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To be honest they don't really mention it a lot, but I retained it because of when they were teasing Kalae about being in love with his senior. So I feel like that's why it's not progressing because of the age issue.

I just really like how Kalae keeps protecting Alice, very sweet. We also know that when he saw her for the first time he was like wow'ed which again really soft. No complaints on my side for this pairing, I know it's going slow because she's his senior and I feel like he doesn't know how to approach it.

I don't think Wayu would chase either, but he just needs to give a concrete answer. No more using his introverted shyness, he needs to act. Thanu deserves a concrete response.

I do think Kit just wants Mark to tell him not to go. I mean he was begging him, please tell me not to go. I think Kit is afraid of leaving and loosing Mark, but he's going at this in a really underhanded way. I can kind of excuse it because his bestfriend is dying and he's studying a really difficult major, but he does need some help. I feel like he's drowning.

Yes I do want Kalae and Alice to happen like yesterday. Mostly to see the devastation on Jack and Koh's faces so they can finally admit they like each other.

I went a little astray with my thoughts this time, because I was kind of looking at it from a real life perspective instead of telenovela like I previously was. But I attribute that to stress. As entertainment I have other thoughts on this episode and the pacing. But instead I just let my frustrations out on how I was feeling at the time I watched it. Watch me change my mind on some of these things later.

I was sitting there eating my onion rings getting ready for a fun time, but instead I got hit with a sad filled episode.

SPOILER WARNING

I watched Kimmon’s live and he mentioned that it was going to be a sad, crying journey until about EP 9? So I wasn’t surprised, by Mark & Kit being sad but everything being sad was sad.

Also Bank and Pon casually having all their spoilers for this series leaked on youtube is something I can only chuckle about. (I watched all the spoilers now I’m just waiting for them to actualize). They are no longer up, probably because starhunter was quick to remove them but, I got a lot of info that I now have to keep to myself. It could also have changed but let’s just enjoy the Starhunter boys spoiling everything on Instalive in the meantime.

END OF SPOILER

On with my thoughts of the show. I just want to say that apart from all the sadness, I have extremely strong opinions on this episode.

Pok X Tong

I’m about ready to get a skillet and hit Pok in the face to get him to come to his senses. He’s compartmentalizing right now, in the sense that he’s making swimming his whole life and persona. SWIM4LIFE bro. Which means common sense has left him completely. I understand that he couldn’t be the one to report the bullying because his scholarship, as in season 1 stated, he cannot be in any fights or he will loose it. They’ve made it pretty clear in season 2 that Pok is broke and this scholarship is the only thing keeping him in this university. So I understand he couldn’t do anything about it but to get mad at Tong because he reported it is dumbassery. There will be more competitions and it will not end his whole world, but Tong might GTFO if he keeps being spewed hatred at- the only way Pok’s reaction would make any sense is if, him not being able to swim put his scholarship at risk. But it’s all grade related so- ALSO the fuckers in the principals office who LEAKED Tong as being the culpirt for this need to get fired. VIOLATION OF PRIVACY and I bet Tong’s going to get his ass beat and that’s how him and Pok are going to reconcile. (I’m mad thinking about this).

Sandee X Phai

I love Sandee, but he looked like death in this episode. Maybe his conscience was finally punching him in the face, but the man looks like he hasn’t slept in a week. It’s like he was totally okay being the villain and once it held no purpose he just deflated into despair and sleep deprivation. I can tell they’re really putting it on thick so that we can see the remorse, but he needs to prove it with his actions now, not just his words. I have way too much to say about Pok being on Sight for Sandee, about how I kind of wish it happened, only because maybe we could do the good ole trope of we fought each other with our fists and now we’re okay again thing.

Phai’s a cutie I love him.

Wayu X Thanu

I WAS HOPING HARD, that this episode would have Wayu chasing after Thanu for once. He gave him an anonymous coffee, and then was trying to run away and hide again. I don’t know, they gave Wayu so much agency with Pha, and then they reduced him to secretly expressing my feelings for you dude. I’m just mad, because if he had the kahona’s to say to Pha, I don’t like you, the implication is that he likes Thanu. JUST TELL THANU EVERYONE KNOWS. BUY HIM FLOWERS AND APOLOGIZE, Thanu has been a champ this entire time and he deserves to be pampered and respected. Give Wayu full agency instead of this weird haphazard one.

Mark X Kit

I CALLED IT, I knew if Mark showed up, even with Kit saying whoever gives up first will see the other, I KNEW Kit couldn’t let go of the control he has. It has to be on Kit’s terms and frankly I would like to yeet him into oblivion. Mark deserves better and at this point Kit is loosing all his points from me. I can kind of understand being a tsundere, but like at the core of it when you’re in a relationship you can’t just make someone bend and bend and bend, eventually they break. Just a pile of sad. I can’t be more coherant about this.

TL:DR: Thanu, Mark, Tong deserve better partners, and frankly I’m getting to the point where only Wayu could possibly redeem himself. I know they’ll all end up back together but IRL I’m fuming this is frustrating. Also Phai deserves the world, and I bet Padbok is coming back to be a gangster for their thing and I hope him and Sab Kiss. Okay thanks! :) Back to discord and obscurity.

I agree with everything you said here! They do employ a lot of violence on Sandee, but I have to say he did get a group of men to beat up Pok in season 1. (If Tong had been there he too would have received a beating and one far worse then Pok, because Sandee admitted that he told them to be harsh on Tong). Violence, period is not a great thing. He doesn't physically fight anyone but he did employ someone else to do it for him. Again violence isn't excusable.

That said, of course he's redeemable because he's handsome. That's the case for most villains in BL's, if they're handsome enough they do get absolved. To be fair if this was real life I'd have several objections and I wouldn't have given Sandee a chance, and heck there's other characters that I would've sent packing.

As a drama I want Sandee redeemed for the entertainment of it all. (In real life I'd question having someone like that around me or my friends). But again I agree, I want Sandee x Phai, and I've wanted it since season 1 so it floats my boat if they end up together. I'm willing to just look the other way if every other character is too!

Even if his actions are misguided, they still have a villainous intent. We understand that Sandee doesn't exactly want to harm others, because his ultimate goal is Phai's happiness, but he becomes the villain in the way he monopolizes his knowledge. He knows it will destroy Pok and Tong's relationship if he tells the whole truth to Pok, but he does it because Pok accidentally injures Phai. He knows he's going to cause tension between wayu/thanu because their relationship isn't grounded and he actively goes and causes others pain. He crosses the boundaries of misguided and into villainy with his intent. (Doesn't mean I don't like him, he's my favorite character in this series and as I've said before I SIMP for Sandee's evil and even in season 1 he was my favorite with Phai). But we have to acknowledge that he way surpasses misguided. Misguided is making sure Phai and Thanu are always in the same room. It doesn't hurt anyone but it's a little weird. What he does is evil and it becomes obsession because even with the object of his affection right in front of him begging him to stop, he's only stopped right before the point of no return by drastic measures. Being willing to loose all your friends, even the person you care for, against that persons wishes, because of the way you perceive something becomes obsession. (I think it's fine and I'm curious as to how they'll play this off). But again that's just my opinion and I wanted to clarify why I said it was that way, if you still don't agree that's okay! I like seeing other's views on his behaviors it's interesting!

I agree with everything you wrote. Which is why I think his villainy could be well served if he used it against Pok's problem at the moment. I feel like it might somewhat redeem him with the Junior's and we get him being a tad bit evil. But again I do think this is the right time to have him come to realization so he can come out slightly undamaged by using Phai's capital as a good person.

Do I wish he kept up being Evil and really committed and somehow was the villain and Phai's love interest, yes. Do I think its possible, yes because as shown Phai clearly has some interest in Sandee, regardless of whether he realizes it or not at this point, it just proves that Sandee can be evil and get Phai. But I don't think we're going down this route, and if he will, Sandee, keep being "evil" it would be in benefit to people he cares about. He cares about Phai so it would be in benefit to Phai, ergo Phai cares about Pok .... I just feel like Sandee knows some people who could set the issue straight. We can all dream!

But yeah at this point, I don't believe him, until he proves he is 100% on the path he says he is. I do think he was shocked by Phai's tattoo, thinking of it as an extreme measure so maybe he really did get his whole world view shaken but, again, psychological breakthroughs come in stages, it doesn't mean he's done being a bit of a maniac.

In my now post-haze re-watch of the episode, I'm sitting here wondering if perhaps, Sandee backpedaled as quickly, i.e. his show of remorse, only because he realized, as a true villain would realize, that the object of his affection (i don't like this term) is perhaps interested in him, and he did some mental calculations in which he could win, Phai's affection and still come out moderately undamaged.

Maybe he did have some big epiphany, doubt it, or maybe he's just playing nice, until he has Phai for himself and then we'll get to see villain Sandee again. (Doubt it, but I would be so entertained, if Sandee was raking back up his good will and then we find out that he hasn't changed a single bit, entertaining, but poor Phai).

At this point I'm a SIMP for villain Sandee, but Phai deserves a nice relationship so I do hope it was a real come to realization moment. But typically, psychological breakthroughs don't happen as quickly as this, and I have to sit here wondering, until proven otherwise, if this isn't just more manipulation in Sandee's favor this time. Because at the end of the day Sandee was doing this for Phai, and if he now believes Phai to like him, and that he stands a chance of being with Phai, whose to say he won't manipulation or play the game he needs to play to get to the ending that benefits him and benefits Phai. Because the whole sphere of Sandee's psychology is that he operates, as confirmed by himself, only to provide Phai with what he deserves. So if Phai suddenly expresses that he deserves Sandee, well why wouldn't Sandee just switch to that purpose.

This is just me realizing that they may not have intentionally realized it but Sandee operates not on Justice but on obsession. He's obsessed with Phai, I wonder if we're going to see it play out, but if not well there's fanfiction I'm sure. Just me speculating a lot of word vomit, but that's where I stand today.

I was going to wait until the morning to review Ep. 6 but I just have to say that I’m exceptionally pleased with this episode. Maniacally pleased? One we got thirst trapped by Phai, and Phai finally got to be centerfold in the episode after essentially being the causation (by casualty) of the drama. It was nice to see him put his foot down, speak his mind, and give us (mostly me, team Phai captain here) the context clues as to how him and Sandee were going to end up together. Sandee’s love for Phai was out in full force, the nuance, the reigned in behavior the A+ caring and pain. (Surprisingly well done in such a short amount of time?) I know we’re going to have to hash out the rest of the friend group, but Phai has Sandee’s back and since Phai is beloved by everyone I do think we’re going to see a slow re-introduction to sandee into the friend group via Phai’s capital. (please don’t mess this up). Also Sandee could put his evil to go use on the problem 3 bothering Pok, just an idea!!

About everything else, Koh and Jack, was a weird white knight, situation. I honestly liked their weird denial dynamic and I was kind of hoping their relationship would be based on them pretending to want to date other people but really ending up together places. It was fun, and cute and fresh.

Kit is really proving that he’s our 90’s Tsundere, and I stick to that analysis. Mark’s going to be the one who's going to suffer, because I feel like even if Kit says that whoever ends up quitting first is going to stop this little charade, if it’s not Kit, himself, he’s just going to stonewall Mark. I’m not ready for sad Mark, but I anticipate we’re on Kit’s timeline and no go on that front until Kit makes the move.

Pok and Tong made me sad, and I hope they rectify everything, sooner, rather then later. Pok needs a lot of support right now, and Tong can be that support. But they needed the time apart to build value of each other.

Honestly, not as deep as my usual reviews, but I enjoyed this episode and it’s all going in the direction I was expecting it to go. Even the Thanu/Wayu thing... Thanu couldve been a bit more direct, but it’s also time for Wayu to do some chasing and that’s on that.

I agree with everything you wrote. We'll just have to wait and see how they go about the rest of the series.

To be fair I think Phai wasn't in love with Thanu, I think he was infatuated with the idea of being in love with Thanu, pushed by "visions". Like how are you supposed to react when you have visions with someone, I do think he was confused, and I do think he realized after letting Thanu go that he wasn't interested, but that it was momentary infatuation.

I just rewatched season 1, and agree there was chemistry between Sandee and Phai. In fact I think the reason Sandee is so obsessed with giving Thanu back to Phai is because Sandee is in love with Phai. Probably has been in love with Phai for a long time, he even says that he would do anything for Phai. (If we're not having a Romeo trope right here I don't really know) It's bound to somewhat be a disaster because Sandee has an unhealthy attachment to Phai. By ending in disaster I mean, someone might get injured or something worse- I hope he doesn't go that far, but I've seen it in plenty of thai dramas, people doing EVIL things for love. (don't get me wrong I would be watching happily but I think some people wouldn't enjoy it). They've had people redeemed after murder in some shows.

That being said, I like Sandee (even if he's completely deranged right now) and I like Phai. I don't disagree with you at all! I just think at this point in time, Phai doesn't realize he doesn't like Thanu, and who knows maybe that's what he needs to figure out in order to get Sandee to snap out of it. I do want more Phai storyline, so I'll take whatever they give us! I just meant that I don't think Phai ever realized his own feelings for Sandee, because in Season 1 there are points where you can see Sandee hinting and it goes over Phai's head.

I'm okay with them getting together even if Sandee is only slightly redeemed, but that's tv!

They are each others introvert and extrovert, and they haven't navigated the intricacies of their needs and their wants when it comes to a relationship and being together. I knew they were eventually going to have to have a fight, and I somewhat expected it to be a one sided fight. To be honest I think Mark will be the one to fix this problem and if he does then I would actually expect more fighting to happen, only because this would return them to their usual dynamic, where Mark bends and Kit expects disappointment. ( it's why I think we glossed over the hickey in S1, not that Kit should've been angry but as a Tsundere and with his personality I was expecting a serious fight but he was already willing to be disappointed so he just got a bit angry and let it go, never to be like properly resolved).

But they like each other and differing personalities can work if they communicate, but that would mean Kit needs to bring down his walls and if Mark is the one who fixes this problem (which he probably will since he's a fixer) their relationship won't be as solid as it should going into year 2. Love can only do so much before it's not enough, but it is a Soap/BL so I expect it not to matter too much and maybe their love will conquer all. (I'll have fun watching it either way!)

I'm glad my comment resonated with you, I know my opinions are coming from a different angle, and I understand a lot of people are seeing the show in a different manner then I am, but then again I think everyone is like a little planet and their experiences make up their understanding of things so I always try to come and see things from others points of view. (I do understand why people might not enjoy episode 5, but I probably enjoy it for all the reasons they don't and that's okay too!)

Phai being the trope of the too good guy liking the villain to the end is honestly so much fun to watch. Except it's an even more interesting trope if you think about it because Phai currently likes Thanu, and Sandee wasn't and hasn't been a viable choice in partners for him. I cannot wait (if that's the end game here) to see what switch is flipped in which Phai stops seeing Sandee as the anti-hero who can be redeemed and the boy he likes? (I also expect some toxicity from this but I am here for the entertainment).

Pok and Tong feel so familiar for me because I've seen people in my real life be them. So that's why I'm rooting for them in the end, because at least they were able to sit together and not bite each other's heads off, so progress (from Pok at least, Tong is already in love mode).

Agreed, the reason I like Gen Y, Gen Y 2 so much is because it's not a typical BL, and I think that's why people may not be liking it as much. It's not using all of the typical BL formulas. (Some yes are very present) but others are Soap tropes and I love seeing them be applied in a BL. (Sandee as the SURPRISE villain that was your friend all along, and P'Pha dying, very Soap tropes) It has me hooked.

To be fair, I've said it before but Sandee is my favorite character. Since season 1 actually, and seeing him and his evil shenanigans is a highlight for me. I love a good villain, and sometimes as much as I don't like it I enjoy seeing the villain win in a strange way?

I do think that once we have the extended cuts we might see things differently. So I'm only making judgement on what I have access so far. But I'm enjoying it.

Pour devrait la réalité c'est que le show est pour les partisan en Thaïlande qui on voté pour leur fanservice. L'histoire est à la seconde et le regroupement est le numéro uno!

Ceci dit, j'adore Phai et j'aimerais en avoir plus de lui sur le show et en savoir plus. Mais bof, on va finir par y arriver si seulement parce que Sandee est inclus.

As much as I was also hoping that Kit and Mark would've grown within the year they were together, I saw how little Kit did in terms of growth and how Mark was always bending, so I saw this coming from a mile away, just by my own understanding of Kit as a major Tsundere. I think they'll be fine in the end but this was unavoidable.

Yes Thanu and Wayu are a great match, and I have no complaints about them. I do agree that Pha has a tendency to infantilize Wayu and it's not good, I was being lenient on him because if he has a brain tumor, sometimes we undergo personality changes and I feel like maybe that could be that. (I'm being too hopeful I know). It's not right, and Wayu needs to give himself permission to his own personal autonomy more.

I think Phai is a bit of pushover when it comes to Sandee (and I love Phai so I'm saying this gently), and so my initial thoughts stand. He put Sandee on a pedestal and Sandee won't fall far enough for Phai to not forgive him. (it might not be everyone's favorite thing but that's where I'm seeing it go for now, it could change).

It does feel like the extended cut might resolve some pacing issues, but I'm waiting for everything to be out before I buy it.

For Episode 5, I got a lot of mixed feelings by reading everyone else’s comments on this episode, but since I often disagree with everyone I decided to reserve judgement to when I saw it myself. First I need to state that my point of view on some of these characters differs wildly to everyone else, so I’m coming at this from a different point of view entirely. I’m also seeing this drama as less of a BL and more of a Soap style show, and in Thailand those often have ridiculous plot lines so I’m use to them and I’m not shocked that there are some inconsistencies.

I never disliked P’Pha, not even in season 1, because to be fair he broke up with Wayu before he ghosted and so at that point he had done a reasonable effort to not just leave and straight up Ghost Wayu. Sometimes in real life we don’t get the closure we want from our relationships, platonic or romantic and I thought that was a fair plot line.

I never hated Thanu for coming in and going through some confusion about Phai and Wayu, because Thanu is a good guy, and both Phai and Wayu are good people. Heck I love them both, but realistically it made more sense for Thanu to pick Wayu, because Phai in all reality was a high school student and that’s a lot of intensity to put on a first relationship in Phai’s case. Thanu choosing Wayu was the logical option.

Tong and Pok to me are a realistic toxic couple, they are dramatic, they are unhealthy and cruel to each other but they remind me of some of my High School friend’s relationships and how some people do awful things while they’re learning to communicate. It doesn’t excuse anything, and in fact they’re going to owe each other a huge apology and a serious discussion but it’s the reality that some couples aren’t good for each other at first and time apart sets them right.

Now for Mark and Kit, I see Kit as the embodiment of a 90’s tsundere, and this is why episode 5 didn’t shock me in the least. I could see that while Mark was talking about doing everything he could to support Kit while he was away, Kit’s tsundere instinct latched onto “being apart” and he wasn’t going to be able to let it go. Actually you see this trait in a lot of how Kit operates, and why he manipulates a lot of the situations that he’s in because he has an awful time letting people in, and trusting them, so he operates on a level in which everyone is out to eventually disappoint him, even Mark. He sets up the expectation, he hears half the sentence and he acts on half the information. That’s his operational standard, so I was expecting them to have this fight. A fight Mark didn’t even know he was having because Mark was trying to explain that he would support him and they would get through this distance, but Kit was in, oh so he wants me gone mode, and that was all she wrote. I’m sure they’ll talk it through once Kit’s actual empathetic and logical side takes over, but Kit’s emotional prone to make rash decisions side just heard what it was waiting for, they need to build some trust in this relationship. But I wasn’t surprised, and I was waiting for this kind of situation to pop up.

Phai and Sandee- we saw so little of Sandee in this ep, which was sad, he does make for good entertainment, however, he’s a one goal type guy and his current goal is Thanu and Phai should be together. Now I love Phai, don’t get me wrong, but (I just rewatched with my friends season 1 and I have some observations), Phai has a habit of placing ultimate belief on Sandee. Sandee is the protector of Justice, and I’m sure he has his reasons. Sandee told me this horrible thing but I kept it to myself because, well I’m sure Sandee has his reasons. And this is why I think Phai and Sandee will end up together because Phai has elevated Sandee so even if Sandee falls, as a villain, he’ll never hit the ground. You can see it in episode 5 with how Phai looks sad when he can’t go talk to Sandee, when all his other friends are there.

This is all to say I actually liked episode 5, we had to eventually see the outcome of all of Sandee’s meddling, and sure it was going to cause a more slow pace episode but, there’s always that one episode that has to ground all the context that happened because how else are they going to start new plot lines? I do think P’Pha will end up dying, and Wayu and Thanu are end game, but that’s just because I think we need Kit to hit the ground in despair and that would probably do it? (not that I want that, but season 1 is lovey dovey and apart from Padbok choking Kit, his life is great). I don't want anyone to suffer but suffering and redemption seems to be a sub-theme here.

I would hope it wouldn't be weird for Kit or Wayu, but just by the way everything is set up it feels like it would be weird?

But I unfortunately agree, due to the promotion material I do think Sandee is getting a redemption arc, and he'll end up with Phai or we'll see it in season 3.