Jon Smith

Sending out good vibes and thanks to the subber. I really do appreciate their hard work. I've watched the In and Sun episode 3 times already, although I don't speak Thai. I will probably watch it again but I would love to understand the dialogue this time. In and Sun were the primary reason for watching My Dear Loser, they have amazing chemistry and to think Chimon was only 17 at the time. The scene with the t-shirts and train hurt my heart so I'm glad to see In step up and admit his obvious feelings although I was worried for the better part of the episode.

I absolute adore Off and Gun. I didn't realize they were a legit couple but now the scene in Puppy Honey 2 when Off is walking away with Gun after punching the guy and warning the guy to stay away from his man seems so much more real now. Plus when he looks at him and say, "I love you so damn much."

I glad Tee and Mork get a chance to clarify their ending. The series left me wondering, "What's happening? Is this the end? Nah, this can't be the end, but it was the end." Now we get the series wrap-up that should've happened.

As for the last 2 couples, I must admit that I haven't watched either of those series so I'm glad they are going last so that I can binge watch and catch up. This SOTUS series seems to appear at the top or close to the top of everyone's BL list so I have high expectations. I've been watching YouTube clips of Tay and New, they seem like they're a hilarious couple off screen, I wonder if that same chemistry is conveyed on screen.

Whoever came up with this idea of Our Skyy deserves a promotion at GMMtv. I know they're really doing it to set up the upcoming 2019 BL shows but it definitely was a great idea. I'm super excited about Theory of Love and Dark Blue Kiss now.

@Not a Robot, @bakaao, @Gottillc
Okay, so here's my predictions about the other messed up couples starting with the train wreck that is Farm, Bright, and Rit. It is my believe that there really wasn't anything going on between Bright and Rit. I think they were plotting and scheming together to see which of the two Farm would choose and I hate it for Bright, but I think it's going to be Rit. The real question is just how understanding will Bright be about Farm choosing Rit? The first option is that Bright will he accept Farm's choice and because he loves him, voluntarily backs out of the picture so that Farm has the opportunity to be happy with Rit. The 2nd option, and the one I think is more likely to happen considering how egotistical Bright's character is portrayed, is that he is going to pull a Bright2.0 and tell Rit how he and Farm have still been sleeping together behind Rit's back. You know the old idea that , "if I can't be happy, or you can't be happy with me then I don't want to see you be happy with anyone else." This will result in a breakup between Farm and Rit with Farm realizing too late what a good thing he had in Rit and how he screwed up.

Now for Yihwa, Cho, and Art. It's not going to take long before Yihwa realizes that the connection she thought he had with Art should've been a missed connection. Art is going to show that he has a possessive side. Additionally, the members of the group are not going to accept him as it would mean siding against Cho, which we all know is not going to happen. As a result, Art is going to make Yihwa feel like she has to make a choice, all her friends or him. She will side with him initially, distancing herself from the group, because she doesn't want to admit the huge mistake she made but eventually she is going to choose her friends. This will not take place however, until after Cho has grown closer to and developed feelings for Fai. This creates an interesting new love triangle and potentially sets up a fourth installment of the series surrounded around Cho, Fai, and Yihwa. This will allow the writers to capitalize on the overwhelming love and support shown to Fai during this series as many fans believe she deserves to be with a good guy, i.e., Cho. Those fans, me included, would watch the series just to see that happen. The other thing it does, is keep Knock & Korn together, which will allow them to give fans the "fairy tale ending; wedding, house, dog, child," that will make even the most upset of BL fans happy. Additionally, the fact that Fai is, or was, Yihwa's best friend and Cho is Yihwa's ex adds just the right amount of tension and drama to draw new fans to the series. Throw in Farm meeting a new guy (possibly Mew, Korn's old ex for a good twist) and beem...bang...boom, you have the 4th installment of Together With Me: The Last Chapter.

I come for the comments. I stay for the comments. @bakaao, I like the idea of trying to guess the ending because after 10 episodes of WTF there's no point in continuing to complain about the direction of the show.

So here's my prediction...Jay comes back to to work only to find out that Pete is trying to get rid of him. That causes Jay to get pissed and finally spill the beans to Korn and Cho about Pete's past escapades with other male employees at the company and the fact that he intentionally tried to destroy Korn and Knock's relationship. Coincidentally, Korn saw Pete giving Knock a ride home after work. Now aware of Pete's true character, Korn is enraged and rushes after Pete and Knock. Unfortunately he gets into a motorcycle/moped accident on the way. He's rushed to the hospital, all the friends show up but inexplicably, Knock cannot be reached. Korn's parents arrive as Korn is going into surgery and of course the dad has an epiphany and realizes having his son alive and in love with a guy is better than having him dead in a grave. Meanwhile, Pete again tries to proposition Knock only to have it interrupted by the phone call telling Knock about Korn's condition. Knock rushes to the hospital. Bright2.0, a.k.a. (also known as) Pete, being the devil shows up also continuing to play the innocent mentor role only to be turned away by Cho and Fai. Knock of course begins to feel guilty for not making up with Korn when he had the chance and realizes how much he still loves Korn. Later, Cho tells Knock all about Pete's evil machinations, causing Knock to feel even worse about how he treated Korn and thankful that nothing more happened between him and Peter. Of course Korn survives and they reconcile promising to never put anyone else before each other. Beem...bang...boom, love overcomes all and happy ending saved.

I'll save my thoughts on the Cho/Yiwha (who I now dislike almost as much as I dislike Bright, Bright2.0, and Pleng) situation as well as the Rit/Farm/Bright situation for later should anyone be interested in hearing.

Exactly! I know so many people are upset by the direction of the show but I appreciate the fact that it has people talking about issues that often isn't discussed in the open. Grooming, manipulation, predatory dating, sexual exploitation are all things that are happening within the gay community but no one seems to want to talk about it out of fear that it will give none-gay, homophobes the ammunition to say, "see, we told you this was wrong." However, not talking about it doesn't fix the problem it just get worse.

I understand and appreciate the anger many fans are displaying about the cheating but so many people, in real life, make terrible choices when drinking. People forget alcohol is a depressant and it naturally reduces inhibitions and impairs the logical reasoning portion of the brain. If you don't believe me go to most clubs, gay or straight, and watch some of the poor choices being made by people every night. When people who are under large amounts of emotional stress, as in Korn's situation, add alcohol to the mix, there's the potential to do things totally out of character. I'm not saying this excuses Korn's behavior by any means, because we are all responsible for our actions, but I do understand how something like that could take place.

So many people are saying that Knock would be crazy to take Korn back after cheating and I was one of them at first. The emotional part of me was hurt, angry, and upset but then I asked why was I feeling all these things over a television show. The answer is simple, projection. I, and, a lot of others (from reading the comments) seem to be projecting what may be unresolved individual emotions onto the characters. We want Korn and Knock to respond in a way that we would respond and their failure to do so is an affront to our individual moral compass. However, everyone and every situation is different. The circumstances differ from the drunken one-night stand, to the reoccurring hotel rendezvous with the mistress/secretary, to increasingly open relationships and how individuals respond differs.

As I sit back and read the comments on this board as well as others, I now realize I should applaud the writer or writers because they have fostered a great deal of discussion about a topic that often is the "elephant in the room" when talking about relationships but especially gay relationships. Honestly, there is a perception that sex is the driving force behind a lot of gay relationships and before people jump down my throat, I'm not saying it is or isn't, but the perception is there. I think this is the dad's argument against Korn and Knock's relationship, something Korn didn't dispel by sleeping with Pete. Also it's a perception that's not dispelled when people see and hear about events like Folsom Street Fair, Circuit Festival in Miami, Southern Decadence in New Orleans, Ibizia, and other "gay" events where the participants, or at least the ones shown, are wearing next to nothing, drinking, and engaging in acts that may be considered a tad risque to some. This may be why the writers felt comfortable including the cheating story line.

Why should we expect the writers of this drama to be held to a higher standard that the event planners of most gay pride parades don't often adhere. If we want people to see that committed, loving, long-term relationships exist within the gay community, some involve parenting kids, then those should be the ones we showcase more often and less of the scantily clad go-go boys in thongs gyrating to the music on a family values float. I'm just saying....now let the replies come...

@Blkstar...that's an interesting take I had not thought of...what if Korn was drugged, how does that change people's opinion about his cheating and should it? Personally, I still think he bares a great deal of responsibility for what took place. The reason is that once Korn realized Knock wasn't coming he should've removed himself from the situation.

I wonder if the writers are even LGBTQI+ and therefore don't feel a connection to or responsibility for how the characters are portrayed and the impact on the LGBTQI+ community. It might just be about product placement and ratings.

I'm probably going to get some hateful responses to this but honestly, that's how messy some gay men are. They think like the dad, that being gay is only about sex and whenever they see other people happy, they do whatever to break it up because they can't stand it.

After TWM: the series, I've been team Knock all the way. I think once he accepted his love for Korn, he has done so much more than Korn to protect and grow it whether in this series or the Bad Romance series. Knock is portrayed as the childish, indecisive one in the relationship but really it's Korn. I think Knock is comfortable in his skin and therefore he makes no apologizes to others for living his life and up until now, I don't think that's the same for Korn. Hopefully now that his parents know, he's able to live his life as authentically as possible.

I've said that Pete's "boyfriend" is a creation since the beginning. Something about Pete made the hairs on my neck stand up like Bright did in TWM: The Series, creeper.

I wait to watch this episode just to give everyone else a chance to see it and comment. Again, I'm loving the comments more than the show at this point. That said, tonight's show was comical without intending to be comical. I'm starting to understand the animosity towards the writers at this point.

Knock must be an eyelash hair away from total enlightenment because that's the only thing that could explain why he would go see the guy who cheated with the person he loves and there not be a voice raised or a punch thrown. I know the spirit of Buddhism abounds in Thailand but really. I am glad that he didn't try the old "tit-for-tat" with Pete because that wouldn't have resolved anything. Also, for people who say that type of response isn't realistic, unfortunately, I've seen it in real life on more than a couple occasions with friends. It's sad, doesn't solve anything, makes things worse, but it does happen, a lot.

Korn must be in a depressive state over losing Knock so his cognitive and intuitive abilities must be compromised as that's the only way to explain him believing the load of cow manure that came forth from Pete's mouth. I'm no Sherlock Holmes but even I can figure this out...let's see 2 people in the room, one leaving the bed and the other still in the bed. The picture is taken from behind of the one leaving the bed. By golly Watson, the one still in the bed must have taken the picture.

However the real issue, which has been the issue throughout their entire relationship continues not to be addressed, communication. I know they're both in their feelings right now but at some point they need to talk and communicate honestly. Lay it all out on the table and then either heal or break up but it would definitely help expose the lies they're both being feed by Pete, who I shall now refer to as Bright2.0.

Speaking of Bright, that whole Rit/Bright/Farm storyline is truly sad and disturbing. I've always thought that Farm was in need of some counseling to deal with how Bright exploited him previously and I think what Fai said to Farm really has made him reevaluate his revenge scheme with Bright. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if he will change or if Rit will forgive him. I just hope that Rit doesn't become another of Bright's conquests.

Lastly, Cho should be with Fai, there I said it! I think that is the only logical pairing when you look at this cast of characters. Fai and Cho both have integrity and faithfulness. Fai can be that shoulder for Cho to lean on as Yihwa does her own thing. After a sufficient amount of time he comes to see how pretty Fai is, inside and out. and that he deserves someone like her and Yihwa deserves whatever she gets. Yihwa is so easily swayed by the "shiny new penny" which shows their is a love imbalance between her and Cho. When she chooses Art she's going to get an obsessively controlling Art because the grass is almost never greener on the other side.

Bring on the next episode and the comments!

Yeah Mew is gay. He was Korn's high school boyfriend and he was trying to get him back in TWM: The Series, which is why Knock didn't like him. I'm really troubled by the Farm and Bright situation. I know most people have been complaining about the cheating of Korn and Knock but everyone seems to be okay with Farm and Bright. I think that's more upsetting.

The fact that Farm was essentially sexually exploited by Bright at the end of TWM: The Series and in this series they write the Farm character to now be back sexually active with the person who exploited him is disheartening. I know there's some type of revenge scheme playing out but it just seems as though they are glossing over the impact and issue of sexual exploitation. But then again, as I said before, because it involves men, many people don't see it that way and therefore don't see it as wrong. Personally, I think it sends a terrible message to those who are watching this series, especially young, gay men, that that type of behavior is normal.

Yeah, I'm not sure what kind of message, if any, the writers were trying to send with this series. It had great potential but it's kinda gone astray. I understand what you mean about Mint. Is she clueless? Is it even his real girlfriend or is she his best friend masquerading as the girlfriend? In my opinion, that whole Yiwha/Cho/Pete storyline was really unnecessary when you consider all the other drama brewing this season. At this point, I'm watching to see just how "messy" it's going to get before the end. I know everyone thinks there's going to be this miraculous happy ending in the last episode but I'm not sure. I could see this ending with everyone broken up and going there separate ways, which honestly, might be the best thing.

I was wondering about the Mew angle as well. Actually, I was hoping before the season started that Farm would end up with Mew. I thought that would add just enough drama, close friend possibly dating the ex. However, lack of drama isn't something you have to worry about with this season. I'm still curious to see what role Jay is gonna pay in all of this. I seriously think he's the wild card in this story. The whole Pete and BL fangirl as allies in breaking up Korn and Knock was definitely unexpected.

I'm just going to say it....these comments are better than the show! I hadn't laughed until I cried in a while. Being new to the BL fandom scene I had no idea how dedicated and serious people took these works of fiction. Then again, I guess it's no different than the people who got upset about the character changes in Star Wars, Avatar: the Last Airbender or the proposed comic book changes to Superman, and Iron Man.

I just want to see how the story-lines pay out the rest of the season. Is Knock really going to cheat on Korn with Pete or is this a setup to get information? Did Yiwha cheat on Chou? If she did, will she get caught? Can Korn's dad ever accept his son's sexuality? Will Farm's plan for revenge succeed or will he end up falling back into "love" with Bright? Is Fai ever going to get a job?

Also, what if this who season is an elaborate revenge scheme of Pleng to get back at the entire crew for what they did to her in Together With Me: the series. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to watch all the episodes to find out.

Just finished episode 8 and wow! After some reflection I've decided not to weigh in on the argument as to whether the current story line ruins the series or ruins the characters, instead I'm going to view this as what it is, entertainment, a television drama. Max and Tul are real people, Korn and Knock are characters being played by these actors. Now if Max and Tul turn on each other, like Bass and God resulting in a wholesale change of actors for the 2nd installment of what had the potential to be a great series, then my spirit will be really heavy.

With that said, what I want to focus on is "what's coming next?" I think that Knock is going to find out and I think that Korn is going to be the one to confess to him. I don't think his moral character will be able to handle being a duplicitous cheater and his conscience is gonna force him to come clean about everything to Knock and to his dad. Sometimes we open our own closet doors and other times those doors are flung open whether we like it or not. With that said, whether Knock can forgive him is another story indeed and based on how the writers are writing Farm's revenge on the doctor, the continuing love story of Knock and Korn isn't looking so good.

Also, I'm wondering if Pete and Bright are brothers because Pete is a snake. I really wouldn't be surprised if Pete was a part of that little sex group of Bright's from TWM: The Series. I'm sincerely doubting that there ever was an ex-boyfriend. If there was, I think instead of being dead as Pete is leading Korn and Knock to believe, he probably left Pete once he realized exactly the kind of person Pete really is. I believe the key to this whole Pete story line will be the person I think who has seen and knows it all, Jay, the machinist guy. I get the feeling that Pete is a predator and he has done this scenario before. Will he get what is coming to him is the question?

Now back to the dysfunction that is Farm and Bright. I think @Not a Robot hit the nail on the head about Farm not having dealt with his sexual assault trauma. Revenge may give Farm a few moments of solace but he needs to work through his feelings with a professional and with the support of someone who truly loves him (Rit). What is really going on with Bright though? He can't be so stupid, self-centered, egotistical, and narcissistic as to believe that Farm would come back to him and love him like nothing had happened. This has the potential to get really ugly and all I care about is that the young guy Rit doesn't get hurt being in the middle of these two playing games.

Yihwa, get your life right girl. That's all I can say for her and the fact that grass is not always greener on the other side. Cho may have a lot on his plate a work but I don't think his "mother raised a fool" as my grandmother ust to say. As attentive and in love with Yihwa as he is, he knows when something is off with her. It makes me wonder how she can not tell, that he can tell.

Fai, my girl, please don't change. You're the saving grace for the entire crew right now.

When I first started watching this chapter of the series, I, like a lot of people was not a happy camper. Then I realized this was my own hubris. I wanted this to be a fairy tale full of rainbows, blue birds singing, yellow brick roads, gingerbread roofs, and gumdrops. However, in real relationships, falling in love is often the easiest part; staying in love and growing that love, takes hard work and commitment. Now, while not completely sold on some of the dialogue, pacing, and character development, I do appreciate that it is a true representation of problems and issues faced by people in most long-term relationships. It truly is the next chapter.

I think a lot of BL fans watching this series are suffering from Disney Syndrome, in which everything has a happy ending. Part of this I think comes from the fact that so many BL dramas unfortunately don't have a happy ending or even a conclusion for that matter. So many get cancelled before the full story can even be told so a lot of us, me included, were excited to get to a third installment in the series and hoped that we would get the happy ending we wanted to see but were denied in other BL dramas (Addicted, I Love You As A Man, etc.).

What this installment in the series does give you is a glimpse of what life is like after the love story. You see the challenges of making a relationship work and the different external and internal forces that you have to deal with in order to keep the flame of love alive. I agree @Freya Harold, the writers are helping the audience see that the relationship between Knock and Korn had its flaws and those flaws have the potential to cause major problems and possibly end their relationship if they aren't addressed. I'm just concerned that the writers will not be able to address them properly and realistically in the time they have remaining while still keeping Knock and Korn together.

I loved this movie once I figured out what it was really about. It was about Gu Si Ren finding his Hero and not Lan Xi finding hers. I will admit I was a little worried towards then end until I saw Hero take the bracelet out of the box letting us know he knew of the real Gu Si Ren's feelings for him all along and now he was ready to accept his own. I would've loved to see more interactions between those characters but overall a good short story.

I agree with you about what you're saying. I know that it upsets a lot of people when something like this is said out loud. However, I think it is a conversation that needs to happen in the gay community. A lot of people are of the opinion that "consenting adults should be allowed to do whatever they want" but I believe most people, especially a lot of young "gay" people, don't have the emotional or psychological maturity to really know what they want.

Physical maturity and emotional maturity are not the same thing. Understanding your sexuality and the effects on your psyche is a process that takes a while and can be impacted by a lot of external and internal factors; family dynamics, religious beliefs, trauma, personal beliefs, and one that is often overlooked but extremely impactful, chemistry. The effects of body chemistry through hormonal changes has a major affect on the logical reasoning portion of the brain. I think that some older people use that to their advantage and speaking honestly, couples like Ellen, Matt and Greg tend to be the exception more than the rule.

Unfortunately, due to the attitude towards homosexuality in the past although it is somewhat better today, many young gay people are not provided with an environment in which to work through the emotional issues surrounding their sexuality and what that means to them individually. Instead the idea currently being promoted is that a person not being able to "live their truth" is what's causing their emotional turmoil and "coming out" will some how solve their problems. However, often times just coming out doesn't have the effect many young people thought and so they still feel lost and unsure of themselves. Many of those young people then look toward older people for guidance and direction, and many older people are intentionally looking for young people who are in those situations. This just leads them to further emotional and psychological harm.

I say this just so you know that you are not alone in your thinking and you are not wrong in your thinking. There are elements and people within the gay community who are quick to denounce the perceived judgments of others but fail to shine that same reflective light upon their own judgmental and one-sided thinking.

Everyone talks about Addicted (which I also love) but to me the best Chinese BL drama is I Love You As A Man. The chemistry between the two actors, similar to addicted, seemed genuine and real. The love Ah Zi Yan's character had for Mai Ding was inspiring and showed that lasting love been two men is possible and a manifestation of lust as many want to believe.