin) to be HuaZiLei/YoonJiHo/Rui. i.e. the other primary boy and Bright's love rival.
[...The only way I can think of to make the playboy XiMen as a primary boy (so take over HuaZiLei's position) instead of a secondary one, is if GMM down-plays the rivalry story of the 2 primary boys (DaoMingSi with HuaZiLei in the chinese verson. All the versions have this rival part), and instead up-plays the brotherhood of GoJoonPyo with SooYiJung in the korean version. The other versions did not have that brotherhood part.
This way the 2 secondary boys will be HuaZiLei n FengMeiZuo.
Also in this case, Win(XiMen) will be primary boy (formerly HuaZiLei) WITHOUT being Bright's romantic rival. Plus they will be 'bros' (not BLs).
I'm just guessing, I couod be totally wrong. lol ...]
https://www.somagnews.com/boys-over-flowers-returns-with-f4-thailand/
https://mb.com.ph/2020/09/17/thailand-to-have-its-own-version-of-hit-series-meteor-garden/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVNoBet_bnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiqXtY5aDP4
Looks like GMM will be altering the charactors
hm... i'm getting curious...
But sounds like the charactors in F4T are going to be different from the ones in other adaptations.
DaoMingSi was NOT a musician, but Thyme (Bright) will be
HuiXei was NOT a playboy, but Kavin (Win) will be.
hm... I'm very curious now !!
Also Bright is top 3 faces of 2020!!!! together with Lee Min Ho ;-)
SUSU BRIGHT!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVNoBet_bnQ
Win is Kim Bum in the korean version, and Matsuda in the japanese version.
I agree with you that an actor should not be given ML if he's not a capable actor. However, I disagree that Bright is undeserving to play the ML of F4T.
Bright is a relatively experienced actor. He's been casted 7 times as male lead now. F4T will be his 8th. Of the aired 7 MLs productions, 5 of them have ratings above 8. His ML roles spans different genres and different personalities, that's not an easy thing for actors to do, Bright is a diverse actor. The fact that he has been casted ML multiple times by various directors, it says Bright is a more than capable actor.
As for Bright being lacking. All actors have constantly rooms for improvements. In that sense, all actors are lacking. One definitely can find better actors than Bright, but one can also definitely find actors worse than him.
Regarding Bright not fitting the original image of the ML, I'm assuming you meant the one in the novel, instead of first adaptation by the Japanese in 1995, correct?
I believe that comment should be directed towards the director and/or the script writer, instead of the actor.
The director and the script writer are the ones who dictates, guides, controls, etc. the storylines, the progression of the series, the building of each charactor, the overseeing of charactor developments, etc etc.
It is very common and normal that the adaptations will differ from the original novel, as well as any other earlier on screen versions.
It's part of being a director to interpret the story into his own work.
Hence, the question is not whether Bright fits an already established image of a charactor, but rather whether the director casted Bright well enough to carry out how he wanted Thyme to be.
Yes, Bright's good-looks does give him an advantage, however, that's how ALL entertainment industries work everywhere. Being good looking IS an advantage.
Thailand is not the only country that favours western looking actors. India and Philippines are some other countries that also favours the western look.
Bright is fortunate that he possesses unique and exotic features. Moreover, the way he carries himself, his vibes, and his charisma, are all not that easily replacable.
When I watch his interviews, Bright comes across as an intelligent, hard working, good hearted person with relatively deep thinkings. I would not say his current successes is by luck at all. I'd say his achievements and successes as an actor, a model, a musician, and TV show host, are by his own merits.
He is one of the top actors in GMM with a large fan base. Hence he can bring up the ratings of F4T, which benefits not just GMM and the investors, but also the 3 debuting actors.
My opinion is that he'll be a great contibutor to F4T.
These are just my thoughts. I'm aware that some people will not agree with me.
So not BL as in BrightWin, but 'bros' .
Just a guess
But I dropped LBC2 last week after ep 3. That's as far as my loyalty would go lol.