Xiang Liu and Xiao Yao’s Story and Romance

 Elise:

omg I can't believe I missed this post. Now I have 3 fics I'm looking forward to reading. Thank you!!! <3

You were the one who shared the comment that inspired this fic in the first place, so thanks to you too! ^^

 nathsketch:

Oh lord, I missed this.

You finished it!! Yay!

I’ll definitely have to read it! So proud of you!! 🫶🏻🥳

Thanks nathsketch! ^^

But for both of you, please don't feel obligated to read this one just because I've shared it here. The premise won't appeal to everyone. If you hate the novel ending or the idea of XY being with TSJ at all, it's probably not your cup of tea and that's okay! 

 Elise:

lol same. I can't think of a single FL who chose the toxic man. I've never seen it happening in a CDrama. 

On the occasions where a female lead falls for a toxic male lead in a C Drama, they usually don't let the leads have a happy ending together (e.g., Maid's Revenge /  The King's Woman). 

But falling for the "bad boy" who ends up not being that bad instead of the more straight-laced "good guy" SML and still getting a happy ending is pretty common (e.g., Arsenal Military Academy, Fall in Love, Love Between Fairy and Devil, Sound of the Desert, The Story of Ming Lan).

Now that I think about it, Qi Heng and Gu Ting Ye from The Story of Ming Lan have a lot of similarities with TSJ and XL and how they fail vs. come through for the female lead respectively. 

 nathsketch:

Exactly. So what was that pathetic post all about? When did they ever let a truly bad boy get the girl?

And Xiang Liu doesn't even fit in this category, so it's doubly wrong. I'm dying on this hill.

Yes, they're not even that bad to begin with. I really need to watch Sound of the Desert tho.

AH, I just uncovered all your spoiler covers lol. Sorry.

 AH :

Lol, exposed! But only half since half of the originals didn't even work ^^

But they really should fix the quoting function so it doesn't remove spoiler covers like this. Seems like it defeats the purpose. 

Yes, they should tweak with it a little bit :)

 liddi:

It wasn't even Miao Pu, but another maid Shan Hu who said it when she saw Xiao Yao struggling on what to create for that last poison.

 AH :

 liddi:

It didn't occur to me until you mentioned it. I honestly wonder sometimes whether scenes are adapted haphazardly - how does what Xiao Yao say tie back to the previous scene when she is clearly waiting for Xiang Liu to respond. I dislike that A Nian's impression of Xiao Yao, and her subsequent comment was totally replaced:

Yes!

 liddi:

Xiao Yao replied, "I came to meet a friend."

And an important component of this line is that XY is referring to TSJ as a friend. She was going to meet him, but XL used AN to intervene. 

Which shows that, in certain circumstances, XY can refer to a person who she had romantic feelings for and a romantic relationship with as a friend. And that has implications for the times when XY refers to XL as a friend or a "friend who is not quite a friend". Since some YaoJing fans like to point to those moments as evidence that XY only ever viewed XL as a friend. 

 liddi:

I don't quite see it as the need to ask his permission. Rather, I think back on the lesson he gave her when she asked for his blood to activate her bow, that she should claim what she wanted in life, yet here she was basically allowing her life to be dictated to her even when she was clearly unhappy about it. So I am thinking that rather than actually expecting him to come and get her, and going through with the marriage because he did not, he wanted her to stand up for herself and reject the marriage on her own accord. In other words, he wanted her to be strong and stand up for what she wanted, instead of always taking the passive stance, waiting for someone to decide it for her.  

 liddi:

If indeed this is what the script was trying to say, then it reaffirms Xiang Liu's approach to loving her which differs from her other suitors - empowering her to protect herself, rather than just having her dependent on someone else's protection.

I agree that's what the dialogue is trying to get at. And I'm on board with that intended meaning.

I just think the phrasing of the question part (whether it's about asking for "permission" or "agreement") takes away from clearly conveying that intent. 

Comparing the wording in this scene:

FFB: I taught you the ability to protect yourself, yet now you want to take things lying down and just get by. Have you asked if I agreed? 

To the wording in the other scene you shared:

XL (smiles): I taught you archery not for you to beg others. If you want something, you need to get it yourself.

The other scene gets the point across much better. 

I feel like something like this would convey the intended sentiment without creating the misleading implication that XL thought that XY should have asked his permission or agreement for her marriage:

FFB: Now you can protect yourself and you have a place to go. Yet you're taking things lying down and just getting by? What happened to the bold Wen Xiao Liu who didn't rely on others to solve his problems?

@luv2bavanggul @AH @liddi @blabla100 @nathsketch 

I can't name you one by one,sorry

ahhh... finally I can work in peace, you know I took time off work because of XL and XY which made me frustrated, but with this thread it can finally enlighten me, thank you guys...

 windiaaa041293:

@luv2bavanggul @AH @liddi @blabla100 @nathsketch 

I can't name you one by one,sorry

ahhh... finally I can work in peace, you know I took time off work because of XL and XY which made me frustrated, but with this thread it can finally enlighten me, thank you guys...

Yay! This thread is our happy place :)

37 years later, when Xiao Tian woke up, why didn’t Xiang Liu see Xiao Yao?

Everyone is criticizing Xiang Liu for being too ruthless. Even when he wakes up in 37 years, he never sees Xiao Tian and always pushes her away. Who knows what he means. Xiao Tian loves her so much, but he pushes her away after 37 years. Is this really the case? Did Xiang Liu push her away because he was afraid that Xiaotian would fall in love with him and Xiaotian would be in pain after he died in battle? 

Okay, let’s analyze it:

1. What was Xiang Liu’s situation like before he left 37 years ago?

Xiaotian regards him as a rake who is jealous of Fangfeng Yiying. He was very angry and decided to leave for a while to let Xiaoyao think about what he wanted. You and I get along so well every day, and you are constantly involved in Tushanjiao. So he told me to leave for a while and wait for my return. This is because he no longer wants to be involved in this. After more than ten years of companionship, Fang Feng Bei? When you asked me who I was every day, I appeared as Fang Feng Liu and cleared your doubts. My affection for you is clear to you. , but you still pretend to be stupid and worry about gains and losses for Tushan. Xiang Liu here sees her psychological problem and understands that it's not that she doesn't love him, she does, but she won't choose him. Therefore, he left for a while to distance herself and let her calm down. Look clearly into your own heart.

2. But Xiang Liu has been away for more than half a year, and he didn't show up until the Merlin incident. Is it abnormal that there has been no abnormality for such a long time? He came to see her once every 5 or 6 days in the past, and he didn't show up during Fang Feng Bei. Not showing up for such a long time. There was no war at that time. Why did you suddenly leave for such a long time?

Where were Xiaotian and tusanHuai doing at that time? Why did Xiang Liu appear? Xiaotian didn't know that Lover's Gu could convey emotions, but Xiang Liu felt it every day. She and Tu Shan stayed in Xiaozhurong Mansion for more than half a year, from summer to winter, and only during the New Year did Tu Shan have to go back, otherwise he would still be reluctant to leave. I don’t think any aristocratic family in the Central Plains knows about this kind of relationship? How could Xiang Liu not know about it? So Xiang Liu didn't want to show up.

3. 37 years later, the purpose of his awakening Xiao Tianshi was to ask her to save Tu Shanrui, because he is the person you want to marry. Here, Xiang Liu thinks that the person Xiao Tian is thinking about is you, Ye Qi, so I asked you to save your Ye Shiqi. If he dies, you will hate me to the core. You see, he hates me to the point of death. At that time, Xiang Liu thought that Xiaotian was already very fond of Tushan, and he would hate me to the point of losing Tushan. At that time, the two of us had been together for more than half a year, xiao Tiantian and Jing. Don’t tell me anything. She was just pretending. Her heart and emotions couldn’t tell the truth from the lies. Tushan was in a state where he could die for her again. Looking at it from anyone's perspective, this was a pair of lovers who loved each other very deeply. Excuse me, how could Xiang Liu not misunderstand?

4. I don’t want to see you, firstly because I was seriously injured and used a lot of blood to wake you up in advance. The second is to give you the right to choose. Don't let you have the mentality of repaying me, and don't let you feel guilty towards me. Because I know that she is soft- hearted, so I don't want to restrain her with repayment. "Wanting a mountain peak is the best of both worlds. It doesn't matter to Xiang Liu whether this condition comes true. Your cousin is capable of doing it, which is great. There is no loss if you don't have me, but you can use this reason to make Xiaotian not feel guilty towards him." He wanted Xiaotian to face up to his feelings and love him from the bottom of his heart, not out of repayment, guilt, or pity. In addition to asking him for the mountain, what else could Xiang Liu ask for? Can his cousin give him food, grass and weapons? Ever since Tu Shanjing fell into a coma In 1937, my cousin and Fenglong's secret possession was almost stolen. He even took the blame, but he had nothing.

If, Xiaotian, you are not with Tushan after you go back to save him, it means that you have faced up to what you love in your heart.

But the fact is that Xiang Liu's judgment was right. Xiaotian did choose Tushan. She knew all about the 37- year relationship, but she still chose to believe that it was a deal. Is this normal thinking? A person sacrifices his life for you and takes care of you carefully for 37 years. His affection for you is vivid in his mind. He pays attention to your emotions, takes you to relax, and thinks of ways to make you happy. If he is just a cold- blooded trader, why should he pay so much attention to your emotions? If he saves you, it will be over. If he throws you into the sea and sleeps alone, it will be over. Why should he sleep with you every day? This kind of friendship has lasted for 37 years. Do you think it’s just for transaction? But she just convinced herself and used this reason. Just because I didn’t see you when I woke up, instead of investigating the reason, you used a reason that someone didn’t want him. Why? Why did she easily convince herself with a transaction reason? There is no other reason, just because her first choice is Tu. The road to the mountain is stable.

So how can you blame Xiang Liu for being ruthless??, how can you blame Xiang Liu for not giving her a chance?

She didn't dare let you fall asleep, so Fangfengbei appeared. All kinds of thoughtfulness and pampering allow you to understand him and enter his world in all aspects, so that you don't have to be afraid to let him sleep. But you don't believe it. Then he showed his true body and was still with you. At this time, I became one. You finally understand, right? You should understand my unspeakable feelings through Fangfeng°. Will you face it? Where is my love?

But Xiaotian still didn't face him. She rejected Xiang Liu once in a dream. After turning 37, she had no room for maneuver and chose Tushan in less than a week. Even before seeing Fangfeng Bei again, she convinced herself to forget him, "How can you not forget someone after such a long life? Isn't it just heartbreaking? Just endure it 7. "
It was through this kind of back- and- forth contact that Xiang Liu understood that Xiaotian did love him, but would not choose him. So he decided to quit this game, and then Xiang Liu said, "You are leaving, stay away." There are causes and consequences.

It was Xiaotian who gave up on him, not Xiangliu who gave up on Xiaotian.

Xiaotian chose a political correctness, thinking that he could forget this love. She didn't expect that she couldn't do it and couldn't control her emotions. Only then did she have this deep love and the last meeting before the robbery. She asked Fang Fengbei, "Is it really impossible for a person to forget someone?" She She was talking about herself. She thought she could do it, but she found that she couldn't.

She tried various temptations, but Xiang Liu no longer responded. The only chance she had to save him that time was to face her feelings directly and clearly explain to him that she wanted to be with him. If so, Xiang Liu will definitely accept her. But she was still testing, asking Xiang Liu to choose her and walk towards her. This is her problem.

So don't talk about why Xiang Liu didn't explain it to her directly. Because Xiaotian understands it very well, and both of them understand it very well. It's you, Xiaotian, who doesn't dare to choose.

If you choose me, you must choose all of me, not the Fangfengbei you imagined.

It doesn't matter if you don't choose me, I understand you and will help you.

Xiang Liu absolutely has nothing to blame about what Xiao Tian did.

As for the reason why Xiang Liu pushed her away in 37 years, it was because he considered her safety, his own identity, and that he would die and Xiaotian would be in pain. He even pushed her away in order to let his cousin win the world and make Xiaotian stable for the rest of his life. Xiaoyao. I personally have doubts about these views. The reason is:

1. Xiaotian's safety is actually proved to be that only Xiang Liu can protect her, and everyone else is useless. Even if her cousin becomes the Black Emperor and becomes extremely powerful, there is no guarantee that Xiaotian will not be assassinated twice by his woman. How could Xiang Liu push his beloved to the protection of his cousin who had not yet gained a foothold and Tu Shan who was unable to protect himself after Mei Lin's assassination? So it is impossible to push away for Xiaotian's safety.

2. Because of his identity as a demon and a killer, he is afraid of being hunted down and harming Xiaoyao. There is no evidence for this. Xiang Liu's martial arts value is off the charts, his spiritual power is unpredictable, and there is no opponent in the wilderness. He has enough ability to protect his woman's safety. With reference to Wushenshan Zhonggu Xiaotian could not feel Gao Xing's pursuers. He stayed in Qingshui Town for more than a month and the whole wilderness was turned upside down to find her. Xiaotian lived well without feeling. Xiang Liu treats her like a child who indulges in adventures, and he is always there to protect you. Facts have proved that, on the contrary, only Xiang Liu can give Xiao Tian eternal safety.

Did Xiaotian cry when Xiang Liu died?
King An.

3. I am afraid that Xiaotian loves him so much that he will die by himself and Xiaotian will suffer. This is impossible, at least in the 1937 period, Xiaotian never really chose Xiang Liu. Instead, she was the post-37 generation trying to forget Xiang Liu. So there is no need for Xiang Liu to presuppose a premise that has not yet happened. On the contrary, Xiang Liu knew that Xiaotian would not choose her. Why would Xiaotian feel pain if she died after falling deeply in love? In addition, let me emphasize that Xiang Liu never thought about going to death from the beginning. There are many reasons mentioned in the previous article.

4. Considering Xiaotian’s status and many enemies, it is up to his cousin to take over to give Xiaotian a stable world, so Xiang Liu helps his cousin to take over and withdraws by himself.

This point of view is even more incomprehensible to me. Xiang Liu has his own responsibilities and positions, and it is impossible for him to betray the rebels. He could let his cousin go and watch his development, but he could never support his cousin and strategize to help him dominate the world and promote the early death of the rebel army.

Moreover, did his cousin give Xiaotian peace after he came to power? Xiaotian had a feud in the Central Plains, but not in Gaoxin. Who made Xiaotian's life experience exposed in front of everyone in the world? So that Xiaoyao had nowhere to go in the end? Can only be imprisoned in the deep palace of his cousin? How would Xiang Liu, who deeply understands Xiaotian's love for freedom, do such stupid things? Break Xiaotian's wings and push them to his lustful cousin or the useless Tushan?

So, it's not that profound. There is only one reason to stay away after 37 years, and that is to respect Xiaotian's choice.