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Unfortunately, I don’t have Venmo BUT the good thing is that more people care about the type of causes that I’m involved in so we are good.

The same way you couldn’t care less about what I’m involved in, the same way i feel about this background actors. I hope you can now get my point. That doesn’t mean those cases are not valid, it just means we have our own hills. Do I make sense now?

“ But hey, if doing nothing while pointing fingers at people who do care is your hill to sit on, at least you’ve made it scenic with all that moral outsourcing.”

why do you insist on showing yourself this way online?

“ Oh, absolutely — why start noticing background actors now? It’s so much easier to keep blissfully unaware and pretend they’re just interchangeable pixels. After all, who needs depth or nuance when ignorance feels so convenient? Keep doing you!”

You’ve been talking about seeing the human side, I was only focusing on the business side. Now I want to make an effort and actually see it, it’s not good enough. Also “convenience or ignorance” was not bliss here, I just didn’t give a
damn about that issue. It was not bliss, it was nonexistent.

2) “ Ah, the classic “business will choose profit” card — the ultimate get-out-of-ethical-jail-free pass. Because, of course, capitalism always makes the tough calls for us, and who needs balance when you have spreadsheets? Makes perfect sense!” this is conversation to have with entertainment companies and yes, it makes sense since companies still do it.

3) “ it's just fascinating how often that hill turns out to be “I’ll stand over here and let someone else worry about it.” Very brave. But hey, if passively rooting from the sidelines counts as moral delegation these days, then congratulations.” When I mentioned what I do, you said something along the lines that it was respectable.

Did I expect you to join my “fights”? Are you saying that now you are aware of someone who fights for these women and kids, you will join me 🥹?? We need donations! Thank you!!! Should I send you my PayPal address? I’m assuming you will start contributing to these causes.
I’m truly touched, really. I was not expecting you to care but you are implying that as soon as we know about a cause, we should get involved.

That was porridge made with premium organic (old ingredients but still organic!) you stole and now look at you! At this point a shaman needs to be involved, can’t continue this way 😭.

“ Ah, so now the plan is to maybe watch something and maybe notice background actors for the first time ever? ”.. Would it be better to continue to ignore them and believe they are replaceable? I was going to actually pay attention but you are right, I will continue to do what I’ve been doing.

“ The ones that don’t? That’s a choice, not a natural disaster.” you wrote the paragraph thinking you were contradicting me but then ended with “it’s a choice”. Yes! That’s why I believe balance cannot be reached. The business will CHOOSE profit.

“ What better way to wrap up than outsourcing the moral heavy lifting? Inspiring.”

Again!! We all have hills to die on for humankind, THIS SPECIFIC one is not mine so I’m hoping that SOMEONE who cares enough about this issue will clearly do something about it. We all have different
issues we care about. Will I ask someone else to do something about an issue I care about? No and I don’t expect others to care about the same things I care about.

This is me repeating myself again.

“ What did I do in a past life?

What do you mean???? You forgot stealing that old bread and porridge from that beggar during that famine? 😂

“ But background actors do contribute — even if their role is silent or brief. Atmosphere, realism, immersion — none of that works without them. Calling them “people who don’t bring anything” misrepresents their purpose entirely.” To me that’s how I used to see them since I barely noticed them. I will try tonight and watch something, I will pay more attention and see if I change my mind. If they are indeed important then like I said earlier, they should get paid fairly.

“ without offering any balance still tilts the scale.” i truly don’t believe that in this specific case, we can have balance. The business side is about profit, the human side is about treating people fairly and that comes at a cost, how can that have balance in a capitalist system? Idk

“ Online discussion is often where things start — not where they end.” I agree and AGAIN if something is done outside then great! I called it noise and hot air but I also mentioned that doing something tangible outside of these forum is where the change really is.

I’m hoping that someone who read the comments will ACTUALLY do something about what have been discussed here.

1) an example

Student doesn’t participate in class nor studies, as a result no wants to have in when it comes to group projects.” It is FAIR that others refuse to have that kid in their groups, they don’t want to fail. Now, would you force the other kids to have that kid in the groups? Would you also be ok that this kids is moved up to the higher level even though he didn’t bring anything?

Seeing both side of the issue here, the ethical and business side is not contradictory. They are separate issues.

“ You don’t know what anyone else is doing offline. ”… see, this is why I believe you have a comprehension problem with some of the things I say… I said “IF YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT THEN GOOD!”

It’s noise if nothing is being really done about it.

In my personal case, the women of the Congo. I was appalled, I expressed it online THEN I started going to hospitals and pharmacies to collect supplies and send to hospitals there a few times every year . I saw
childhood hunger here, I was not ok with it, I mentioned it online and THEN I found groups that are actually helping.

If I were to just talk about my anger online, it would have been hot air and fake outrage.

“ it’s just a way to call out over-the-top defensiveness when ethics get brought up”… again, if you read and understand, you will see that I’ve been agreeing about the ethical part. Idk where you saw the defensiveness. This topic and exchange is not meaningful enough for me to be on the defensive.

“ But if you keep repeating the same thing without addressing counterpoints, it looks less like clarity and more like avoidance.”… again, I’ve addressed it with you AND a few others on here. They understood that I could see the ethical part of it, not surprisingly anymore, only YOU don’t understand what I’m typing when it comes to that.

“ That doesn’t give anyone license to minimize or dismiss others’ concerns as “fake outrage”

Where did I minimize? I said if you are actually doing something about it, good for you!

Yes, working in this field and seeing what others do when they care about a cause, sitting at home just typing online on forums without doing anything tangible IS fake outrage. Real outrage is going in the trenches, getting people together and actively doing something instead of being keyboard warriors in the comfort of the home.

If you are in the trenches, good, you have my support!

“ Finally, this isn’t about labeling people horrible for what they do or don’t care about. It’s about having a meaningful conversation instead of pretending that indifference is the same as insight.”

To have a meaningful conversation, both have to understand (not necessarily agree) but understand what the other is saying, clearly it was not the case here. You are the only one who couldn’t understand what I was saying.

Definition of clutching pearls: “ be extremely or excessively shocked or appalled.”

What was I shocked or appalled about? Nothing.

Exactly, it’s a public forum and people can even publicly display their lack of comprehension.

If you pay attention, I keep writing the same thing over and over because 1) you keep talking to me and it’s only polite to reply, if you stop, I’ll stop. 2) you don’t seem to understand what I’m saying over and over again. Others understood and they abandoned the thread.

Yes, I will continue to say that if someone is not doing a noticeable difference in a film, they can be removed since no one will noticed cuz few paid attention to begin with.

Again, I don’t expect anything from people. Push back if what I originally said was not true. We agreed that AI is being used on actors. Some brought the ethical issue, I explained my point and many saw it and decided to leave the thread. You on the other hand keeps going on and on and I keep repeating the same thing to you since the beginning.

While I sit back and smirk? Are you ok? So now you can see me? Or is it you again making things up in your mind?

A few things I care about and do something about “wars in the Congo where women are being raped by the minute.” “Childhood hunger in the country I live in”, “refugee centers in my town”… those are a few of my hills. They probably won’t be yours and that’s ok. Like I said, we all have hills we’ll die on for humankind and this AI one is not mine.

You probably won’t care much about childhood hunger here and that’s totally fine, your hill is maybe this AI taking over business… Am I calling you a horrible person for not caring about women being raped in the Congo? Gtfoh with your fake outrage, talking about “it says a lot about the type of person you are”. The gall!

1)😂 the audacity is amazing “ You don’t get to make public statements about replacing workers with AI and then clutch your pearls when someone brings up ethics”

I get to do whatever I want on public space as long as it’s not insults or threats on people. You GET to ignore what you don’t agree with.

I’m not clutching my pearls (is this a new expression you learned?) You’ve been using it wrong since clearly from the beginning I can see that on the human side it can be problematic but on the business side, it’s not. So idk about which pearls you think in your head that I’m clutching.

2) yes, not hiring people who won’t bring anything is business savvy. In this case, I believe only one person said he didn’t get paid? Was that person told they’d receive compensation and they didn’t? Then the law will be there. If now the person did the work without discussing compensation, whose fault is it?

3) honestly, idk how else to address this and since you confirmed that comprehension could be an issue and you just assume whatever you want, I’ll let you be on that ChatGPT trip.

4) you admit you don’t care. You won’t carry this issue past this thread. That’s fine — indifference is your choice. But let’s not pretend it’s noble. If you don’t care, then don’t try to be the voice of logic in a discussion about real people losing real jobs. ”

Yes, I’ve been saying that I didn’t care. I was never on here to discuss the ethical part of this issue and you now know it.

I’m not intending to be “noble”, in front of who? Strangers online who don’t even use their real names? I don’t want that type of “nobility” 😅.

Have a thread discussing real people losing jobs and that will be a different one than the original here.
Of course I’m doing nothing about this topic, I honestly don’t think you are as well. I told you that already, this comment here is just me and you.. unless you are someone big in entertainment business and you can actually do something about this issue or you’ll gather teams and actively do something about this?

I told you already that what we were doing here is just noise, idk what other logic you think you are bringing here. You are just repeating what I said above and making it sound like you are saying something insightful?

YOU and I are just MAKING NOISE right now! Unless you gather people and do something about this. 🤝

1) Staying on topic response to my original post while bringing another topic, an example “ it may or may not happen but what will the be ethical side of this?” (a bright person on this thread did that).

2) your interpretation of my values is something I can’t change nor care to change so think whatever you want. And yes, on the business side and saving the production money then yes, remove people who unfortunately don’t bring much. That’s for anything.

Would you hire and keep paying people who don’t bring much? You just hire people just to exist? More power to you! I’m sure you are hiring or taking in every person in need that you see.

2) “ As for ChatGPT: you tried using it as some ironic counterpoint to accuse others of hypocrisy — while simultaneously cheering on AI replacing humans.”… idk how you honestly interpret what you read when I reply to you. I told you that it’s a good thing that you are using it. I told you that we ALL benefit from AI.

3) “ You openly admit you're indifferent, that you won’t care in a few days, and that nothing meaningful comes out of conversations like this.”

Yes, I’m not interested in faking care online tbh. This particular topic will not stay with me because I have other human issues that I care more about. It is what it is. Pretending that I will carry this issue past this thread is hypocrisy. If you will continue then more power to you! We all have hills that we will die on for the sake of humanity and this is not mine.

“ but don’t expect everyone else to stop questioning the cost of that convenience.” you give this too much power, why would I expect anything from strangers online?

“ Acknowledging something is happening isn’t neutral when you justify it as efficient, dismiss the human cost, and treat criticism as noise. That’s not just observation. That’s endorsement.”

It is efficient, maybe not to you but to the production team. Dismissing the human cost, since we now know that you interpret things however in your mind, I will repeat this.. I said that it was UNFAIR for people who will lose their jobs but with AI taking jobs, there are new jobs being created.


Criticism that doesn’t bring tangible change is just that, noise.

1) “ Expecting a response or not, if you post publicly, people will respond. That’s how discourse works. ” I agree but again that’s when people STAY on topic. What kind of exchange can come out when people are having a conversation about 2 separate topics?

2) “ If you’re fine with background actors being replaced by AI, then you shouldn’t clutch pearls over someone using it to formulate replies. That contradiction undercuts your point.” Yes, I’m totally fine with it because I personally don’t see what a person that we barely see or notice in the background not talking is
bringing to
the drama.

I don’t need to clutch pearls since I’m fine with you or anyone using AI. Again, I was pointing out that you also benefit from it without worrying about the people who put the info you are using. Please, use it! I encourage it.

3) Yes, it’s cheaper AND convenient. Producers won’t have to worry about actors sick or background actors complaining about any type of unfairness. It will save them legal fees if they need to defend themselves. AI won’t have needs.

The only reason I mentioned the harmfulness is because you INSISTED I talked about the ethical part which we now both agree that it was not the original point.

I didn’t bring awareness and same for you. I mentioned about the possibility of AI taking their jobs and you mentioned awareness. Do you think your comments here are going to start a movement? No. You didn’t bring any new info that people didn’t already know about. This AI taking over the industry is not new. This conversation is only for me and you, nothing grand will come out of it. If you want to spark something, it won’t be on kisskh. Writing were production teams can see is where you can spark something.

I’m not pretending to care about anything discussed here. I said it above. In a few days or hours, I’ll move on with my life to deal with my daily matters. You will to and so does many others under this post.

Defend “dehumanization”… have mercy, where? Stating that it’s happening is now defending it?

1) we are back at the same comprehension problem. I didn’t say I didn’t want people to respond. I said that I was not EXPECTING a response. That if there were responses, they should address what was mentioned. You also don’t get to dictate or impose your wrong interpretation to my comment. If someone wants to engage, it’s their responsibility to make sure they understood the original comment.

There are plenty of comments online that are left without responses.

2) What deflection? I’ve been presenting my case even without the mention of ChatGPT. I only used it to show you how you also benefited from using someone else’s work without caring if they were compensated or not.

3) This topic is not a burden to me so I’m not putting it on anyone else. The reason I’m mentioning a solution is because of your original comment “so your solution is…” I am now asking, since you are outraged for them, how are you going to help?

Outraged is valid when we act on it or else it’s just temporary discomfort in front of facts. It’s just blowing hot air.

How is this conversation on kisskh going to spark a bigger change? Most people have read and commented then they moved on with their days. It’s what will also happen to both of us, by tomorrow, I personally know that I will not be discussing this topic to the point of sparking change.

1) yes, it’s possible to write something in comments without expecting a response. If a response happens to come along, the response should be based on what was said originally. I think we agreed that “fairness” was not the original discussion.

2) in this case it didn’t seem that you brainstormed, you copy/paste something that was written by someone else then put on ChatGPT. Will that person get compensation? Idk.

3) again, the topic is the ethical part and that was never the conversation.

“ ” is easy when you’re not the one being replaced. That’s not insight — that’s indifference dressed up as pragmatism.”

Of course it is! That’s human nature. What are you then personally going to do tomorrow and the following days to support consistently the background actors? You will probably be fake outraged for some time and then forget about the issue because your own personal life will take over. Yes, you will show indifference as well and maybe write some comments but what are you truly going to do about it?

How do you know that my job wasn’t taken by AI? How do you know if I’m not back to school because of that? You don’t, you just assume.

Temporary online outrage that is forgotten about in a few days doesn’t impress me at
all. So far all I’ve seen is your outrage without tangible “solutions”.

1) I’m the person who made the statement, I was not asking about others’ input. It’s the responsibility of the person responding to make sure they understand what the original commenter is saying. I didn’t ask for an exchange, you decided to bring your input in my comment.

2) isn’t it the consequences that can happen? An example, did you create the picture in your profile? If you did, great! If you didn’t, did you pay the person who created it? You used ChatGPT to find answers to copy/paste instead of building the argument yourself. It’s convenience.

Regardless of the ethical part of it, we are all using AI and it’s taking jobs away because it’s making it convenient for others. Some will lose and some will win.

Then someone interested in an intellectual exchange would ask the original commenter for more clarification, instead of the hostile and wrong “so your solution is..”, especially when the person responding comes with another topic (in this case the ethic).

And no, not everyone think that taking jobs away is harmful. There are people who see it as part of evolution and to make human lives easier. Same as using emails, phones or online shopping. Yes, retail stores are closing and people losing jobs is sad BUT many enjoy the benefits of shopping from home.

Lung cancer is negative but whatever is causing pollution is also making people’s lives easier. AI takes jobs for some but making it easier for others.

It now comes to personal stands. If I want to track an order at 2 am, I’m happy it’s AI helping me instead of a human being awake at 2 am to answer to me.

“ 'I think background actors will completely be computerized, the real people will be the mains.' That frames AI replacement as both inevitable and acceptable,”

Key words: “I think” which does not mean certainty. The comment is based on what I am personally seeing. “I think” leaves room for me being wrong.

“The air pollution will increase lung cancer in the future.” Does saying that mean that I accept it? Or is it just me making an observation basing my assumption on facts of today?

Fan was forgiven too quickly 😒.

This was the original “ AI is already being used to replace main actors.”

You just said “ but saying main actors were 'replaced' entirely by AI is a stretch”

Where did I say they were ENTIRELY replaced? Please point me to it so I can apologize for generalizing. Thank you.

The viewers and the actors need to find a way to be collectively heard. On the end of the viewers, we can boycott and send emails but what else can we do? The actors can decide to not physically show up on sets, we will support them, obviously.

I’m all for solutions that will be effective.