i'm actually glad to see that it came out that they had a normal, loving mom and daughter relationship. i knew it from the start—and have repeatedly said this in this thread— for saeron to constantly say nice things about her parents especially mom, it meant that she was a child who was dearly loved by her family.
people need to shut up about blaming her parents because the kakaotalk exchanges saeron had with her mom showed she had a much better parent-child relationship than what most people have.
User named Garo is annoying. Just block to protect your peace. Truly I’d like to know how much money KSH is…
it's ok, ksh will be forced to retire. maybe he'll show up in 2-3 years, and he'll go completely out of shape and look bloated like seungri. these fans won't even want him anymore
So, you all hating him cuz he “ did “bad things to her and while at the same time saying disgusting things…
"privately" lmao i can imagine how that would go.
ksr parents: we would like to talk to mr ksh privately ksh noticing them from 10 m away: who's that? aigoo just shoo them away gm: ksh is a very busy man he's got no time for you shoo ksr parents: we would like to talk about this privately! gm: ........ ksh: just shoo them away! aish
i don't watch a lot of kdramas and i dropped psycho not ok at ep 4 but even i can tell that's how the script usually goes. and you want to ask, "why can't she do it privately"
why, why are you so concerned about whether this was done privately or not? so that you could still pretend your oppar is this perfect angelic near-40s man who wouldn't harm an underaged girl?
age of consent in many countries including France is 15. even if he dated her at 16, he is not a pedo. stop harassing…
first people like you said, "there's no proof they dated when she was 15." now the truth has come out, people like you say, "it's legal." it's not legal. there is no s.korea law that says it is "okay" to date 15-year-olds, not even in 2016. previous incidents of miscarriages of justice + the lack of enforcement as well + weak enforcement ≠ laws did not exist. the pre-existing laws were just too weak to protect minors prior to 2020. if this guy faces enough backlash and public pressure, he could very well be indicted. it's so sad that s.korea and many parts of the world rely on the media to widen the roads to justice but all the media has done up to now have only made it more difficult for victims like saeron. if the media took her seriously back then, she would still be alive today. people like you in society are exactly why predators continue to prey on kids. gtfo of my sight.
some people are mad at me because i said the parents shouldn't be blamed. lol... yes, again, i stand my ground:…
predators are present everywhere, it's not just the entertainment industry. they're also in hospitals, in universities, in law schools, in law enforcement, in the army, in prestigious corporations and holding significant positions of power. how are you going to say you're going to ban your child from entering any of these fields?
you're honestly going to say, "i vote for the ban of kids entering these industries" ? people need to stop blaming the victim and their families. because who is the one suffering here? the true people who are suffering are the victims and their families. society is being extremely unhelpful by constantly nitpicking on what the family should have done, or constantly bringing up what the family had done wrong. this is completely unhelpful in helping them pursue justice! your constant berating the parents will not help the law to change in dealing a heavier sentence to groomers.
society must first change its mindset. please don't make the path to justice worse for victims. don't make the path narrower than it already is!
edit: sorry, i keep having things to say. another reason i strongly oppose to people saying, "the parents should have done this," or "the parents shouldn't have done that" reminds me of all the people who went, "the girl shouldn't have worn such short skirt" or "the girl shouldn't have gone to such a place that day," or "where are the girls' parents? why don't they teach her better? why didn't the parents pick her up from work?" these are all the same things when you're blaming kim sae ron's parents.
some people are mad at me because i said the parents shouldn't be blamed. lol... yes, again, i stand my ground: parents shouldn't be blamed.
your points: "the parents should have known, the parents should have stepped in"
1. teens are already autonomous humans at that age. they have their own digital lives, they have their own social circles, they have their needs for privacy. even the most attentive and best parent cannot, realistically, monitor all of their child's interactions 100%, and they should not have to do so. predators exploit this developmental stage.
2. groomers are experts at secrecy. predators deliberately isolate victims, teach them to lie, teach them to hide, and exploit parental trust. blaming parents ignores the predator's skill and role in actively creating that secrecy.
3. cases like R. Kelly's victims or the UK grooming gangs prove that teens can hide relationships for years despite parental involvement. this isn't negligence by the parents—it's how grooming works!!
4. why are we, as a society, constantly demanding from families instead of true accountability from perpetrators? predators rely on society's obsession with scrutinizing their victims' parents and family. by having society place the blame on the victim, their parents, and their family, the predators shed responsibility and shift the blame to others. why do you want to enable that kind of shit!?
5. you can say teens do not deserve privacy, that's the alternative. you can choose helicopter parenting that invades a teen's every privacy in every corner of their lives, which is equally harmful to their development. kids deserve trust and autonomy; predators exploit that basic right.
I want to see a perfect storm—a blizzard befalling the hallyu prince, his company, and his associates. I want…
yes, because as evidenced in this comment section, people are more concerned with things like blaming sae ron, blaming the parents, and "technical legalities".
it's such a simple thing for society to do— and that is, proclaiming that this is completely UNACCEPTABLE in a loud voice, over and over again, but they can't even do this.
so many ppl want to act like they can be impartial people, they act like they think if they say things like, "the parents are also to blame, who asked them to send their kids to the entertainment industry? the law can't technically pursue him", it makes them sound clever. these are not even things they can do to help the dead girl or future victims. the only thing we can do is stand firm and say "NO, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND NEVER OKAY AND THE PREDATOR IS TO BE BLAMED 100%" only this will move the law. only this will help put predators behind bars and prevent future crimes. also blame the entertainment industry too while we're at it. but no, these people didn't even mention that once in this thread or on twitter.
It's hilarious seeing some naive people in this comments section think that his career is over cuz of this scandal.…
reputation in the entertainment industry is already hard to build in the first place. a scandal of this magnitude is more damaging than say, scandals where celebs caught in possession of marijuana. the public's perception is everything. he is a predator. the more people think this is unacceptable, the more damage he takes. why do you think he's expending so much money and effort to spam positive comments about him online? think!
all your child actors and actresses have parents who brought them into the entertainment industry. maybe we should have a law ban on that? there are children who dream about the stage and have artistic talents they want to cultivate. how about we recruit 30-year-olds to act as 6-year-olds in a sailor suit? no more children on TV. yay.
pedophile defenders like you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I'm sorry but they deserve some scrutiny too. They put their daughter into the spotlight, she was still a kid…
both her parents work. just because you haven't seen her family's real situation, claiming that you haven't "seen" anything in the articles of the sort, it doesn't mean you should automatically assume her parents have not once tried to help her. the absence of public details doesn’t necessarily mean they did nothing. look at the current situation. GM has been trying frantically to buy them off and they repeatedly refused. they want an apology.
do you honestly think that is the behaviour of someone who cares more about money more than their own daughter?
you said it's normal for child stars with parents who brought their children into the entertainment industry. and yet you contradict yourself in the same breadth that parents are still to blame, ignoring that sae ron was interested in acting. many children have dreams which their parents support.
"everyone should take responsibility" ??????? as i've said, her parents have lost their child. is this kind of loss not punishment enough? what kind of responsibility do you want them to take? you want to put them in jail too? lmao
so what about the entertainment industry as a whole? no one blamed the entertainment industry, or the management teams for allowing this to happen despite knowing full-well that they have been dating. i'll be frank here: even society as a whole share the blame. but no, people like you want to shift everything onto the victim's parents and even the victim herself.
the entertainment industry is notoriously exploitative, and even the best and most well-meaning parents can struggle to navigate its challenges. it's fair to question their decisions, but we also need to consider the systemic issues overall, and it is extremely unhelpful (again, i've said it many times now) and outright ridiculous to blame them when the actual predator has not been officially held accountable.
your kind of victim-family-blaming mentality is absolutely unhelpful for sae ron's cause right now. because what the law needs is a stricter legislation on child grooming. when the voices increase in attacking her parents instead of the real perpetrator, the law would actually move to punish parents instead. this would mean every single parent would now be liable instead of potential predators for preying on other people's children.
please think rationally on what would help the dead victim and prevent future occurrences of this incident. the perpetrator should always be held accountable. talking crap about the victim's parents shifts the focus from the perpetrator, lessening his complicity in his victim's death.
this is the last time i will be responding about this matter. i've said all i want to say, i can't change people's minds and i don't plan to. i've given up on society in general, seeing how many have reacted to this case, shifting the blame and trying to act "fair and impartial" but nothing you have said actually helps the victim's cause to pursue justice. this is why predators constantly get off without being punished. take some responsibility for this.
for saeron to constantly say nice things about her parents especially mom, it meant that she was a child who was dearly loved by her family.
people need to shut up about blaming her parents because the kakaotalk exchanges saeron had with her mom showed she had a much better parent-child relationship than what most people have.
your reading comprehension is really bad. F minus.
i can imagine how that would go.
ksr parents: we would like to talk to mr ksh privately
ksh noticing them from 10 m away: who's that? aigoo just shoo them away
gm: ksh is a very busy man he's got no time for you shoo
ksr parents: we would like to talk about this privately!
gm: ........
ksh: just shoo them away! aish
i don't watch a lot of kdramas and i dropped psycho not ok at ep 4 but even i can tell that's how the script usually goes.
and you want to ask, "why can't she do it privately"
why, why are you so concerned about whether this was done privately or not?
so that you could still pretend your oppar is this perfect angelic near-40s man who wouldn't harm an underaged girl?
it's not legal. there is no s.korea law that says it is "okay" to date 15-year-olds, not even in 2016.
previous incidents of miscarriages of justice + the lack of enforcement as well + weak enforcement ≠ laws did not exist.
the pre-existing laws were just too weak to protect minors prior to 2020.
if this guy faces enough backlash and public pressure, he could very well be indicted.
it's so sad that s.korea and many parts of the world rely on the media to widen the roads to justice but all the media has done up to now have only made it more difficult for victims like saeron. if the media took her seriously back then, she would still be alive today.
people like you in society are exactly why predators continue to prey on kids.
gtfo of my sight.
you're honestly going to say, "i vote for the ban of kids entering these industries" ?
people need to stop blaming the victim and their families. because who is the one suffering here? the true people who are suffering are the victims and their families.
society is being extremely unhelpful by constantly nitpicking on what the family should have done, or constantly bringing up what the family had done wrong.
this is completely unhelpful in helping them pursue justice! your constant berating the parents will not help the law to change in dealing a heavier sentence to groomers.
society must first change its mindset. please don't make the path to justice worse for victims. don't make the path narrower than it already is!
edit: sorry, i keep having things to say. another reason i strongly oppose to people saying, "the parents should have done this," or "the parents shouldn't have done that" reminds me of all the people who went, "the girl shouldn't have worn such short skirt" or "the girl shouldn't have gone to such a place that day," or "where are the girls' parents? why don't they teach her better? why didn't the parents pick her up from work?" these are all the same things when you're blaming kim sae ron's parents.
yes, again, i stand my ground: parents shouldn't be blamed.
your points: "the parents should have known, the parents should have stepped in"
1. teens are already autonomous humans at that age. they have their own digital lives, they have their own social circles, they have their needs for privacy. even the most attentive and best parent cannot, realistically, monitor all of their child's interactions 100%, and they should not have to do so. predators exploit this developmental stage.
2. groomers are experts at secrecy.
predators deliberately isolate victims, teach them to lie, teach them to hide, and exploit parental trust. blaming parents ignores the predator's skill and role in actively creating that secrecy.
3. cases like R. Kelly's victims or the UK grooming gangs prove that teens can hide relationships for years despite parental involvement. this isn't negligence by the parents—it's how grooming works!!
4. why are we, as a society, constantly demanding from families instead of true accountability from perpetrators? predators rely on society's obsession with scrutinizing their victims' parents and family. by having society place the blame on the victim, their parents, and their family, the predators shed responsibility and shift the blame to others. why do you want to enable that kind of shit!?
5. you can say teens do not deserve privacy, that's the alternative. you can choose helicopter parenting that invades a teen's every privacy in every corner of their lives, which is equally harmful to their development. kids deserve trust and autonomy; predators exploit that basic right.
it's such a simple thing for society to do— and that is, proclaiming that this is completely UNACCEPTABLE in a loud voice, over and over again, but they can't even do this.
so many ppl want to act like they can be impartial people, they act like they think if they say things like, "the parents are also to blame, who asked them to send their kids to the entertainment industry? the law can't technically pursue him", it makes them sound clever. these are not even things they can do to help the dead girl or future victims. the only thing we can do is stand firm and say "NO, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND NEVER OKAY AND THE PREDATOR IS TO BE BLAMED 100%"
only this will move the law. only this will help put predators behind bars and prevent future crimes.
also blame the entertainment industry too while we're at it. but no, these people didn't even mention that once in this thread or on twitter.
the public's perception is everything. he is a predator. the more people think this is unacceptable, the more damage he takes. why do you think he's expending so much money and effort to spam positive comments about him online?
think!
there are children who dream about the stage and have artistic talents they want to cultivate.
how about we recruit 30-year-olds to act as 6-year-olds in a sailor suit?
no more children on TV. yay.
pedophile defenders like you should be ashamed of yourselves.
your utter worthless victim-blaming bullshit isn't even worth responding to.
go read my other responses.
just because you haven't seen her family's real situation, claiming that you haven't "seen" anything in the articles of the sort, it doesn't mean you should automatically assume her parents have not once tried to help her. the absence of public details doesn’t necessarily mean they did nothing. look at the current situation. GM has been trying frantically to buy them off and they repeatedly refused. they want an apology.
do you honestly think that is the behaviour of someone who cares more about money more than their own daughter?
you said it's normal for child stars with parents who brought their children into the entertainment industry. and yet you contradict yourself in the same breadth that parents are still to blame, ignoring that sae ron was interested in acting. many children have dreams which their parents support.
"everyone should take responsibility"
??????? as i've said, her parents have lost their child. is this kind of loss not punishment enough? what kind of responsibility do you want them to take? you want to put them in jail too? lmao
so what about the entertainment industry as a whole? no one blamed the entertainment industry, or the management teams for allowing this to happen despite knowing full-well that they have been dating. i'll be frank here: even society as a whole share the blame. but no, people like you want to shift everything onto the victim's parents and even the victim herself.
the entertainment industry is notoriously exploitative, and even the best and most well-meaning parents can struggle to navigate its challenges. it's fair to question their decisions, but we also need to consider the systemic issues overall, and it is extremely unhelpful (again, i've said it many times now) and outright ridiculous to blame them when the actual predator has not been officially held accountable.
your kind of victim-family-blaming mentality is absolutely unhelpful for sae ron's cause right now. because what the law needs is a stricter legislation on child grooming. when the voices increase in attacking her parents instead of the real perpetrator, the law would actually move to punish parents instead. this would mean every single parent would now be liable instead of potential predators for preying on other people's children.
please think rationally on what would help the dead victim and prevent future occurrences of this incident. the perpetrator should always be held accountable. talking crap about the victim's parents shifts the focus from the perpetrator, lessening his complicity in his victim's death.
this is the last time i will be responding about this matter. i've said all i want to say, i can't change people's minds and i don't plan to. i've given up on society in general, seeing how many have reacted to this case, shifting the blame and trying to act "fair and impartial" but nothing you have said actually helps the victim's cause to pursue justice. this is why predators constantly get off without being punished. take some responsibility for this.