Can we talk the Queen Mother?I cannot remember her story, other than she lost someone.
Before she became the Royal Mother of Jade Mountain, she was sworn siblings with the Queen of Xiyan (CX's grandmother), before she became the Queen of Xiyan, and the second to last King of Chenrong, before he became the King of Chenrong. They had years of happiness and freedom together before each of them ended up in the coldest and loneliest positions in palaces ruling over their respective lands.
XY's mother lived with her for 60 years once, long before XY was born, and XY was also her disciple during the 70 years that she lived on Jade Mountain as a child before running away.
I'm pretty sure one of the Mandarin fics (which several other fans have used Google Translate to read in English) includes the idea of XL's soul surviving either in the big-bellied laughing doll or XY's mirror. Something along those lines. If you ask in the thread, I'm sure there will be someone who can point you to the right one.
Can anyone tell me whether is it true that the doll Ah Nian gave Xiaoyao at the end for her wedding present contains…
In the novel, XL hid his well-wishes for XY (and the modified ice crystal ball) inside the big-bellied laughing doll and used his own blood to create a formation to seamlessly seal the ice crystal ball inside the big-bellied laughing doll. But there was no hard evidence to suggest that he left a fragment of his soul inside the doll.
However, the idea that XL left a fragment of his soul / part of himself inside the big-bellied laughing doll or similar objects has come up (or at least been interpreted into) certain fanfics.
You can't tell me what to do! I'll continue to NOT use the spoiler function on my essay-size posts. So there!!!!!…
At first I thought you must be joking and I was going to make a William Wallace reference. Then I wondered if perhaps you were actually very passionate about having everyone see your long comments and not feeling obligated to hide them and just used the emojis to soften the blow. So I figured it would be better to not assume sarcasm. Nice to know you really weren't being serious. ^^
I see the point you are making, but that phrasing almost makes it sound like XL never gave XY anything. When he…
We have different interpretations then. The way I see it, in both the drama and the novel, for the vast majority of the story XY was not "always 'cowering' or on guard that he would hit her."
I see the point you are making, but that phrasing almost makes it sound like XL never gave XY anything. When he…
Oh you were referring to blabla100's original post in this thread.
I think she clarified that she shared the quote in that comment to illustrate the way that XY was interacting with XL. Specifically that XY didn't interact with XL like she was afraid of him.
Hi friends and fellow fans. I've noticed that there have been quite a lot of very long posts in the comment section recently. Nothing wrong with long posts of course (I've made my fair share of them too ^^), but as someone who has been on MDL for 7 years, I wanted to share something that I only figured out about 3 years ago after asking about it in the feeds.
The "mark as a spoiler" feature in the comment sections and feeds are primarily intended for / used to help hide spoilers from users who might not want to see them. But often MDL users will also use that feature to hide comments that are very long so that other users (especially users on mobile) can easily scroll past them quickly while still being able to open them and scroll through them if they want to.
Users who use the "mark as spoiler" feature this way do so as a curtesy to other users. It's not a rule or anything and you don't have to follow this approach if you don't want to. But it's a nice thing to do to make other users' experience just a little bit more pleasant and convenient.
I see the point you are making, but that phrasing almost makes it sound like XL never gave XY anything. When he…
I loved that moment in the novel when XL used the bug connection to share the burden of XY's heartache and then XY created the dark-coloured poisons for XL in order to purge the rest of her pain. I was sad to see it wasn't included in the drama.
You're also making me think of another moment in the novel that describe's XY's thoughts and feelings when she created her poisons for XL.
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Chapter 25:
Xiao Yao stared at the water clock and the minute hand was getting closer to the time of the wedding. Right now Jing and Yi Yang must be standing in the ceremonial hall. The water dropped one by one and each drop was like a poison dropping on Xiao Yao’s heart. It pierced her through into hundreds and thousands of pockmarks. Xiao Yao knew she shouldn’t think about it but it was like she was possessed and she stared at the water clock thinking of when Jing would say his vows.
The Tu Shan residence must be decked out and bustling with activity.
Jing wearing a groom outfit, standing side-by-side with Yi Yang.
The officiant calling out as Jing and Yi Yang started to go through the wedding rites. Yi Yang got her wish come true and she must be thrilled, but what about Jing? What was his expression….
Xiao Yao suddenly felt her heart beating wildly and was so unexpected she couldn’t catch her breath and it banished all the images in her mind.
Zhuan Xu asked, “Are you feeling sick?”
Xiao Yao shook her head. “No! But a bit stuffy and suddenly want some fresh air.”
Xiao Yao rushed out the door and Zhuan Xu hurriedly draped a fur cloak around her. Xiao Yao stood in the courtyard staring up at the blue sky. Why did Xiang Liu suddenly make her feel his presence? Did he feel her pain? Or was it because he was currently in Qing Qiu watching Yi Yang and Jing get married and remembered she might not be happy about it? Was he mocking her? Or trying to console her?
Zhuan Xu asked, “What are you thinking about?”
Xiao Yao said, “I suddenly remembered the voodoo bug I planted in Xiang Liu. My body’s pain, he has to feel all of it. But what about my heartache? Does he also need to endure it? He said he has nine bodies so my pain isn’t too much for him to endure. But what about the heart? He only has one heart!”
Zhuan Xu grabbed Xiao Yao by the shoulders and harshly said, “I don’t care what your relationship with him was in Qing Shui Town. Do not remain close to him now!”
Xiao Yao smiled bitterly. “I know!”
Zhuan Xu said, “Even though you keep saying the bug has no ill effects, when you’re all better it’s best to find a way to remove it.”
“Yes!”
Xiao Yao stared at the blue sky and quietly felt her heart beating as one with another heart. The pressure and pain on her heart lessened, probably because another heart was taking some of the burden from her.
Xiao Yao got better and she started making poisons again.
When she was sick Zhuan Xu got all sorts of herbs and medicines but she didn’t use much of it so now it came in handy to use.
Xiao Yao smiled as usual but all the poisons she made were dark color. Black bats, black crows, black lover birds, black hibiscus….each one she placed in the box and totally gave off the impression that the maker was in a foul mood indeed. But during the process of making these dark and dreary poisons, Xiao Yao released all of her pain.
...
She snuck away to the Tu Shan clan messenger service to mail the poisons to Xiang Liu.
Xiao Yao couldn’t help but smile when she imagined his displeasure when he saw this batch of poisons.
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Chapter 16:
Xiao Yao started spending more time developing her poisons. Late into the night, she would lay on the pallet playing with her poisons and thinking of how to make it even better in terms of prettier and not necessarily more poisonous.
She had memorized the Sheng Nong Herb Manuel left by the Flame Emperor, who the entire world regarded as the progenitor of medicine. She also flipped through all the Gao Xing and Xuan Yuan medical books. She didn’t doubt her poison's ability to be deadly, she just wanted to make it look pretty. She stared at the phoenix flower and researched a few days and worked a few nights and finally created a perfect replica of the small red phoenix flower with the same intoxicating fragrance. She made the poison layered on it like the morning dew.
Every one of her poisons was one of her longing, one of her missing, one of her feelings. She created it and watched it come to life in her hands, and then carefully put it away to send out.
Xiao Yao wondered what Xiang Liu would think when he saw the poisons. Would he call her a pervert / abnormal [变态]?
I just started s2 since it is almost ending and have to be honest i forgot a lot of stuff from s1. can someone…
Chi Chen was Chenrong's top general in the war between Chenrong and Xiyan.
In S1, we learned that when XY's mother led the Xiyan army in the last battle of the war, she and Chi Chen faced each other and, according to all reports, both died on the battlefield. Xiyan won that battle, so Chenrong was conquered by Xiyan.
Also in S1, we learned that Xiang Liu's life was saved by Hong Jiang. Hong Jiang was also a general for Chenrong and he leads the remnants of Chenrong's army, which retreated to the mountains outside of neutral Qingshui town after the last battle. After Hong Jiang and his remnant army were abandoned by the world, Xiang Liu returned to Hong Jiang to repay his life debt. But as he fought with Hong Jiang and the remnant army, Xiang Liu formed close bonds with Hong Jiang and his men. Hong Jiang adopted Xiang Liu as his son and Xiang Liu ended up fighting with them long after he had repaid his debt out of true affection and loyalty.
Hong Jiang and Chi Chen were both generals of Chenrong, but they were not close. And Xiang Liu started fighting with Hong Jiang's remnant army after Chi Chen reportedly died in the last battle. So Xiang Liu never met Chi Chen. But the two of them share many similarities.
When young XY ran away from Jade Mountain in S1, it was partly because she overheard upsetting rumours that the King of Haoling was not her real father and that her real father was actually Chi Chen.
When XY was nearly assassinated in S1, it was because a man who held a grudge against Chi Chen recognized that XY had Chi Chen's eyes and chose to take his revenge against Chi Chen's daughter.
CX made her mulberry wine, Jing gave her plum wine, while XY was busy making beautiful poisons for XL"Xiao Yao…
I see the point you are making, but that phrasing almost makes it sound like XL never gave XY anything. When he gave her the most.
CX and TSJ gave XY wine and I'm sure FFB would have bought XY many drinks and meals. TSJ also gave XY the fish amythest (which would allow her to breathe under water for ten hours) and CX gave XY the ruo mu flower (which would allow XY to command the ruo mu army).
But XL gave her transfusions of his essential blood on every full moon for 37 years. On average, there are 12.37 full moons a year. So approximtely 457 transfusions. Giving XY the ablility to breathe under water for any length of time without requiring assisstance, giving her the ability to swim faster than a dolphin, and even giving her better eyesight. The transfusions made XY a daughter of the ocean, and when XY felt like she had nowhere to go, XL reminded her that the ocean would always have a place for her.
XL accepted the bug transfer despite knowing that if XY died while the bug connection was in place, her death might cause his death. XL sacrificed an extra life to extend XY's life and sacrificed another extra life to break the bug connection between them so that his death would not cause her death.
XL spent over ten years teaching XY archery. He also commissioned a bow from the greatest master forger made from legendary materials for her, without taking credit for it. He gave her the means to protect herself.
XL chose to use an extreme and painful method of waking XY up at the end of her 37 years of healing so that she could get to TSJ in time to save his life. And, at least in the novel, when TSJ was "killed" in chapter 42, XL saved him and revived him in time to stop XY from becoming the Royal Mother. He ensured that XY would have a person to rely on.
XL added a figure (representing TSJ) to the ice crystal ball and carved his well-wishes for XY into the ice crystal ball before hiding it inside a big-bellied laughing doll that he carved himself and sending it to someone else (Sir Bi in the novel, Ah Nian in the drama) to give to XY as a wedding present. In the novel, the doll was the first thing that made XY smile in the days after she found out about XL's death.
I agree that the drama has added some new scenes (ones that are not in the novel) that make XL and TSJ seem like…
"Like every time he noticed Jing being nearby he will try to pull Xiaoyao closer to him, to make him upset/jealous?"
In the novel, I felt like it was the opposite of that. When XY got too close to XL and TSJ was nearby, he pushed XY away from himself and towards TSJ or used TSJ to keep XY from clinging to him or following him.
Chapter 24 - XY expresses that she wishes she could have been the person who saved XL and if she had she would only ever let him be FFB. XL sees TSJ behind XY and scares XY into TSJ's arms and XY runs away with TSJ.
Chapter 37 - XL walks across the ocean and XY speaks to him from the deck of a ship. XL casts a spell to prevent others from listening in, but creates an exception and allows TSJ to hear. When XL leaves, XY tries to climb over the railing of the ship to dive after him, but TSJ steps forward and holds her back.
Chapter 38 - After XL transforms and meets with TSJ, XY recognizes him. She clings to XL's arm until XL points out that he would have left if she wasn't clinging to him. XY asks if TSJ is still back in the gambling den where XL met with him, and XL tells her that TSJ has been behind her the whole time. TSJ then steps forward and takes XY's hand and XL leaves.
XL doesn't care for Jing. He simply saved Jing for XY because it is what she wanted. XL is too proud, caustic,…
I agree that the drama has added some new scenes (ones that are not in the novel) that make XL and TSJ seem like they aren't on great terms / might not like each other very much at certain points in the story. And we lost out on some nice moments between them (like each of them thanking the other in chapter 35). Those are among the many drama changes that sadden me. But even with those added scenes that indicated at least momentary instances of frustration or tension, I still felt like there was a certain level of respect between them.
For the novel, which scene are you referring to? Where XL laughed at TSJ and chastised him?
When XL put up spells that prevented others from eavesdropping on him and XY but allowed TSJ to listen in, I didn't view that as XL taunting TSJ. It felt like he was being cautious against the rest of the world, but not TSJ, who was allowed to listen in and reassure himself that XY was okay / come forward at the right time when he was mentioned or when XL wanted TSJ to hold XY back from following XL when he left.
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XY's mother lived with her for 60 years once, long before XY was born, and XY was also her disciple during the 70 years that she lived on Jade Mountain as a child before running away.
I'm pretty sure one of the Mandarin fics (which several other fans have used Google Translate to read in English) includes the idea of XL's soul surviving either in the big-bellied laughing doll or XY's mirror. Something along those lines. If you ask in the thread, I'm sure there will be someone who can point you to the right one.
When I mentioned "interpreted into" in my previous comment, I was thinking of liddi's interpretation of part of my fic. A link to the fic is included in the comment I linked above. Liddi's comment about her original interpretation (that XL's blood and power that were absorbed into the doll / ice crystal ball led to XY having a dream about XL) can be found here: https://kisskh.at/discussions/lost-you-forever/124319-fan-fiction-thread-for-lost-you-forever?pid=3013911&page=5#p3013911. My thinking, when I wrote the fic, was a bit different: https://kisskh.at/discussions/lost-you-forever/124319-fan-fiction-thread-for-lost-you-forever?pid=3008085&page=3#p3008085 / https://kisskh.at/discussions/lost-you-forever/124319-fan-fiction-thread-for-lost-you-forever?pid=3013573&page=5#p3013573.
However, the idea that XL left a fragment of his soul / part of himself inside the big-bellied laughing doll or similar objects has come up (or at least been interpreted into) certain fanfics.
I think she clarified that she shared the quote in that comment to illustrate the way that XY was interacting with XL. Specifically that XY didn't interact with XL like she was afraid of him.
The "mark as a spoiler" feature in the comment sections and feeds are primarily intended for / used to help hide spoilers from users who might not want to see them. But often MDL users will also use that feature to hide comments that are very long so that other users (especially users on mobile) can easily scroll past them quickly while still being able to open them and scroll through them if they want to.
Users who use the "mark as spoiler" feature this way do so as a curtesy to other users. It's not a rule or anything and you don't have to follow this approach if you don't want to. But it's a nice thing to do to make other users' experience just a little bit more pleasant and convenient.
You're also making me think of another moment in the novel that describe's XY's thoughts and feelings when she created her poisons for XL.
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Chapter 25:
Xiao Yao stared at the water clock and the minute hand was getting closer to the time of the wedding. Right now Jing and Yi Yang must be standing in the ceremonial hall. The water dropped one by one and each drop was like a poison dropping on Xiao Yao’s heart. It pierced her through into hundreds and thousands of pockmarks. Xiao Yao knew she shouldn’t think about it but it was like she was possessed and she stared at the water clock thinking of when Jing would say his vows.
The Tu Shan residence must be decked out and bustling with activity.
Jing wearing a groom outfit, standing side-by-side with Yi Yang.
The officiant calling out as Jing and Yi Yang started to go through the wedding rites. Yi Yang got her wish come true and she must be thrilled, but what about Jing? What was his expression….
Xiao Yao suddenly felt her heart beating wildly and was so unexpected she couldn’t catch her breath and it banished all the images in her mind.
Zhuan Xu asked, “Are you feeling sick?”
Xiao Yao shook her head. “No! But a bit stuffy and suddenly want some fresh air.”
Xiao Yao rushed out the door and Zhuan Xu hurriedly draped a fur cloak around her. Xiao Yao stood in the courtyard staring up at the blue sky. Why did Xiang Liu suddenly make her feel his presence? Did he feel her pain? Or was it because he was currently in Qing Qiu watching Yi Yang and Jing get married and remembered she might not be happy about it? Was he mocking her? Or trying to console her?
Zhuan Xu asked, “What are you thinking about?”
Xiao Yao said, “I suddenly remembered the voodoo bug I planted in Xiang Liu. My body’s pain, he has to feel all of it. But what about my heartache? Does he also need to endure it? He said he has nine bodies so my pain isn’t too much for him to endure. But what about the heart? He only has one heart!”
Zhuan Xu grabbed Xiao Yao by the shoulders and harshly said, “I don’t care what your relationship with him was in Qing Shui Town. Do not remain close to him now!”
Xiao Yao smiled bitterly. “I know!”
Zhuan Xu said, “Even though you keep saying the bug has no ill effects, when you’re all better it’s best to find a way to remove it.”
“Yes!”
Xiao Yao stared at the blue sky and quietly felt her heart beating as one with another heart. The pressure and pain on her heart lessened, probably because another heart was taking some of the burden from her.
Xiao Yao got better and she started making poisons again.
When she was sick Zhuan Xu got all sorts of herbs and medicines but she didn’t use much of it so now it came in handy to use.
Xiao Yao smiled as usual but all the poisons she made were dark color. Black bats, black crows, black lover birds, black hibiscus….each one she placed in the box and totally gave off the impression that the maker was in a foul mood indeed. But during the process of making these dark and dreary poisons, Xiao Yao released all of her pain.
...
She snuck away to the Tu Shan clan messenger service to mail the poisons to Xiang Liu.
Xiao Yao couldn’t help but smile when she imagined his displeasure when he saw this batch of poisons.
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Chapter 16:
Xiao Yao started spending more time developing her poisons. Late into the night, she would lay on the pallet playing with her poisons and thinking of how to make it even better in terms of prettier and not necessarily more poisonous.
She had memorized the Sheng Nong Herb Manuel left by the Flame Emperor, who the entire world regarded as the progenitor of medicine. She also flipped through all the Gao Xing and Xuan Yuan medical books. She didn’t doubt her poison's ability to be deadly, she just wanted to make it look pretty. She stared at the phoenix flower and researched a few days and worked a few nights and finally created a perfect replica of the small red phoenix flower with the same intoxicating fragrance. She made the poison layered on it like the morning dew.
Every one of her poisons was one of her longing, one of her missing, one of her feelings. She created it and watched it come to life in her hands, and then carefully put it away to send out.
Xiao Yao wondered what Xiang Liu would think when he saw the poisons. Would he call her a pervert / abnormal [变态]?
In S1, we learned that when XY's mother led the Xiyan army in the last battle of the war, she and Chi Chen faced each other and, according to all reports, both died on the battlefield. Xiyan won that battle, so Chenrong was conquered by Xiyan.
Also in S1, we learned that Xiang Liu's life was saved by Hong Jiang. Hong Jiang was also a general for Chenrong and he leads the remnants of Chenrong's army, which retreated to the mountains outside of neutral Qingshui town after the last battle. After Hong Jiang and his remnant army were abandoned by the world, Xiang Liu returned to Hong Jiang to repay his life debt. But as he fought with Hong Jiang and the remnant army, Xiang Liu formed close bonds with Hong Jiang and his men. Hong Jiang adopted Xiang Liu as his son and Xiang Liu ended up fighting with them long after he had repaid his debt out of true affection and loyalty.
Hong Jiang and Chi Chen were both generals of Chenrong, but they were not close. And Xiang Liu started fighting with Hong Jiang's remnant army after Chi Chen reportedly died in the last battle. So Xiang Liu never met Chi Chen. But the two of them share many similarities.
When young XY ran away from Jade Mountain in S1, it was partly because she overheard upsetting rumours that the King of Haoling was not her real father and that her real father was actually Chi Chen.
When XY was nearly assassinated in S1, it was because a man who held a grudge against Chi Chen recognized that XY had Chi Chen's eyes and chose to take his revenge against Chi Chen's daughter.
CX and TSJ gave XY wine and I'm sure FFB would have bought XY many drinks and meals. TSJ also gave XY the fish amythest (which would allow her to breathe under water for ten hours) and CX gave XY the ruo mu flower (which would allow XY to command the ruo mu army).
But XL gave her transfusions of his essential blood on every full moon for 37 years. On average, there are 12.37 full moons a year. So approximtely 457 transfusions. Giving XY the ablility to breathe under water for any length of time without requiring assisstance, giving her the ability to swim faster than a dolphin, and even giving her better eyesight. The transfusions made XY a daughter of the ocean, and when XY felt like she had nowhere to go, XL reminded her that the ocean would always have a place for her.
XL accepted the bug transfer despite knowing that if XY died while the bug connection was in place, her death might cause his death. XL sacrificed an extra life to extend XY's life and sacrificed another extra life to break the bug connection between them so that his death would not cause her death.
XL spent over ten years teaching XY archery. He also commissioned a bow from the greatest master forger made from legendary materials for her, without taking credit for it. He gave her the means to protect herself.
XL chose to use an extreme and painful method of waking XY up at the end of her 37 years of healing so that she could get to TSJ in time to save his life. And, at least in the novel, when TSJ was "killed" in chapter 42, XL saved him and revived him in time to stop XY from becoming the Royal Mother. He ensured that XY would have a person to rely on.
XL added a figure (representing TSJ) to the ice crystal ball and carved his well-wishes for XY into the ice crystal ball before hiding it inside a big-bellied laughing doll that he carved himself and sending it to someone else (Sir Bi in the novel, Ah Nian in the drama) to give to XY as a wedding present. In the novel, the doll was the first thing that made XY smile in the days after she found out about XL's death.
He gave her so much!
In the novel, I felt like it was the opposite of that. When XY got too close to XL and TSJ was nearby, he pushed XY away from himself and towards TSJ or used TSJ to keep XY from clinging to him or following him.
Chapter 24 - XY expresses that she wishes she could have been the person who saved XL and if she had she would only ever let him be FFB. XL sees TSJ behind XY and scares XY into TSJ's arms and XY runs away with TSJ.
Chapter 37 - XL walks across the ocean and XY speaks to him from the deck of a ship. XL casts a spell to prevent others from listening in, but creates an exception and allows TSJ to hear. When XL leaves, XY tries to climb over the railing of the ship to dive after him, but TSJ steps forward and holds her back.
Chapter 38 - After XL transforms and meets with TSJ, XY recognizes him. She clings to XL's arm until XL points out that he would have left if she wasn't clinging to him. XY asks if TSJ is still back in the gambling den where XL met with him, and XL tells her that TSJ has been behind her the whole time. TSJ then steps forward and takes XY's hand and XL leaves.
For the novel, which scene are you referring to? Where XL laughed at TSJ and chastised him?
When XL put up spells that prevented others from eavesdropping on him and XY but allowed TSJ to listen in, I didn't view that as XL taunting TSJ. It felt like he was being cautious against the rest of the world, but not TSJ, who was allowed to listen in and reassure himself that XY was okay / come forward at the right time when he was mentioned or when XL wanted TSJ to hold XY back from following XL when he left.
The good news is that the man she thought was her father (the King of Haoling) knew the truth all along and loved her anyway.