Freya Harold

when i tried commenting something good about the series you come running here to say otherwise. Check out all the time me or someone else that likes the series comments, you come running here saying that the series is shit. You're the one replying to us almost all the time. It is fine if you brings out new points each time. But no you're recycling the same thing over and over again. you hate the character,writing is shit,the characters are not affectionate. same things. It gets annoying when you're spewing out the same thing y'know. I usually come here to discuss the things in the episodes. This post was the only time i just put a comment without talking about the episode because i could not bare the way people bash over the poor actors and the producers.I felt very bad for them. I can't not do anything when someone is getting unnecessary hate.That's just how I am. They produced something as they think amazing, who are these people to put down someone's hard work. How freaking hurtful is that.How sad they must be when people insults something that they worked very hard for. And most of them are int fans who are frankly not their main audience. I posted this targeting all of them, Funny thing is how you got triggered by this without me mentioning any name or what so ever.

Not only the drama criticism, the insults you use when someone doesn't agree with you're the same bc i have seen you saying the exact same thing to someone else.So lemme just address them one by one.

1. Can you kindly show me where i have said that that people that don't like this are naive people? The only thing that i remotely have talked about "naive people" are when talking about the the people that left very mean comments on ig. This is what i wrote.
" It is a shame that there is no much mature audience who could appreciate the excellent work they're putting out. I feel very bad for the cast and the team for having to deal with immature children's immature attitudes on ig."
As u can see i'm talking about the attitudes of the fans on ig

2. As for your 'gay man' remark. There really must be a glitch on my phone Bc as i can see in your profile your gender is shown as female (now don't go change it into male cuz now that's really pathetic as u called me.scrnshots exists so)

You know what screw this. I was seriously going to discuss each point and just a minute before i looked at your profile.You're just someone with a superiority complex, i really shouldn't waste my time on you. You lied and told that you're a gay man just to win an argument.You just wanted the few people that like this series to hate it as much as you do. That's really sad.iI haven't replied to any comment that have said they hate the show. I respected their opinion.When you start the conversation ofc i reply to you. I always discussed my points very calmly and nicely. Even today you come at me, insults me as "pathetic" when i didn't even mention you. You were not the topic at all.Not only me, i have seen you insult other people as well. That's how you always finish a conversation with people that don't agree with you. If you lie just to prove a point no one really shouldn't waste their time to DISCUSS things with you bc you're just going to lie your way through logics anyway. Just learn to accept that sometimes people have different opinions and tastes. You can't change that. How's that for being "realistic"?

Even lazy subber herself said in her twitter post that this cannot be categorized as bl bc this is a realistic story line.Think about it all these bls exist in this perfect world with perfect relationship with perfect communication skills right from the start where there's no homophobia and almost everyone is accepting. This is a lot like gay ok bangkok series and i really loved that.That is not that famous among bl fan girls. So obviously twmnc is not for the typical bl audience. i am proof for that. I couldn't get into lbc or 2moons so i didn't watch them(but i didn't go around bullying the team like these people tho).But i loved twm series and gay ok bangkok series. Last episode pulled at my hear strings. Their acting was top notch. I was overwhelmingly happy, and devastated. I was at the edge of my seat this is the kind of drama i enjoy. I don't know why people keep saying cheating is not realistic if two are in love. You can lose yourself under circumstances. There needs to be more than love for a relationship to succeed.Funny thing is gay men are saying that this is pretty realistic for them(if u don't believe me and want links,i can give them) but fan girls say it is not. So i am surely gonna listen to the people this is targeted for. Film geek in me LOVED last episode.It was excellently executed.I love when a tv show/a movie evokes emotion in me. That's what art should do.I have seen one couple make it past cheating and have been happily married for 11 years now in real life(my aunt). Hopefully KornKnock would be able to make it past this.

Please stop comparing this to other bl cuz this is not a bl.This easily could be a real story. It gives me that feeling so much.It is a shame that there is no much mature audience who could appreciate the excellent work they're putting out. I feel very bad for the cast and the team for having to deal with immature children's immature attitudes on ig. Now people would say that i think i am superior. I am not. I didn't like lbc or 2moons but i never go to their page here and bash on them. Bc imo everyone's tastes differ but i see a lot of people leave nice comments about it and i don't go running there and say "oh there're these things wrong.This is very unrealistic". It is because i don't want to ruin someone else's fun. I don't consider it as not being able to accept opposite ideas. Let's just say i like this kpop idol and someone comes and bash him. I would be pretty down cuz i don't want someone to hate something i love.. People here are like bullies. They be like "Oh i don't like this. This is shit. Don't say it is good. No matter what you say This. is. shit. That's it." Do you realize how immature you sound. Let the people that like this enjoy it in peace. I am very annoyed with the way the fans that like this series and the twm team is treated. Don't be like it is my way or high way. You want realistic right? You can never always have it your way in real life. @AthenaAyawo this is not directed towards you, i was just so frustrated i had to say it here. I have seen that you enjoyed it all along. Hiya mate!

it is getting out of hand. they are writing really mean things on actors and series ig pages. They're human too. They worked very hard for this whether they like the series or not. These so called fans need to respect.And most of them are not constructive criticism just hate and plain bullying. It is funny how they're talking about a fictional characters flaws and bad manners while acting worse than fictional characters irl. I never knew twm fandom was this toxic

And about the cheating, i understand how it happened. But pls understand i am no way trying to find excuses for cheating, because cheating is always a choice.i just understand how korn came to this point.

First of all there's no such thing as out of character when comes to humang beings feelings. Sometimes people do things that we never expect them to do. Or else there won't be such things as murders bc i don't think anyone would call anyone 'in character ' when they murder. No one is born as a murder. Circumstances push us to do things we never dream of doing.That's how humans are.Complicated.
Second of all i could feel Korn was gonna explode at some point in this episode,i didn't think it would be this way tho.You could see that he was clearly emotionally unstable throughout this episode. Knock isn't understanding him so he goes to his dad tries come out he doesn't understand him either. No one is acknowledging his efforts. And then there's this pete guy, always telling him 'you're doing your best,you're doing good' ,implying that knock should appreciate and understand him more. Korn must have felt that he is the only person to understand him,to give him comfort and to reassure him. Korn was already emotionally vulnerable at that point. We could see that when he lashed out after the phone call with his dad,when lashed out so easily at Jay the worker when he was alway patient at his remarks, also when he asked cho to call knock(he looked broken in that scene). So i can SEE what led Korn into cheating but he could have stopped going all the way. He is definitely at fault here.

When cheating happens even if they somehow make up, a huge part of the relationship is lost. That's what makes me sad bc KornKnock will never be the same.

C'mon guys don't just pay your attention to the negative aspects of the series, pay attention to the positive ones as well. imo that coming out scene was excellent in every aspect.Any scene in any bl series have never managed to made me cry like this. I felt a different kind of emotion while watching that. I was tearing up but i was very happy. The acting of all three actors were amazing especially tul and the actress playing the mom. And the lines were on point. I LOVE the part where knock's parents talk about Knock building toy cars when he was young. They did that to make Knock feel like that he is still the kid he always was in their eyes.And the background music was so beautiful and touching too.

I think no matter what we always should focus on the positive things and give credit where it is due.

yeah they have enough eps left to have a rational ending. Hopefully they can fix their individual problems and learn to forgive. I have only seen one couple in real life that made it past cheating.Right now i don't want them together but maybe they'll be able to give us credible reasons for us to want them together again. There're 6 episodes left after all

what i never get is why do you say that Knock not being affectionate is unjustified? There was a problem here. Korn proposed to him which means he is ready for a life long commitment.He PROMISED knock that he doesn't care about what other think as long as he has knock when he proposed. And after 3 years Korn is still keeping him as this dirty secret. They can't be seen as a couple in the office or in front of parents. Who could bear that? As we can see in this episode Korn didn't even THINK to come out to his parents till this episode. He wouldn't have even made that little effort if Knock didn't act like this. Korn would just let it go under the rug for how long,god knows. Some people need a little push to take a certain step. Korn is that kind of person. So knock not being affectionate was the only way he has to get korn's attention cuz Korn never listens to what he says. He just ignores them. What more knock could do other than acting like that?

i understand that they did that to make us more affected by Korn's cheating. But i feel so bad for the actors and the crew cuz that scene didn't get enough credit as it deserved. People keep talking about the cheating thing while ignoring that excellent and very beautiful scene

sure their personalities are different than in together with me but very similar to bad romance. And it should be like that cuz twmnc is supposed to be after bad romance in their time line

i think that's what they're trying to do. That's definitely what they should do if they're going for the realistic storyline.

Before this episode lot of people liked and still likes this season on twitter and stuff even tho here it is mostly hate.Cheating was the breaking point for them. All they're hoping for is them breaking up.tbh no one deserves to be cheated on. Korn was completely aware what he was doing or else he wouldn't say "don't tell Knock". So it really means he really has no regard for Knock anymore. So that's why i am saying that they should break up for good if they're going for a realistic storyline cuz you really can't come back from cheating.The trust is broken now.

But i think they should have added this cheating scene in a later episode cuz that coming out scene was the most emotional scene i have seen in bl. The cheating scene overshadowed that. It was like mocking Knock's braveness for his love. I am definitely very invested right now cuz i really want to see the break up scene and see Korn regret his actions.And that would be a really good life lesson for us audience . Let's be real a couple like Korn and Knock wouldn't last in real life anyway. We could clearly see that throughout all three seasons even tho most of us don't want to admit it.

That coming out scene was so amazing and smartly written, it made me smile while tearing up. I hate how that scene was overshadowed by ths stupid cheating scene. I think they're gonna break up at the end y'all. There's no any other way

Exactly! Thank you for saying this. I also agree that the time they have is not enough to address this kind of problem. I think they should have focused on just two couples. Let's wait and see :)

Look i am not trying to rationalize it. I am just saying what i clearly see. Rationalizing suggests that i am trying to logically explain something that's not true. There are people that agree with what i'm saying and also people that agree with what you're saying.Trust me i'm someone that is very picky when it comes to tv series and movies. If i don't like a tv series, i won't even come to the review section to see what everyone else is saying about it .That's how much i wouldn't care. Why do you say it's badly written? From what i can see with your previous comments, it's because they're not happy as you imagined them to be,because they're not the white characters you want them to be. They're acting like arseholes right now, i know! Even in real life someone you loved once can look like a very black character when problems arise. I hate when dramas show characters as these perfect,fully white characters. They're not relatable at all for people irl. Most people irl are grey. But sure if you don't like it, it's okay. It's your opinion and this is mine. We'll just be commenting back and forth if we keep this up cuz you don't like the drama but i do.Have a nice day! P.S. Read @JonSmith comment.He explained what i feel very well. :)

I agree with all of your points because they're true. But what i don't agree with is that this is bad writing cuz imo this is a good storyline.

Here's the thing. Parents can't break up an adult relationship if it is stable and they have no doubts about their relationship. But if the couple's relationship is in a bad shape the smallest outside forces can tear them apart. Right now KK relationship in a very bad place.They have a lot of problems inside their relationship.They can't face outside problems unless they secure their relationship.

First they have to build up their relationship and then they have to face the outside problems like parents problem together as a couple.. That's why i think parents problem is just a sub plot they used to bring out their REAL problems(like communication,co-dependency..etc) in their relationship which they didn't deal with in the previous two seasons.And that's the main plot.At least that's how i think the storyline goes.

As for character development i have seen few. It's been only like 10 days max, in their world. So we can't see any huge character developments yet. One character development i 've noticed is that now Knock is aware that Korn gets jealous when he acts certain way with other people. With wanwan and pete scenes he always glances at Korn to see if he is alright with it. So his pettiness back in Bad Romance creating all that drama with cho, is kind of gone( I think those two scenes he checked out the girls were a wrong way to show that he is bisexual but appreciate the fact that they added a bisexual character.) And Korn, he doesn't keep his mouth shut anymore when Knock does something that bothers him like he did in the previous 2 seasons.

But like you said there are few plot holes and we have 7 more episodes to go. So hopefully they take care of them in the next episodes. And like you said if they pull a bad romance at the last episode, i'd be very pissed cuz they've a very good storyline that'll be great and gives out a good massage if they do it right. The message being if you don't have a good strong relationship the tiniest outside force can tear it apart. It won't be long lived.

Exactly! That's their problem too. They were so happy together before. Something went wrong. This is what this chapter is about. Their relationship is not the same as before. They need to figure out the problems and solve them. As you said in the previous seasons they were happy together,genuinely cared about each other which means they obviously loved(as you say) each other at the beginning. Then they shouldn't give up on their relationship, they need to pass this rough patch. This chapter is about "what happened to the once happy couple, can they overcome that" Is it the beginning or the end? we'll see

I have seen your comments and understood that you don't like this season. It is your opinion, i completely respect and understand that.

But let me just answer your comment.(I am only talking about KornKnock relationship here as i am not interested in the other couples)
From what i can see, there's no physical or emotional abuse going on between Korn and Knock. They clearly love each other cuz if they did not there will be no arguments, why? They simply don't care. But as we clearly see,when one is mad,sick,sad,they worry about each other. I never measure love with sweet words and kisses. I measure it with actions. Their action clearly show that they care about each other very much.So i would not consider these arguments as them being awful to each other.Sometimes couples argue and hurt each other with words they don't mean but when they love each other they try to work at it. What i consider as a toxic relationship is one where there's physical or mental abuse meaning hurting their feelings deliberately. I see none of these things happening with KornKnock

When two people love each other, you just don't give up or else you never will be able to have a relationship. Like how the movies and the tv series show two people are not born as anyone's other half. You have to work at it. You have to MAKE the other person your soulmate.Understand each other's weaknesses,strengths,what makes them angry.You can't do that quickly.Sometimes people that are married for about 30 years still can't understand each other and have arguments.

KornKnock love eachother, care about each other and worry about each other's well being. Then i don't see why they should give up on their relationship. They have only being LIVING TOGETHER for about 2 years max. They are in the phase of figuring out the things about their partners that annoy them. When you are living together, every couple has to go through this phase. I have seen couples that have gone through SO much worse times than these two are going through and have come out strong and still going strong at the end. That's what you do when you love someone, you keep holding on no matter what but when one person stops trying is when you should let go.

I know this is a long ass comment but i have seen you say that KornKnock relationship is toxic a few times.It just bothers me because if people starts calling this kind of relationship with very basic relationship problems toxic then there's now words to label REALLY toxic relationships. If you disagree with me that's fine, this is just my take on it :)

yes i agree. There's no excuse for cheating. Let's be real all they do right now is fighting so that could be the reason that led Korn into cheating BUT it's not an excuse. I still can't say much about it cuz for all we know it could be someone's imagination.

About the kissing scenes, i think that's the reason everyone is so angry about. They should at least have a peck on the lips by now cuz KornKnock couple was always portrayed as this lustful couple in the two previous seasons. Even in Bad Romance even tho it wasn't shown, it was implied multiple times that they had sex all the time. That crazy spark has now completely vanished. That's why people feel like they're not in love and don't want each other anymore especially Knock. No matter how mad you're at your boyfriend, the attraction doesn't disappear. I think that's the biggest mistake TWMTNC team made.

I hope you read this and see this series in a different perspective
In TWM 1, what did you like about KornKnock's relationship?
For me the only thing i could see is the sex appeal. There was friendship that they had since they were kids. Other than that i couldn't see their emotional connection as a couple. They were hot for eachother that's all i could see.

In TWMNC(i am deliberately ignoring bad romance cuz let's be real they didn't have a storyline) , in the first episode we see this fantasy created by fans. I know some of you find it offensive but i take it as a hit to those bl series and some bl fans fantasy world where these couples are having sex left and right and where they don't have arguments and have perfect relationships right from the start. I will be honest whenever i thought about Korn Knock all i could see were them having sex cuz that;s all they did in the previous season..

Then there's the reality, which is completely different from the fantasy.They showed us right from the first episode honeymoon phase of their relationship is over now.

Now take out the freshness of the relatiionship and good sex out of the equation. Now for their relationship to survive, they should have a good emotional connection. They should be able to trust eachother and be emotionally compatible with eachother to deal with day-to-day life situations together. As we can see they have huge problems in that area.

Then let's take a look at their problems in their relationship and how the writers very smartly brought them out. They had all these problems before but they didn't focus on them in the previous seasons.Now is the time if they want to have healthy long relationship.

1.Communication - This is something lots of couples have problems with. I love how they brought out that problem in the previous episode with how Knock didn't tell Korn he didn't like the job. But Knock told his boss at once,didn't tell it to Korn. And when Knock behaved carelessly at the job, he didn't ask Knock why he behave that way either. Knock might have told him if he did ask,
And we see Korn tell Cho in a previous episode that Korn feels Knock doesn't want him anymore(which could be the reason Korn is led to cheat but we're not sure about that yet so), But he doesn't tell that to Knock. And Knock also doesn't tell Korn he feels unimportant everytime he postpones coming out and kicks him out of his home for keeping up appearance.(But also we could see Knock sometimes tries to tell Korn about his worries but Korn isn't listening, we'll get to that later )So we see both of them have communication problems.

2.Co-dependency - I saw this from the first season. Knock is so dependent on Korn( and other people). In this season director really brought out that issue over and over again in the previous 6 episode. In the last ep we could see that Knock doesn't even remember to put on toothpaste cuz Korn did that for him always. We could see he really can't keep up without Korn. He is too dependent.

3.Power imbalance- This is a problem that has ruined lot of couples.When one person has this idea he is always right and ignores other person's thought, a relationship is doomed to fail. One of my own relationships got ruined because of this. Have you noticed that Korn really doesn't listen to Knock's worries about WanWan? Also how now a few times Korn has said that Knock is like a child? I think Korn patronize Knock too much. He decides for Knock(Fake relationship with Wanwan.). He speaks for Knock ( Did you notice how many times, he tries to get in the middle of problems of Knock with his boss?) Korn really do think Knock is a child. He acts like a dad to him. He needs to let Knock do things by himself and suffer consequences for his actions by himself.

These are just few problems they brought out and i think directors,writers and the actors are doing a great job.I think they're working towards a break up which is really necessary cuz they need to grow as individuals first. There's some smart story telling. Yes this is depressing but real life can get ugly when we don't solve our problems.

(And about the cheating thing, i didn't think they would go for that cuz of fanservice. Korn cheating at this point is no surprise, cuz Knock is rejecting every advance Korn makes towards him, Knock isn't being affectionate. Now he found out that Knock hides stuff from him, I could see Korn at least thinking about someone else.Bu we don;t know for sure what happened so let's just wait)
All in all it's really admirable they risked popularity of the series for a realistic storyline. Whew! This is the longest review i have ever wrote haha

yeah :) I watched some MaxTul videos to cheer me up haha