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If the show is self-aware what he is doing is wrong, but it ends up with them together then it fails the message so at this point it needs to not do that, and time will only tell. If it follows the source at all it will fall into pretty much romanticizing the abuse, but adaptations change things sometimes.

Either way I personally dislike how often Cdramas tend to do this. It feels like trashy written romance in my opinion. Compared to say Had I not Seen the Sun where the relationship is actually quite toxic and is much darker than this show and you still end up wanting their relationship to work.

Cdramas just tend to not be nuanced enough about this content from my experience anyway.

Pretty much most Cdramas are lightweight. They tend to want to reverse the actions of the abusive lead and turn them into a good person which hilariously ends up romanticizing the abuse. (not sure what this show will do in the end though)

Yeah, I mean it is all television in the long run; this part of Chinese Dramas are just why I dislike them a lot of the time. China tends to enjoy these kinds of stories rather than condemn them. Even in "green flag" romances I have noticed abusive behaviors.

Not sure how some people don't get that dark is good but romanticized abuse is not. If the show ever expects us to root for them as a couple, then it is romanticized abuse. You don't come back from almost raping someone.

People can enjoy whatever they want but I prefer my dark fiction shows to actually condemn the abuser. The fact this is popular though isn't surprising since so many Cdramas tend to romanticize abusive actions, this show is just taking it to another level though.

I am not sure why all these Cdramas are adapting works that are romanticized abuse but hey you do you, I guess.

Actual good dark fiction with controversial moments if you were curious.

Shards of Her
Had I not Seen the Sun
Thicha
Bedevilled
A Place Called Silence (2024)

Such a shame that I will have to avoid this Drama then. I was hoping it was a false tag. Such a shame really where the world is going.

AI-Generated Content? Any sources on that.

You are unwilling to be civil, and I don't discuss with people like that. You took too much offense at my original post and from that moment you were clearly never going to have a proper conversation. Get some help. No need for some random massive rant and assume so many things about my personality when you don't know me. Making that many assumptions and jumping to those conclusions is the mind of someone unwilling to converse.

I genuinely asked if you could go read the thread so you could see my thought process and you ignored that and then made a bunch of comments with assumptions on my character. That is hilarious and not productive at all. So, this is my last message even if you respond.

I never completely retracted my above statement because I don't mind people seeing my mistakes.

I wish you had actually read the thread I had with Grape that I had rather than just personally attack rather than discuss with me and try to reason. Grape and I had a great conversation about it that has led me to rethinking my thought process here. I know about what happened to Indigenous people and yes, it is horrible.

I feel you have come at me in a unreasonable way and might be misinterpreting my actions. I have 100% admitted my faults in this thread above and am human and make mistakes. I do understand that a lot of people on the internet are truly trolling or not being genuine, but I wish you would have at least tried to respond a little bit less harshly and more constructively like grape did.

Thanks again for the conversation I feel it has given me a new perspective and I needed that I feel.

Yeah the early spring is an example of what I hate in Cdramas but after hearing grape and others I am willing to continue the show now and look at it with a different take.

I myself sometimes over think things and get into my own head. If you are willing to do so read grape and my comment thread with them to see more of my thoughts. I do realize that different cultures look at things well differently, but I am open to a variety of different stories.

I can get back to you for sure though I think I will wait for the rest of the drama to end so I can marathon through and really try to focus on some of the things you have said.

Yeah, domestic violence is a really difficult subject. Not domestic violence but I did really enjoy how light beyond the reed handled its complex themes, so I do enjoy complicated plots. If the show truly handles it with care, I am willing to admit that too. I hope it does.

Yeah people shouldn't have done that to him. People are allowed to change even someone who is abusive or racist or homophobic you name it.

As said above I will for sure though I am pretty busy so it might be a while.

Thank you again for giving me a new perspective.

Yeah I love darker themes and don't expect modern PC values. I just don't enjoy the romanization of abuse that happens in a lot of Cdramas. But I have enjoyed plenty of complex relationships.

Had I not Seen the Sun for example is a very dark and toxic show but handled its themes with extreme care and didn't romanticize the actions of anyone.

Same thing with Shards of Her.

Or Maids Kdrama as well.

Your statement adds nothing to any form of conversation and is a knee jerk reaction to my post that I even admitted to Grape my own faults. I was wrong about the source and after talking to grape am willing to continue past the point that caused my frustration since I was enjoying it till then.

It is good that someone can be willing to change but I just don't see someone being drugged forced into marriage forced into house arrest and then falling in love with the person who did this. But I guess I can continue after the whole drugging aspect and maybe my mind will change. I am open to a story correcting me.

I guess after the whole drugging scenario I really wanted to see a female lead not fall in love with someone who abused her even if he technically changes. The drugging her was kind of the straw that broke me since that is really a line in a relationship that when crossed feels to me like too much.

I would much prefer he fix himself and change and allow her to move on from him. It feels like manipulation to do all that and then continue to try and romance her. Typically, an abuser will treat someone horribly and then try to admit their wrong be nice and then go back and repeat.

I will also admit I just don't think I like the way Cdramas tend to handle romance. Not all but quite a few always start with the male lead doing some kind of abuse then regretting it making up for it and then the female falls in love. It adds tension and angst for most but for me it just annoys me.

Thank you for discussing with me politely and respectfully. Even with all I said I am going to continue in the future and try to look at things in a different light. I must have just been burnt by too many shows recently. I don't want to shut down any story telling though that is for sure.

I mentioned to grape that I was wrong about the source I have had a bit of limited research on the source but minus that I still find the coercion very abusive and romanticized and it seems I would feel that way even more with the source which doesn't help its case.

I can stand corrected on that then, but it just makes both versions about falling for an abuser. My knowledge on the source I admit is limited. Still romanticized abuse though especially if it was originally worse.

Great more romanticized abuse. Falling in love with someone who forces you into marriage and drugs you are fine because he "made up" for his mistakes is one of the most classic cases of excusing an abuser ever. Why did this show have to fall into that and change how the original source handled it. Actually, insane and people just eat it up like it is amazing. This is why we continue to get romanticized abuse stories.

This is because in the source this doesn't happen. The source material is downright a depressing look at history. Sadly, Cdramas are always tainted by censorship, so it basically has to romanticize the abuse by making her eventually fall in love with him even though he is clearly an abuser. It does this because we need our end game couple for some reason.

It is a major issue in Cdramas and sadly they tend to romanticize abuse. Such a shame this story really could have showcased how poorly women were truly treated rather than what happened. Guy forces marriage and drugs his wife. This isn't complex this is Stockholm syndrome. Her falling in love with him basically contradicts all the themes this show has set.

Editing my post here to admit I was wrong about the source and I apologize.

How much screen time does Sun Qian get. I prefer stories where both leads are at the focus rather than one getting sidelined in favor of another.

Honestly as long as it isn't AI I think it looks fine enough. As the surreal look is clearly intentional and gives a very alice in wonderland vibe which is the point.

But I also dislike people saying something is AI without any evidence. There have been countless times people have done that and been wrong, trusting just our eyes now doesn't work and we need actual sources.

After we all get actual sources or real evidence I will make my judgement.