I actually want to he did one sin that he dated a minor but by Korean law it's not crime they had a breakup 4…
why is it that people like you don't understand that it was the loan that pushed her to her death in addition to the harassment she was getting from the media and by LJH?
1. she begged him to extend the time of the loan. he ghosted her, refused to reply to that. she begged for him to let her live. he sent her ANOTHER letter demanding her payment again. 2. he released her private phone number to the media.
can you imagine someone you used to love doing that to you? can you imagine doing that to someone whom you used to date?! what kind of monster does this?
but nooo fans like you go "i don't understand he didnt' do anything wrong" please get your events chronologically right. use some critical thinking. it doesn't hurt.
one particular user in this thread is really getting under my skin, acting like their "neutrality" is some sort…
i saw some of your replies to them and honestly you've been a lot more patient than i would have been. so they're just masking their bias with fake neutrality. figures. that's what most of them are like. i have not seen a single person who says they're neutral and is actually constantly fighting on saeron's side.
When discussing about the potential victim of grooming allegation, by not picking a side you're picking a side.The…
one particular user in this thread is really getting under my skin, acting like their "neutrality" is some sort of moral high ground. pretending to be above everyone because they're "neutral" gives them a cheap sense of superiority.
people like that donāt actually care about truth or justice. they care about looking smart (but in the case where the facts are glaringly clear, the timeline fits, and the evidence presented make sense, they just look stupid). they avoid any stance that might cost them social points in future when the case reaches a conclusion.
this is a possible scenario:
them: ugh, i picked the wrong side, now i just look like an idiot.
they don't know they already look like one. they make this about their feelings when this is a question about what is right and what is wrong. they can't make a choice because their ego is at stake.
//- Some interesting facts about people who spend months (or even dedicate their entire lives to this purpose) on different sites and social networks and in real life, with the same goal, regardless of the target -
Well, the ha+Ter is and is not an online creature. In the first sense, he can only exist in a sauce in which what he does is somewhat socially acceptable.
The ha+Ter, a person tormented by anxiety and dis$atisfaction, who finds a personification of anxieties and dis&atisfaction like the poet's muse, has always existed. We just haven't seen him, because he hasn't had a place to express this existential condition.//
LOL who writes something like this? i laughed so loud.
That's a great analogy! You're absolutely right. People always say "murder" when a homicide occurs, even if "murder"…
i loled! you're right. they do always go ,"ackchyually" š and they miss the whole point altogether. you can tell most of them simply want to flex the "knowledge" they absorbed from chatgpt
He's done for, even outside Korea. All he has are some loud, rude fans who are easily manipulated by his lies.…
i lol at his fans in this thread. one comes in several times a day just to write parasocial love poems with lots of heart emojis, then there's that grandma who is going through page 9999 just to find comments to report, and that guy who's till white-knighting ksh (you know who it is) and treating his fanfic of ksh like gospel. dude is foaming at the mouth, swinging at anyone who dares poke his little bubble of fantastic fantasies.
Do you think if we said things in a different language they would still flag us? Lol š
yeah it's heartbreaking. i think it's difficult because the history of discrimination is so ingrained for such a long time. the system may be abolished 70 years ago, but if the parents and grandparents (the older generation) continue to instill hatred into their young ones at home, the hatred will persist.
you hope "something like what i said happens to me" ? wow, so, because i talked about facts, you want me to be exploited by a groomer? you want me to kill myself? you're saying all that for a monster who doesn't know that you exist?
see how ksh fans react when i only summarised the facts? please be better humans.
let's say a victim has parents who are rural farmers and not particularly educated on the legal or clinical distinctions between terms like pedophilia, hebephilia, or ephebophilia. and they badly want to seek justice for their child, and the entire village is outraged by the crime. naturally, they use the term pedophilia as a blanket term because thatās what they understand and thatās how most of the public would react.
you can't be serious telling me that it's more important to scold these people for calling it pedophilic behaviour when it aligns with how the majority of the public understands and reacts to it. the focus should be on seeking justice and protecting the victim, not nitpicking on academic terms. when a community is outraged, itās because theyāre driven by a natural instinct to protect the vulnerable. their outrage is about the crime, not the technicalities of labeling it.
nitpicking on the terms like pedo or hebe or epobo is like debating whether a killing is manslaughter or murder while ignoring the fact that someone was hurt or killed. debating whether a crime is manslaughter or murder after a death has occurred doesnāt change the fact that someone has died. i never see people rushing to correct others when they scream "it's a murder!" even when itās technically manslaughter. because the outcome is still tragic, and the victim is still dead.
but somehow i'm amazed that everyone wants to stand up and be technical when it comes to victims of grooming or exploitation by focusing on whether to call it pedophilia or hebephilia or epobophilia.
the child has been harmed, and the focus should be on that. why is the terminology given more weight than the crime itself? also. most legal systems, the law doesn't typically distinguish between terms like pedophilia, hebephilia, or ephebophilia when it comes to criminal charges related to sexual abuse or exploitation of minors. they focus on the age of consent and the nature of the crime.
for the public, no one would go out of their way to label a criminal a "manslaughterer", because a murderer is still a murderer.
it's the same for a predator of child exploitation. so in my opinion, pedophile as a blanket term still fits.
Got flagged for calling someone old yet the person I said this to did not even though she s-shamed and called…
the person is relentlessly going through pages of comments and reporting them. it's likely a severe disorder. i could prob do it if i spam adderrall or something, but honestly i'd rather use that time to play my games.
That's just his opinion. The family never asked for money. If they wanted money, they would have asked for money…
GM was already a company when REAL was shot. and the way you are convinced everything GM said was the truth while everyone else who had pointed out what went wrong in the production already spoke volumes about your bias, isn't it?
so please spare me your theatrics and fake objectivity. the way you called the whistleblower as a "gossiper," "windbag" and "drunken raving" is laughable. i think that would be a more accurate way to describe how ksh fans are acting. š
That's just his opinion. The family never asked for money. If they wanted money, they would have asked for money…
there are recorded and certified testimonies now? i haven't heard of that? why are ksh fans saying things that they can't prove? of course the whistleblower can't reveal themselves, are you seriously asking why?
a very good day to everyone except ksh and his fans.
we shall now commence with our daily reminder about this man who groomed a minor when she was 15, trapped her with a predatory loan, deliberately ghosted her when she tried to negotiate the deadline for the repayment, and when she begged for him to live, his fans overlook this heartwrenching plea and cold-heartedly called her names, attacked her family, despite the fact that she was his victim. if it was money that he wanted, he could have easily accepted won bin's offer to repay her loan. but no, he rejected it. can't imagine such level of depravity and evil, honestly.
afterwards, he released her private phone number to the media, as well as paying LJH to harass and slander her until she finally took her life. what's even more horrific, he partied and posted pictures of his bday gifts the day she died, and news of her death were released earlier in the day. was it appropriate to even do that, even if they didn't date? surely they knew each other in the industry (supposing they didn't date)? but i strongly believe they did date and he preyed on her and dated her for 6 years, which makes this action even more repulsive. shouldn't he be reviled for his vicious actions?
and instead of defending himself or prove his innocence at his press conference, he spent all 40 minutes repeatedly reminding everyone that he's a star, repeatedly referring to saeron as "the deceased" as if he never knew her, faked crying as if the presscon was one of his drama takes, and then announced a 12bil won lawsuit against her family. this defamation suit was not filed in order to clear his name ā for as we all know by now, in south korea, a defamation suit can be filed even if the claims are true. it's a suit that is aimed at protecting the reputation of the person being "defamed". he could claim compensation if the court finds that his reputation was significantly harmed and the scandal caused him great distressedāwhich is ksh's only course of legal reprisal. and of course, if public outrage is massive enough, then his suit would fail. so what say you, are you angry enough?
i'm not sure why ksh thinks it would do him any favours by trying to silence everyone globally with such an abusive and draconian defamation law that so blatantly infringes upon the freedom of speech, but it was certainly good for memes and a couple of chuckles.
no one with a rational mind and a conscience would want to see him on screen again. well, except his fans, i guess. but the petition created in his name is still sitting at 1% while the petition launched after this scandal came to light reached over 56k in just over a week. so one raises the question: just how many of these fans can go against the public population at large, hmmm? are we angry enough, everybody!?
i feel like i gotta make more noise on tiktok but i don't have an account š and i don't have enough time to keep up with all the people who can make 20 videos a day lmfao how do ppl do this
Do you think if we said things in a different language they would still flag us? Lol š
i got flagged twice today because i lashed out at someone who used discriminatory language toward a person of a lower caste on twitter. i could feel the sting of such vile behaviour despite not being indian. this comment was OLD so can you imagine how far back this old auntie is going through comments just to flag everyone. lmfao
That's just his opinion. The family never asked for money. If they wanted money, they would have asked for money…
but this is just what they claimed, right? they could just pretend there's no "body double" now, who's going to challenge them when they haven't produced anything black and white?
1. she begged him to extend the time of the loan. he ghosted her, refused to reply to that. she begged for him to let her live. he sent her ANOTHER letter demanding her payment again.
2. he released her private phone number to the media.
can you imagine someone you used to love doing that to you? can you imagine doing that to someone whom you used to date?! what kind of monster does this?
but nooo fans like you go "i don't understand he didnt' do anything wrong" please get your events chronologically right. use some critical thinking. it doesn't hurt.
but yesterday was a sunday. i don't work on sundays even when i wasn't ill.
seriously what's wrong with you, what went wrong in your life?
so they're just masking their bias with fake neutrality. figures. that's what most of them are like.
i have not seen a single person who says they're neutral and is actually constantly fighting on saeron's side.
people like that donāt actually care about truth or justice. they care about looking smart (but in the case where the facts are glaringly clear, the timeline fits, and the evidence presented make sense, they just look stupid). they avoid any stance that might cost them social points in future when the case reaches a conclusion.
this is a possible scenario:
them: ugh, i picked the wrong side, now i just look like an idiot.
they don't know they already look like one. they make this about their feelings when this is a question about what is right and what is wrong. they can't make a choice because their ego is at stake.
lives to this purpose) on different sites and social networks and in real life,
with the same goal, regardless of the target -
Well, the ha+Ter is and is not an online creature. In the first sense, he can only exist in a sauce in which what he does is somewhat socially acceptable.
The ha+Ter, a person tormented by anxiety and dis$atisfaction, who finds a personification of anxieties and dis&atisfaction like the poet's muse, has always existed. We just haven't seen him, because he hasn't had a place to express this existential condition.//
LOL who writes something like this? i laughed so loud.
and they miss the whole point altogether. you can tell most of them simply want to flex the "knowledge" they absorbed from chatgpt
the system may be abolished 70 years ago, but if the parents and grandparents (the older generation) continue to instill hatred into their young ones at home, the hatred will persist.
I voted š¤
see how ksh fans react when i only summarised the facts? please be better humans.
you can't be serious telling me that it's more important to scold these people for calling it pedophilic behaviour when it aligns with how the majority of the public understands and reacts to it. the focus should be on seeking justice and protecting the victim, not nitpicking on academic terms. when a community is outraged, itās because theyāre driven by a natural instinct to protect the vulnerable. their outrage is about the crime, not the technicalities of labeling it.
nitpicking on the terms like pedo or hebe or epobo is like debating whether a killing is manslaughter or murder while ignoring the fact that someone was hurt or killed.
debating whether a crime is manslaughter or murder after a death has occurred doesnāt change the fact that someone has died. i never see people rushing to correct others when they scream "it's a murder!" even when itās technically manslaughter. because the outcome is still tragic, and the victim is still dead.
but somehow i'm amazed that everyone wants to stand up and be technical when it comes to victims of grooming or exploitation by focusing on whether to call it pedophilia or hebephilia or epobophilia.
the child has been harmed, and the focus should be on that. why is the terminology given more weight than the crime itself? also. most legal systems, the law doesn't typically distinguish between terms like pedophilia, hebephilia, or ephebophilia when it comes to criminal charges related to sexual abuse or exploitation of minors. they focus on the age of consent and the nature of the crime.
for the public, no one would go out of their way to label a criminal a "manslaughterer", because a murderer is still a murderer.
it's the same for a predator of child exploitation. so in my opinion, pedophile as a blanket term still fits.
it's likely a severe disorder. i could prob do it if i spam adderrall or something, but honestly i'd rather use that time to play my games.
so please spare me your theatrics and fake objectivity.
the way you called the whistleblower as a "gossiper," "windbag" and "drunken raving" is laughable. i think that would be a more accurate way to describe how ksh fans are acting. š
of course the whistleblower can't reveal themselves, are you seriously asking why?
we shall now commence with our daily reminder about this man who groomed a minor when she was 15, trapped her with a predatory loan, deliberately ghosted her when she tried to negotiate the deadline for the repayment, and when she begged for him to live, his fans overlook this heartwrenching plea and cold-heartedly called her names, attacked her family, despite the fact that she was his victim. if it was money that he wanted, he could have easily accepted won bin's offer to repay her loan. but no, he rejected it. can't imagine such level of depravity and evil, honestly.
afterwards, he released her private phone number to the media, as well as paying LJH to harass and slander her until she finally took her life. what's even more horrific, he partied and posted pictures of his bday gifts the day she died, and news of her death were released earlier in the day. was it appropriate to even do that, even if they didn't date? surely they knew each other in the industry (supposing they didn't date)? but i strongly believe they did date and he preyed on her and dated her for 6 years, which makes this action even more repulsive. shouldn't he be reviled for his vicious actions?
and instead of defending himself or prove his innocence at his press conference, he spent all 40 minutes repeatedly reminding everyone that he's a star, repeatedly referring to saeron as "the deceased" as if he never knew her, faked crying as if the presscon was one of his drama takes, and then announced a 12bil won lawsuit against her family. this defamation suit was not filed in order to clear his name ā for as we all know by now, in south korea, a defamation suit can be filed even if the claims are true. it's a suit that is aimed at protecting the reputation of the person being "defamed". he could claim compensation if the court finds that his reputation was significantly harmed and the scandal caused him great distressedāwhich is ksh's only course of legal reprisal. and of course, if public outrage is massive enough, then his suit would fail. so what say you, are you angry enough?
i'm not sure why ksh thinks it would do him any favours by trying to silence everyone globally with such an abusive and draconian defamation law that so blatantly infringes upon the freedom of speech, but it was certainly good for memes and a couple of chuckles.
no one with a rational mind and a conscience would want to see him on screen again. well, except his fans, i guess. but the petition created in his name is still sitting at 1% while the petition launched after this scandal came to light reached over 56k in just over a week. so one raises the question: just how many of these fans can go against the public population at large, hmmm? are we angry enough, everybody!?
i feel like i gotta make more noise on tiktok but i don't have an account š and i don't have enough time to keep up with all the people who can make 20 videos a day lmfao how do ppl do this