So, the female Ghost tried to ensure the creation of Grid. To do so she had to ensure that her mother is born. The mother is daughter of Sae Byeok.
But who is the father? I think it's Sae Ha, not Eo Jin. Think about it, when Sae Ha was killed for the first time, Ghost attempted to save him, but she was stopped by the male Ghost who tries to cause the destruction of Grid. Why would the male Ghost want to make sure Sae Ha dies if this ensures the creation of Grid?
There wouldn't be any point of making Sae Byeok and Eo Jin "separated". Like, why? And remember when Sae Byeok and Eo Jin arrived to the place of the female Ghost and Sae Ha, for a split second it seemed like Sae Ha and Sae Byeok were parting after a hug, yet Sae Byeok didn't seem surprised to see him.
Also, didn't the male Ghost who was the different version of the one who attacked the female Ghost helping her to do something with Sae Ha?
So, yeah, either he survived and facked his death or it's the other version of him in the end. But I believe he is the father.
It is incredibly ironic how it felt like they were forced to part their ways by the outside forces rather than on their own accord.
I would actually say this makes this pair all the more exceptional in the dramaworld. And even generally speaking.
No, the ending was not written well, but the previous episodes seemed to have given the characters so much life that the conflict between what was the authors' intent and the unbelievable sequence of events was too apparent.
Again, think of Fleabag/Hot Priest, Sylvie/Loki - very bittersweet endings but believable storytelling. YJ and HD's separation would have made sense if they did it to save their friendship.
My problem with the ending isn't that it was bittersweet. In fact, I'm a sucker for a good bittersweet ending and I had expected it after ep.15.
The issue is that the leads felt really out of character. Also, their relationship was never "inherently" romantic, as time passed, they would've reconciled, at least as the friends. It didn't feel "realistic", it felt forced.
Like, the last episode was the opposite of "realistic" because it was not believable at all. These two people didn't want to let each other go, and they were shown to still harbor feelings for each other in the future. It didn't feel like "things change but life goes on", it felt like "people do things they regret", and I wouldn't have an issue if that was what the writer actually wanted to say, but I doubt that, it just came off as that.
Listen, all that matters in fiction is a good storytelling, 2521 definitely had an exceptionally great storytelling up until ep.16. The thing is, while this fantastic drama's rating shouldn't drop just because one episode, it is tricky when it comes to the last episodes, the bad last ep is going to leave a sour taste in the viewers' mouths. Objectively speaking, the last ep was not written well and not delivered well storytelling wise.
I liked the idea of "they break up to protect the purity of their love and leave only the good memories" but again, didn't came off as that. It didn't feel right and it didn't make much sense and the whole thing had a bad packing.
Fleabag, for example, has one of the most bittersweet romance endings, but it felt exactly right, it made perfect sense and was written well, with good packing.
The 15 eps of 2521 made the drama one of the very best series in the recent years, but ep 16 was rushed and forced.
All of this being said, I have to also mention that it will be a while before we see chemistry this electric between the leads again.
The writers messed up the show. They have the power of the pen. The plot of this show was fighting predestination…
Im glad that even if we did not agree on interpretation of this drama, at least we are finishing this conversation on respectful note which is rare in online conversations! I also want to add that in my opinion, the writer, as much as they are cruel, are also a coward. Like i said before, Dan oh and others are in different situation than characters that are meant to be real people. So in a way, these characters wanting to change is a writers subconcious calling. Yet the writer is trying to not risk and goes along with typical plan for webtoons. As for whether Dan oh and others were able to be finally free, i think the main message in the last episodes was that even if we cant change something we must cherish moments together. In webtoon that this drama is based on, haru and dan oh become the leads of upcominf comics which means they won.
The writers messed up the show. They have the power of the pen. The plot of this show was fighting predestination…
First of all, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion and point of view. So, i dont want to seem like one of those online strangers who are like"you diagree with me and im gonna change your opinion". I get your frustration with how they decided to handle the problem of free will but i dont think they did things this way because of lazy writing. The thing is, metaphysical problem of free will has been subject of debate since ancient philosophers in west and east. It still remains the kind of a problem that philosophers cant agree on.
So, i like how writers of the drama decided to handle it. They dont give us definitive answer on whether the world itself is determined or not. The characters situation in this drama is different from those characters who are not supposed to be part of someones imagination. So, how are they going to act the way they want on stage if it is not up to them? Yet, they still manage to be free in shadow and they fight for this.
I disagree that dan oh wants to stay alive only for haru , well at least i did not see it this way. If i did i would be quick to drop this drama. Dan oh has been wanting to survive before she met haru and after. It is just that once she realized that they cant change their fate on stage, shes going to live her life in shadow the way she wants to and that included being with haru. Now, she was horribly depressed when haru dissapeared but that was not only because she lost someone she fancied. That was because it was largely her fault. How could she not feel this way when she thought he died because she asked him to help her? Harus dissapearance also meant that she was not able to change her fate since hari symbolized rebellion against the author. They were not meant to be. She was not able to cherish moments with her dad or friends because she was not sure whether they really loved her or it was just part of their role.
As for knight in shining armour, i also interpret it in different way. She was not looking for a male person who would become her bf and do his bf duty or whathever. She was looking for someone or something that was not so controlled by writer and the reason why haru is not as controlled as others is because he is a mere extra. So, he doesnt have such strong set up as others and is able to act more or less "unnoticed".
Again, you dont like this drama and i get ypur point of view. I simply dont see things the way you do. There is nothing wrong in love oriented plot and as for first episodes, i also dont think it was about empowerment but about naive and optumistic start and later on things got complicated. Dan oh was proven over and over that she cant do anything because after all, she is authors doing but she did not give up. She acted against authors wishes in shadow and only stopped trying to change stage when it endangered others. So in the context of the drama, i mean the fact that ot is comics world, the problem of free will is more of a subject of metaphysics rather than social or individual empowerment.
I have to disagree with you. As a feminist, i didnt find anything sexist about this show. It was a love story and not only dan oh but the rest of the cast were pretty much romance oriented. They live in comic book world after all. Dan oh crying and all is understable considering the fact that she is a character whose fate is predetermined for her and she cant do anything about it. She was doing everything to save herself but then realized that by doing so, she might seriously endanger others. And no, she isnt giving up everything and not seeing how loving her father is because the only thing she wants is haru. The main issue she has, the thing that triggers her existential crisis is the fact that she isnt able to change anything and most of her life is a lie. And she was not seeking the love. At first she just used haru as someone who could help her She only fell for him later. There was also development. Dan oh accepts that she might not be able to change her fate and decides to live her shadow life as she wishes. Don hwa accepts that ju da doesnt choose him. there is very sexist tendency of putting down women who are traditionally feminine or show emotions. There is nothing wrong with a female character who is fragile but dan oh being all strong and determined after all shes been throught would be simply unrealistic. Also, story was not about empowerment. That doesnt mean it was sexist but simply means that theme is different.
So, the female Ghost tried to ensure the creation of Grid. To do so she had to ensure that her mother is born. The mother is daughter of Sae Byeok.
But who is the father? I think it's Sae Ha, not Eo Jin. Think about it, when Sae Ha was killed for the first time, Ghost attempted to save him, but she was stopped by the male Ghost who tries to cause the destruction of Grid. Why would the male Ghost want to make sure Sae Ha dies if this ensures the creation of Grid?
There wouldn't be any point of making Sae Byeok and Eo Jin "separated". Like, why? And remember when Sae Byeok and Eo Jin arrived to the place of the female Ghost and Sae Ha, for a split second it seemed like Sae Ha and Sae Byeok were parting after a hug, yet Sae Byeok didn't seem surprised to see him.
Also, didn't the male Ghost who was the different version of the one who attacked the female Ghost helping her to do something with Sae Ha?
So, yeah, either he survived and facked his death or it's the other version of him in the end. But I believe he is the father.
I would actually say this makes this pair all the more exceptional in the dramaworld. And even generally speaking.
No, the ending was not written well, but the previous episodes seemed to have given the characters so much life that the conflict between what was the authors' intent and the unbelievable sequence of events was too apparent.
Again, think of Fleabag/Hot Priest, Sylvie/Loki - very bittersweet endings but believable storytelling. YJ and HD's separation would have made sense if they did it to save their friendship.
The issue is that the leads felt really out of character. Also, their relationship was never "inherently" romantic, as time passed, they would've reconciled, at least as the friends. It didn't feel "realistic", it felt forced.
Like, the last episode was the opposite of "realistic" because it was not believable at all. These two people didn't want to let each other go, and they were shown to still harbor feelings for each other in the future. It didn't feel like "things change but life goes on", it felt like "people do things they regret", and I wouldn't have an issue if that was what the writer actually wanted to say, but I doubt that, it just came off as that.
Listen, all that matters in fiction is a good storytelling, 2521 definitely had an exceptionally great storytelling up until ep.16. The thing is, while this fantastic drama's rating shouldn't drop just because one episode, it is tricky when it comes to the last episodes, the bad last ep is going to leave a sour taste in the viewers' mouths. Objectively speaking, the last ep was not written well and not delivered well storytelling wise.
I liked the idea of "they break up to protect the purity of their love and leave only the good memories" but again, didn't came off as that. It didn't feel right and it didn't make much sense and the whole thing had a bad packing.
Fleabag, for example, has one of the most bittersweet romance endings, but it felt exactly right, it made perfect sense and was written well, with good packing.
The 15 eps of 2521 made the drama one of the very best series in the recent years, but ep 16 was rushed and forced.
All of this being said, I have to also mention that it will be a while before we see chemistry this electric between the leads again.
I also want to add that in my opinion, the writer, as much as they are cruel, are also a coward. Like i said before, Dan oh and others are in different situation than characters that are meant to be real people. So in a way, these characters wanting to change is a writers subconcious calling. Yet the writer is trying to not risk and goes along with typical plan for webtoons.
As for whether Dan oh and others were able to be finally free, i think the main message in the last episodes was that even if we cant change something we must cherish moments together. In webtoon that this drama is based on, haru and dan oh become the leads of upcominf comics which means they won.
So, i like how writers of the drama decided to handle it. They dont give us definitive answer on whether the world itself is determined or not. The characters situation in this drama is different from those characters who are not supposed to be part of someones imagination. So, how are they going to act the way they want on stage if it is not up to them? Yet, they still manage to be free in shadow and they fight for this.
I disagree that dan oh wants to stay alive only for haru , well at least i did not see it this way. If i did i would be quick to drop this drama. Dan oh has been wanting to survive before she met haru and after. It is just that once she realized that they cant change their fate on stage, shes going to live her life in shadow the way she wants to and that included being with haru. Now, she was horribly depressed when haru dissapeared but that was not only because she lost someone she fancied. That was because it was largely her fault. How could she not feel this way when she thought he died because she asked him to help her? Harus dissapearance also meant that she was not able to change her fate since hari symbolized rebellion against the author. They were not meant to be. She was not able to cherish moments with her dad or friends because she was not sure whether they really loved her or it was just part of their role.
As for knight in shining armour, i also interpret it in different way. She was not looking for a male person who would become her bf and do his bf duty or whathever. She was looking for someone or something that was not so controlled by writer and the reason why haru is not as controlled as others is because he is a mere extra. So, he doesnt have such strong set up as others and is able to act more or less "unnoticed".
Again, you dont like this drama and i get ypur point of view. I simply dont see things the way you do. There is nothing wrong in love oriented plot and as for first episodes, i also dont think it was about empowerment but about naive and optumistic start and later on things got complicated. Dan oh was proven over and over that she cant do anything because after all, she is authors doing but she did not give up. She acted against authors wishes in shadow and only stopped trying to change stage when it endangered others. So in the context of the drama, i mean the fact that ot is comics world, the problem of free will is more of a subject of metaphysics rather than social or individual empowerment.
She only fell for him later. There was also development. Dan oh accepts that she might not be able to change her fate and decides to live her shadow life as she wishes. Don hwa accepts that ju da doesnt choose him. there is very sexist tendency of putting down women who are traditionally feminine or show emotions. There is nothing wrong with a female character who is fragile but dan oh being all strong and determined after all shes been throught would be simply unrealistic.
Also, story was not about empowerment. That doesnt mean it was sexist but simply means that theme is different.