I dunno why but I feel like a lot of people here who are calling the first thing that happened in the first episode rape must be really young and don't actually understand what that entails. Maybe you're not, maybe you are. really young I dunno but I myself am 25 and can say without a doubt that it was not Rape in Ep 1.
I am a survivor of something similar to what people are talking about in these comments and I have also consented and "done it" while drunk. But these are two totally different things they are not the same at all!
1. The first one happens despite the person saying no whether once or multiple times. It happens by force and it happens normally while the person is stunned and unable to fight back. 2. This one happens when you are very drunk and you are feeling peckish and someone or you initiate the physical connection. Now, this is where people get it mixed up because they can both happen in states of extreme/or any drunkness. But Version 1 is Rape and the other version 2 is not. It is consented and alright with both parties. No matter if you are really drunk or not. You made the decision to drink, you got attracted to someone and then you either asked or accepted the consequences right then and there.
Now, this is the really important part and the part that should clarify it with most people here. The morning after is the most important thing because how you feel then ultimately will tell you whether you feel raped. So with Version 1. The next morning the person is ashamed, hurt, mortified, disgusted with themselves and others. They feel alone and scared and like they could never face that person again in a million years. They don't wanna talk to anyone and they really don't want to even admit they existed in the same plane as that person. Version 2. You consented or asked because you desired it. But the next morning you feel like oh gosh what have I done. I am so embarrassed, how is this going to change my life? Will it? And you think about the moments that brought you together with that person. You think about them as well as yourself. Maybe you will smile, chuckle, get angry at yourself for not waiting until you were more clear-headed so you could enjoy the whole experience. But the next time you see the person and they try to touch you(if they enjoyed it and want to start something) You might feel a bit embarrassed or shocked and might react a little too quickly but then later on you can meet them again and kinda go through what happened. Here is the big stressor! Ver 1 you can never just go back to hanging out and being friends ever again! Ver 2. You can decide to date or decide to stay friends but either way the relationship going forward changes very little or a lot in a good way. Maybe you both might regret your first time together is not more like fresh in your memory but ultimately neither of you were harmed by the experience.
I am sorry this is long. But I really wanted to clear this up as it was just bugging me like so much that people were miscategorizing it. It is completely false to say that you cannot consent to something when you are drunk, you can and many do. It's not your smartest and most reliable decisions but they are still your choices and at any point, you can say stop.
Oh, I also forgot to mention there is a 3rd option or rather a second type of consent that can occur when drunk and it can even occur when not drunk. And that is when you ask them to stop but then you make a physical decision and either ask them to continue where you left off, or you turn around and continue it for them. Either way at that point that is also consented as you physically changed your mind and the first stop is null and void at that point. At any point, with this option, you can always say stop again or punch them knee them anything if you get uncomfortable and if they continue after that then there is an issue.
Edit: I watched episode 6. And was honestly very conflicted so I had to review and think about each of the person's actions to understand and after going back and rewatching the scenes after a few times I figured it out. Mainly one sentence said by Frame kinda made it all fall into place. So spoilers for the scene and the scenes after. * Frame does originally force himself onto Book despite Book saying stop a few times. But there is this point where Frame grabs both of Books arms and forces them to the bed. He actually does this fairly gently. And they both kinda stare at each other for a while. Then Frame goes into kiss him but Book says stop a few more times but this time he isn't really fighting him anymore. Which I am not condoning and honestly it originally felt really uncomfortable for me to watch the whole scene let alone rewatch to try and figure things out.
But then they go to the next morning and Frame is kinda joking around with him and Book is kinda annoyed but not like stressed out in any way at all. He isn't showing any signs of being super uncomfortable being around Frame and he also isn't showing signs of harm or flight. He is just honestly confused what to do and how to go forward. He takes a shower and during the shower, it flashes back showing us that they have had a few moments already where sparks were starting to fly. And Book smiles but then he finds his butt is too sore and goes to tell Frame. Frame is actually very concerned and takes him to the doctor. Which actually makes Book really happy but then when they are waiting for the doctor Frame is answering all his Line messages which makes Book sad and remember that before the other day he was saying to Frame that Frame is a player. Later in the car there are some sweet moments between the two of them and you can see Book falling for Frames cute tricks, but then again he remembers how Frame is and he asks Frame if that is just kinda how it is. Frame almost kisses him and asks him to be his boyfriend because he is smitten by Book. Book thinks he is joking and then leaves without giving an answer. Once he is gone we see that Frame is really actually quite smitten by Book and worried for him.
Now all of this is super cute and all but doesn't make the night before okay. except I left out a part I wanted to add here that will make you kind of go oh it was consensual and it was because they both were suppressing feelings they had before for each other already. So before Frame takes Book to the doctor he is teasing Book back at the hotel and asking if he wants a second round in the morning. And Book just kinda shoves him off half-heartedly being like no. I said no so it means no just like last night when I said no. To which Frame responds. Ah come on are you sure you don't want a second round? If you had really said no last night I would have stopped. And Book smirks shyly and says no I don't want to it really hurts and Frame leaves it alone and doesn't push anymore, instead he tells him to take a shower. So that moment kinda really made everything kinda fall into place. Because if Book had really meant no as No I DO NOT WANT ANY PART OF THIS DON"T TOUCH ME! and not. No as in I'm a little scared/I'm shy/I'm worried/I'm stressed/ I can't stop thinking I need you to take my hand through this. Frame himself admitted he would have stopped. There is a difference between reluctance because of your own brain. And refusal because you really don't want anything to do with it and that person.
Originally Book was just wanting to get a quick lay from a stranger to get his mind off of being dumped and his own family problems. Then when Frame shows up he realizes not only is it someone that isn't a stranger and he will never see again. It is someone who is special to him. And he starts getting nervous. But I think these two things are actually the thing that made Frame push his way in, in the first place and try. I think he realized that there wasn't anything stopping him. But Book at this point is too worried and wants him to stop it isn't till the moment where he grabs both his arms and stares into his eyes that Book decides to let things go and just give into the moment. But he is still scared of his first time. Then they cut the scene and everything we know after is all the emotions he is feeling after. And none of them are hurt(well except for his butt. lol) or anger or shame. So I think in the end it was completely by consent of two adults. So I can say I can be okay with their relationship even though at first I didn't think I would be able too.
Anyways that is my personal opinion and I am not forcing it on anyone. I just wanted to help people out there understand if they did decide to watch it. What they were in for and that I don't see anyone being emotionally or physically harmed in it.
As a person who has experienced Ver 1 and Ver 2 I can tell you with 100% certainty there was never any rape in Ep 1 and ep. 6(IMO) I don't think there was in the end. Just some reluctance. But I do not mean to upset anyone and if at any point you feel like I have made you uncomfortable please stop reading. I just wanted people to know how many wrong comments this section has. But also please if at any point you feel uncomfortable watching a drama because of the contents on the screen do not hesitate to stop watching. Thank you for reading. I hope you give this series a chance it is very good.
Not gonna lie he looks so much like a baby Hyunsik from BTOB that I can't help but squeal. And Peak looks like a mini Tay sometimes. (Tay from Kiss Me Again)
Not gonna lie he looks so much like a baby Hyunsik from BTOB that I can't help but squeal. And Peak looks like a mini Tay sometimes. (Tay from Kiss Me Again)
paul who fell fromt he sky and happy if you died sound okay. But I will probably also watch the one with the guy from what happens to my family(i can't remember your name right now precious doll im sowwy)too. Just cause I love him.
I am slightly confused. In episode 9 does what Noh said at around the 16min mark insinuate the two of them have already done it? Or is that like him saying your longing for me hasn't made you forget the girl on the side?
Hi there, I am your self-appointed @loved&hatedyou1st fan moderator for fresh episodes and subs. Anytime GMMTV updates I will post the official links here in the post and every time they update the link to include Fresh subs I will update the links here to match the new subbed versions there and will repost this again. I hope this is helpful for all international fans. And that you will continue to love and support the shows on their official networks. Please let me know if any of the links stop working. Now just for bonus kringeness. Keep the BL love ~*doki doki okay*~ @loved&hatedyou1st Mod out *ppu*ppu*
No no no... Tin was the one who kissed Can, not Kengla. Also, for a simple translation of what happened, please…
A remade version of Katy's I kissed a Girl hardly stands for explaining a complex drama moment. But sure get all salty and random over it. Next time just post the link to this Lazy Subbers eng sub for the poster since that is what they are asking for. And if you are actually wanting to be helpful like the OG Poster then that was all they needed wasn't it?
I love how honest this show is about attraction. I get and understand slower moving dramas as well but sometimes its just infuriating to see when directors slow things down to an unrealistic pace just because they are too scared to go there in the physical attraction territory. Like I get some people fall fast and some slow. But sometimes directors take the slow meter to unbelievable. (I'm looking at you Sotus S I still loved the series but yeah so slow) I love this show so much. And I think they are doing a great job at an honest portrayal of how people can and do fall in love regardless of who their lover is.
Also reposting as you have to scroll a bit through the comments to find it. I really wish this site had a pin a comment option in the edit page section or like someplace we could put official links. With how many of us are international fans who don't have access to just searching it up. It would almost seem like a no-brainer since links get lost in comments so fast. Episode 1 with eng sub~
That episode was so great! I really loved it. It felt so real that in this next step of the journey they are trying to figure out the way to go about explaining everything to their families and friends and just adjusting to work and stuff like that. It was so perfect. You can see all the drama that is coming ahead but still, it seems bearable as I know in the written stories they have a happy ending. So as long as they follow through on that it should be okay. It's gonna be so heartbreaking and fun at the same time to watch it all unfold though. Honestly, I hope the fluffy boy and P'Farm make it. I hated him with the doctor and I hate him as a playboy. God those fangirls were so us though! Nailed it. So many great things about this episode seriously watch it on Line guys!
I agree such a good episode and Max dressed as a girl killed me. I died laughing so hard. And it reminds me so much of Hongbin when he did that. Honestly they look so much alike. Just Max is a beefier version.
Wait are they actually in real life friends off and gun and live together or just friends? It is so cute they use his real house and not some set though I love that aspect!
I am a survivor of something similar to what people are talking about in these comments and I have also consented and "done it" while drunk. But these are two totally different things they are not the same at all!
1. The first one happens despite the person saying no whether once or multiple times. It happens by force and it happens normally while the person is stunned and unable to fight back. 2. This one happens when you are very drunk and you are feeling peckish and someone or you initiate the physical connection. Now, this is where people get it mixed up because they can both happen in states of extreme/or any drunkness. But Version 1 is Rape and the other version 2 is not. It is consented and alright with both parties. No matter if you are really drunk or not. You made the decision to drink, you got attracted to someone and then you either asked or accepted the consequences right then and there.
Now, this is the really important part and the part that should clarify it with most people here. The morning after is the most important thing because how you feel then ultimately will tell you whether you feel raped. So with Version 1. The next morning the person is ashamed, hurt, mortified, disgusted with themselves and others. They feel alone and scared and like they could never face that person again in a million years. They don't wanna talk to anyone and they really don't want to even admit they existed in the same plane as that person. Version 2. You consented or asked because you desired it. But the next morning you feel like oh gosh what have I done. I am so embarrassed, how is this going to change my life? Will it? And you think about the moments that brought you together with that person. You think about them as well as yourself. Maybe you will smile, chuckle, get angry at yourself for not waiting until you were more clear-headed so you could enjoy the whole experience. But the next time you see the person and they try to touch you(if they enjoyed it and want to start something) You might feel a bit embarrassed or shocked and might react a little too quickly but then later on you can meet them again and kinda go through what happened. Here is the big stressor! Ver 1 you can never just go back to hanging out and being friends ever again! Ver 2. You can decide to date or decide to stay friends but either way the relationship going forward changes very little or a lot in a good way. Maybe you both might regret your first time together is not more like fresh in your memory but ultimately neither of you were harmed by the experience.
I am sorry this is long. But I really wanted to clear this up as it was just bugging me like so much that people were miscategorizing it. It is completely false to say that you cannot consent to something when you are drunk, you can and many do. It's not your smartest and most reliable decisions but they are still your choices and at any point, you can say stop.
Oh, I also forgot to mention there is a 3rd option or rather a second type of consent that can occur when drunk and it can even occur when not drunk. And that is when you ask them to stop but then you make a physical decision and either ask them to continue where you left off, or you turn around and continue it for them. Either way at that point that is also consented as you physically changed your mind and the first stop is null and void at that point. At any point, with this option, you can always say stop again or punch them knee them anything if you get uncomfortable and if they continue after that then there is an issue.
Edit: I watched episode 6. And was honestly very conflicted so I had to review and think about each of the person's actions to understand and after going back and rewatching the scenes after a few times I figured it out. Mainly one sentence said by Frame kinda made it all fall into place. So spoilers for the scene and the scenes after. * Frame does originally force himself onto Book despite Book saying stop a few times. But there is this point where Frame grabs both of Books arms and forces them to the bed. He actually does this fairly gently. And they both kinda stare at each other for a while. Then Frame goes into kiss him but Book says stop a few more times but this time he isn't really fighting him anymore. Which I am not condoning and honestly it originally felt really uncomfortable for me to watch the whole scene let alone rewatch to try and figure things out.
But then they go to the next morning and Frame is kinda joking around with him and Book is kinda annoyed but not like stressed out in any way at all. He isn't showing any signs of being super uncomfortable being around Frame and he also isn't showing signs of harm or flight. He is just honestly confused what to do and how to go forward. He takes a shower and during the shower, it flashes back showing us that they have had a few moments already where sparks were starting to fly. And Book smiles but then he finds his butt is too sore and goes to tell Frame. Frame is actually very concerned and takes him to the doctor. Which actually makes Book really happy but then when they are waiting for the doctor Frame is answering all his Line messages which makes Book sad and remember that before the other day he was saying to Frame that Frame is a player. Later in the car there are some sweet moments between the two of them and you can see Book falling for Frames cute tricks, but then again he remembers how Frame is and he asks Frame if that is just kinda how it is. Frame almost kisses him and asks him to be his boyfriend because he is smitten by Book. Book thinks he is joking and then leaves without giving an answer. Once he is gone we see that Frame is really actually quite smitten by Book and worried for him.
Now all of this is super cute and all but doesn't make the night before okay. except I left out a part I wanted to add here that will make you kind of go oh it was consensual and it was because they both were suppressing feelings they had before for each other already. So before Frame takes Book to the doctor he is teasing Book back at the hotel and asking if he wants a second round in the morning. And Book just kinda shoves him off half-heartedly being like no. I said no so it means no just like last night when I said no. To which Frame responds. Ah come on are you sure you don't want a second round? If you had really said no last night I would have stopped. And Book smirks shyly and says no I don't want to it really hurts and Frame leaves it alone and doesn't push anymore, instead he tells him to take a shower. So that moment kinda really made everything kinda fall into place. Because if Book had really meant no as No I DO NOT WANT ANY PART OF THIS DON"T TOUCH ME! and not. No as in I'm a little scared/I'm shy/I'm worried/I'm stressed/ I can't stop thinking I need you to take my hand through this. Frame himself admitted he would have stopped. There is a difference between reluctance because of your own brain. And refusal because you really don't want anything to do with it and that person.
Originally Book was just wanting to get a quick lay from a stranger to get his mind off of being dumped and his own family problems. Then when Frame shows up he realizes not only is it someone that isn't a stranger and he will never see again. It is someone who is special to him. And he starts getting nervous. But I think these two things are actually the thing that made Frame push his way in, in the first place and try. I think he realized that there wasn't anything stopping him. But Book at this point is too worried and wants him to stop it isn't till the moment where he grabs both his arms and stares into his eyes that Book decides to let things go and just give into the moment. But he is still scared of his first time. Then they cut the scene and everything we know after is all the emotions he is feeling after. And none of them are hurt(well except for his butt. lol) or anger or shame. So I think in the end it was completely by consent of two adults. So I can say I can be okay with their relationship even though at first I didn't think I would be able too.
Anyways that is my personal opinion and I am not forcing it on anyone. I just wanted to help people out there understand if they did decide to watch it. What they were in for and that I don't see anyone being emotionally or physically harmed in it.
As a person who has experienced Ver 1 and Ver 2 I can tell you with 100% certainty there was never any rape in Ep 1 and ep. 6(IMO) I don't think there was in the end. Just some reluctance. But I do not mean to upset anyone and if at any point you feel like I have made you uncomfortable please stop reading. I just wanted people to know how many wrong comments this section has. But also please if at any point you feel uncomfortable watching a drama because of the contents on the screen do not hesitate to stop watching. Thank you for reading. I hope you give this series a chance it is very good.
Keep the BL love ~*doki doki okay*~
@loved&hatedyou1st Mod out *ppu*ppu*
Official Links Ep.4 Eng Sub now up :) Sorry it was up earlier but I have been a bit busy. My fanart for Love By Chance was making my phone busy all day :)
Part 1/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL0KTzyp82c
Part 2/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_UruvhKPVY
Part 3/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94Zi3RuyfkQ
Part 4/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR2Ly8YE1yc
Official Links Ep.3 Eng Sub
Part 1/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_iGg36muSQ&t=235s
Part 2/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRXCReSyJHc
Part 3/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtTdf6D3Zko
Part 4/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcsANOuimJQ
Official Links Ep.2 Eng Sub
Part 1/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6RgdsxFhzc
Part 2/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFhN8uQo5jU
Part 3/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIvYEdItnlg
Part 4/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1y6hTgJUJk
Official Links Ep.1 Eng Sub
Part 1/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWHzqrOpso
Part 2/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAT5ywcNMDs
Part 3/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QrU1yzikZ4
Part 4/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byZA6kMVxeA
Episode 1 with eng sub~
Part 1/5~ https://tv.line.me/embed/4128867
Part 2/5~ https://tv.line.me/embed/4128870
Part 3/5~ https://tv.line.me/embed/4128871
Part 4/5~ https://tv.line.me/embed/4128868
Part 5/5~ https://tv.line.me/embed/4128869
please watch here to support the series!