What's weird for me is I don't like ANY of the drama's main characters. Didn't like them in the first two seasons…
I've also noticed certain exaggerations - in particular SWM's - but I've attributed it to the fact the actor ought to play SWM ACTING (and showing off) before "higher authorities" (the princess, the emperor and so on), manipulating, lying, pretending. In previous seasons there was no such a need to over-act, but now they are in the capital, in a competitive and showing off environment, surrounded by people who are also pretentious, so their behaviour, the way they talk with other persons necessarily change and give pretentious vibes. When they are in private, they are more relaxed and talk differently, with the exception of Chicken Fed, whose (over)acting is always the same (for comic purposes). Btw, your mother and my mother are twins separated at birth 😂 She is also "always right", lol
that's true, but so was Hemingway before winning a Pulitzer and a Nobel... 😂 That rich merchant is not a husband material, his relationship with his servant is too confusing and complicated, one can't tell who is the master between the two, so better to drop them both, right?
guys i finished watching s1 do i have to watch s2 or can i watch s3
it is better to watch S2 first, but at the same time you can watch S3 too. S2 was more about their moving along the ancient Silk Road and getting closer, less about political strife.
A snake catcher + snake breeder (rare species), scholar, secretary in the ministry of revenue, expert wall-climber, excellent actor, hired as a spy and as an assassin, writer, author of The Strange Tales of Tang Capital... "previous experiences" in Meng Buyi's c.v. are richer than in Hemingway's, lol. If I were his wife, I'd stick with him, the other two are less interesting imo.
well, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, just finished episode 13 but somehow I'm not interested in 3rd…
But they arrived at the end, saving both LLF and SWM 😁 You're right about the 3rd case not being a murder mystery, but the task assigned by the emperor was in the range of justice officer competence and responsibilites. If you don't like it because of the beast, well, neither I nor FunnyBunny are fans of these strange beasts, but there's a good reason why they are present in SToTD - they are hallmarks of the specific Chinese folktales genre combining mystery, investigation and supernatural and have their "fandom" - so we bear with them. The 3rd case wasn't interesting per se, but it was extremely important and functional in depicting the roots and the deadly depth of the political conflict between the emperor and his aunt and how much LLF is torn apart between his mother's aspirations and loyalty towards an emperor who's able to kill even innocent and talented people if they don't openly side with him. You can't deny this info was very precious to us, the audience.
This all-righteous arrogant behaviour is part of his nature and noble status, he cannot change it, this trait…
If you shift your focus on what's important in the (political) plot, maybe this grating sensation will disappear. It is this conflict that makes LLF very conflicted: deep down he knows his mother is a better ruling material than this easily influenced emperor, who btw easily kills as we've learned in the 3rd case (and who will also be the beginning of the end of the Great Tang at the end of his reign) . But he can't side with her: because he is a loyalist, by his upbringing and by the fact he served as an imperial guard officer, fighting together with Li Longji (the current emperor) for the restauration of the retired emperor, when the latter was excluded from power by the usurping Wu clan. He can't side with Li Longji either, he can only work for the peace between these two, like a neglected lacerated child of divorcing parents, while being suspected as "working for the other side" by both factions and especially by the emperor's faction which has executive powers. Being such a die hard loyalist is indeed his flow, but beside "it is his nature", he also has no other options but to work for the "peace" doing acrobatics between his mother and his cousin, it is his destiny, his cruciatus curse and SWM is the person who understands LLF's inner torment the best. SWM doesn't mind their inverted roles in terms of investigation authority and will always cover for LLF's mistakes and showing offs. Not only because he cares about him and sees him as a family, but also because he also doesn't have a better option. When princess Taiping offered him to work for her, SWM refused. SWM is a person directly burdened by Di Renjie's legacy of an impartial justice and better prospects for upright persons in a very unjust and corrupted world. I wonder if the author, who is a top expert of Tang's history, construed all the "strange stories" involving LLF and SWM (characters he created ad hoc) we see for 3 seasons, around his personal deductions on the politics, society and costums of the time: creating LLF and SWM actually doesn't only explain the geist of Da Tang but offers believable answers on the questions like "why the incompetent retired emperor...?", "why the incompetent Li Longji ruled so long?". The only logical answer: the system continued to function because there were nameless persons still working for the prosperity, justice and peace. The author gave them names and the story and the drama shape. 😌
I really like the 3rd case and how it’s written. It’s not easy to tie in cases SToTD style with the political…
I totally agree with you: it's the same but better. I don't know if you remember when I've complained in the last season about too many weird beasts exceeding their folklore and genre purpose and how I've missed the political conflict (the history and princess Taiping)... in this season they've toned down the beasts and brought back exactly what I've wanted, blending the history into their cases and other earthly problems to solve. Bringing Shangguan Wan'er story, the epitaph verses written by the historical princess Taiping in the 3rd case was a masterchef's touch and a great educational/cultural service of the author.
I looked up wikipedia. Was she genius? She became Wu Zetian's secretary at 13! 😮
Thank you for this comment. It made me research about her, wow, what a life! Beside, I've discovered that the poetry recited by SWM (to escape death with LLF) and later repeated by princess in tears, was indeed written by princess Taiping and found on the epitaph of her tomb (errected by Taiping as well). The writer truly skillfully insert these real historical details in this drama (in all seasons) and it's always a pleasure to discover them. Btw, "chancelor Cui" /Taiping's advisor may have been one of Shangguan Wan'er's lovers in his youth...
I am at the start of case 3. I felt like LLF had slid back a bit into his "I am honest and right and better…
This all-righteous arrogant behaviour is part of his nature and noble status, he cannot change it, this trait is in his upbringing and authority as a scion of Lu clan of Fanyang, high military nobles for many centuries before Tang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lu_clan_of_Fanyang Although the story is fictional, it is inspired on real historical data and events as well as on zhiguai xiaoshuo, collection of investigation-mystery-supernatural folktales set in Tang dynasty, collected and put in writing from the Ming onwards. In these stories, a display of justice authority is common and actually expected. Combined with the self-perception as "defenders" and "pillars of the state" noble clans and families usually have (not only in China), it is only logical he behaves like that. SWM can't afford himself to be rude to his superior. LLF can. It is his superior who must mind LLF' high status and can offend him only when has the emperor's backing. Because - beside being a Lu - LLF is also the emperor's cousin
Ah…. He doesn’t drink. Was drunk so easily for her to murder him. I think all those flashbacks he had were…
yup, and she is particularly good in ambiguous roles. I remember how people hated her as Miao Renfeng's wife in SS of Fox Volant (always with QJJ as ML) when she switched to the traitor played by Peter Ho. And I've just noticed I didn't rate that great drama based on my beloved Jin Yong's story... Incredible, I'll give it 9,5 immediately
Ah…. He doesn’t drink. Was drunk so easily for her to murder him. I think all those flashbacks he had were…
That drunken monologue was brilliantly played. Imo, BXL touched all the "right spots" (we can call these spots "blemishes", too) to make him remember that specific moment after he killed his first wife, went to a dinner with BXL telling her how he got drunk for the first time: it was after his father, who was working his ass off far away, told him on the phone he was celebrating with his collegues the award his son received. His disconnected phrases in intoxicated state are indeed smth a true artist would say... after commenting the paintings "coming to a life" ... he creates couplets "Harmony blending light with dust/ Dust blinding my vision /Vision blurred by arrogance" That's why BXL falls for him. He is an artist, maybe even a genial one in need to affirm himself and his vision of the world. But his poverty and rough ambition of his parents makes him a villain and a person with flows. That's why she provokes him (ofc. she knows how to do it, belittleing him, actually every wife knows how to offend her husband), choosing revenge over love.
Ok - at least I know I won’t be wasting my time with the rest of the eps. Still contemplating whether to continue…
I've seen that, but eps between 13-23 drained my forces to continue it in this moment. It is also predictable why it "picked up", the plot finally turned the leads into a couple fighting against the general moral perception but the solution to it will be dragged till the end, so it will have another downhill turn...
Qin Jun Jie is a good actor, I don't understand how he can do such nonsense, cheap drama, really a waste of time🤡🤢
There's nothing "cheap" in this drama. Artistically speaking, it's "close to perfection" being "near to perfection" Leitmotiv of one of the protagonists.
And what is concretely "nonsense" you're talking about?
Ok - at least I know I won’t be wasting my time with the rest of the eps. Still contemplating whether to continue…
me too. I'm stucked at ep 23 where I arrived only tnx to a lot of ff-ing and turning a blind eye to FL's inconsistencies. But now I simply can't move forward, I've lost track of all the things that had a great potential but went south
Very poetic and nicely put. The creators definitely took the time and effort to masterfully present us this intricately…
It's an intricately weaved artwork indeed because we "sense" it (unconscious process in posterior brain) first and then we "think" about what's going on (conscious process in frontal cortex, rational part of the brain). It is achieved not only through this great camerawork, lights, music which are of great help to understand from whose perspective the story is told in every precise moment but also with the functional use of other arts: ceramics arts help to point out to the imperfections resulting from perfection seeking, impressionists' paintings point out to the blury vision of "the reality we actually see" and in particular Monet's Sunrise increases both the sense of haziness and fluidity and ofc., all the interiors are expertly chosen and function as stages in a theatre: this doesn't refer only to the closed spaces but also to the restaurants and promenade roads (the scene with the policeman's bro, the scene on the bridge with Da Hui Hui and Vivien playing with clownish wigs...) in the evening. And the direction is totally adapted to this (theatrical) stages.
In previous seasons there was no such a need to over-act, but now they are in the capital, in a competitive and showing off environment, surrounded by people who are also pretentious, so their behaviour, the way they talk with other persons necessarily change and give pretentious vibes.
When they are in private, they are more relaxed and talk differently, with the exception of Chicken Fed, whose (over)acting is always the same (for comic purposes).
Btw, your mother and my mother are twins separated at birth 😂 She is also "always right", lol
That rich merchant is not a husband material, his relationship with his servant is too confusing and complicated, one can't tell who is the master between the two, so better to drop them both, right?
If I were his wife, I'd stick with him, the other two are less interesting imo.
You're right about the 3rd case not being a murder mystery, but the task assigned by the emperor was in the range of justice officer competence and responsibilites. If you don't like it because of the beast, well, neither I nor FunnyBunny are fans of these strange beasts, but there's a good reason why they are present in SToTD - they are hallmarks of the specific Chinese folktales genre combining mystery, investigation and supernatural and have their "fandom" - so we bear with them.
The 3rd case wasn't interesting per se, but it was extremely important and functional in depicting the roots and the deadly depth of the political conflict between the emperor and his aunt and how much LLF is torn apart between his mother's aspirations and loyalty towards an emperor who's able to kill even innocent and talented people if they don't openly side with him. You can't deny this info was very precious to us, the audience.
Being such a die hard loyalist is indeed his flow, but beside "it is his nature", he also has no other options but to work for the "peace" doing acrobatics between his mother and his cousin, it is his destiny, his cruciatus curse and SWM is the person who understands LLF's inner torment the best. SWM doesn't mind their inverted roles in terms of investigation authority and will always cover for LLF's mistakes and showing offs. Not only because he cares about him and sees him as a family, but also because he also doesn't have a better option. When princess Taiping offered him to work for her, SWM refused. SWM is a person directly burdened by Di Renjie's legacy of an impartial justice and better prospects for upright persons in a very unjust and corrupted world.
I wonder if the author, who is a top expert of Tang's history, construed all the "strange stories" involving LLF and SWM (characters he created ad hoc) we see for 3 seasons, around his personal deductions on the politics, society and costums of the time: creating LLF and SWM actually doesn't only explain the geist of Da Tang but offers believable answers on the questions like "why the incompetent retired emperor...?", "why the incompetent Li Longji ruled so long?".
The only logical answer: the system continued to function because there were nameless persons still working for the prosperity, justice and peace. The author gave them names and the story and the drama shape. 😌
Beside, I've discovered that the poetry recited by SWM (to escape death with LLF) and later repeated by princess in tears, was indeed written by princess Taiping and found on the epitaph of her tomb (errected by Taiping as well).
The writer truly skillfully insert these real historical details in this drama (in all seasons) and it's always a pleasure to discover them.
Btw, "chancelor Cui" /Taiping's advisor may have been one of Shangguan Wan'er's lovers in his youth...
Although the story is fictional, it is inspired on real historical data and events as well as on zhiguai xiaoshuo, collection of investigation-mystery-supernatural folktales set in Tang dynasty, collected and put in writing from the Ming onwards. In these stories, a display of justice authority is common and actually expected. Combined with the self-perception as "defenders" and "pillars of the state" noble clans and families usually have (not only in China), it is only logical he behaves like that.
SWM can't afford himself to be rude to his superior. LLF can. It is his superior who must mind LLF' high status and can offend him only when has the emperor's backing. Because - beside being a Lu - LLF is also the emperor's cousin
And I've just noticed I didn't rate that great drama based on my beloved Jin Yong's story... Incredible, I'll give it 9,5 immediately
That's why BXL falls for him. He is an artist, maybe even a genial one in need to affirm himself and his vision of the world. But his poverty and rough ambition of his parents makes him a villain and a person with flows. That's why she provokes him (ofc. she knows how to do it, belittleing him, actually every wife knows how to offend her husband), choosing revenge over love.
And what is concretely "nonsense" you're talking about?