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XF also had SH by his side who is very devoted to him and also helped him by taking care of his soul. She could do anything for his happiness except sharing him with another woman that's love too.

The basic foundation of love is trust and understanding, JM stayed so long with XF but still he doesn't know a thing about JM even when XF is aware of the fact that JM doesn't know gender differences or for her meaning of love doesn't mean in a romantic manner still he never tried to know why is that and considered each of her actions as a romantic gesture also, they both claimed to love each other but when the time required them to trust each other they choose the opposite.

XF is even worse he also manipulated JM, is a soldier who had killed many and also killed that bride tribe leader for SH..
You talk about intent then what was XF's intent when he never stood up for his brother or when he manipulated JM or when he planned to have sex with her etc...

If u work in mental health but do u know whats the Legal aspect ??? A person without a sound mind doesn't get convicted completely as he is not able to think properly however its not the case with people having sound mind they get convicted fully since they are able to think properly.
But it's a historical drama and u r judging it from the perspective of Modern Times. Times changes, situation changes , opinion changes.


I know love triangle can be tiresome but i don't usually get SLS since we know its about the leads and they will be the endgame but the problem with AOL is not about SLS its about how the much injustice RY suffered and how those who claimed to care about RY never actually did anything for him and when he had one happiness it was taken away. How he got all the blame but leads never apologized to him for their actions.

There is so many ifs an buts in respect of starting..
Without pill JM will be no different than any other girl who like XF due to his physique and status etc and XF isn't interested in them but yeah from there perspective JM is the most beautiful so that can become a differentiating factor.

Or if the empress had never lured RY and fed him memory loss pill, it would be XF who will have the engagement with JM and things could have turned easily for all of them including RY.
The end is the end what can we do >.<

I actually wanted to say a lot but then the comment might turn up like an essay and it can ignite all XF shippers so, I tried to make it short and precise as much as possible.
I agree these so called not so innocent people literally treated RY like shit from the beginning and in the end got themselves free of the burden in respect of all kinds of injustice they commited towards RY.

I don't like this show bcoz neither I respect the leads nor I agree with their love defination. For me this show has degraded the real meaning of love.

I m just happy that I get to see RY aka Luo Yunxi, he is really such a great actor and like everyone I m also waiting for immortality ?

For me i feel before Mortal Trial both XF and RY were equally good for JM, the only difference was that RY had an engagement with JM so, i was actually fine with that however, many didn't liked only bcoz XF is the main leads and is being palyed by Deng lun.
Now i will also mention few things:

1. You mentioned about what love is ?? But how does JM knows what she feel is love ?? JM who has never seen the outside world met XF first and fell for him, is this really love or just her arrogance to believe that it was love.
If its like how everyone says that love is about trust, commitment and understanding etc then where is the trust between XF and JM or is it just confined upto showing romantic gestures? how come XF has the right to manipulate JM during her Mortal trial and making her sleep with him ?? is this love you think or was it XF's insecurities and planning.

2. That's the problem everyone think RY did all bcoz of what he suffered, it wasn't just about himself but he did for the sake of bringing peace into the world which is very apparent from the conversation between RY and the empress (before her death).

3. How double standards people follow when RY helped JM its his choice bcoz JM didn't asked him but when XF didn't helped RY which is all bcoz RY never asked him. And moreover if not for RY there won't be any JM alive.

4. I dont like the leads in anyway bcoz they were insolent and selfish.
XF used Moon Immortal power to tie himself up with JM which changed JM's fate but that isn't manipulation bcoz he is the main lead and after that he deliberately planned to sleep with his own brother's finace in the name of love or to make fun of RY loss.

5. XF never stood up for RY when he is already aware of the fact how RY is being treated by Empress. You are actually making someone live like hell for thousands of years are u a monster and those who watched it what they are..? Parents does everything for the sake of their kids security and future so, if XF never agreed with what his Mother then why he never stopped her?? XF consent is irrelevant unless he is in his right conscience mind to stand up against the Injustice towards his own brother.

6. Since XF and JM are leads that's why all the confrontation scene between XF, RY and JM was about where RY went wrong not about what they did wrong. And the one where RY mentioned to Moon Immortal, how he was aware of all that happening with him but never helped him but i have never seen anyone talking about it bcoz RY isn't important. JM knows that XF actually commited suicide for her but not that RY saved her life, she calls RY a manipulator but not XF ??




Its a very basic human nature when u say sorry or making it up to someone its by your actions not just words bcoz words are meaningless unless u actually do what u say. XF did feel bad for RY but he isn't someone who will go beyond his limit to help or support RY unlike in the case of JM and other.
one more important point that XF has always called RY as RY or Night Immortal throughout the entire show but somehow in the last ep he called him Brother, which sort of implies that he actually never regarded him as a brother before.

I agree with what u said about the basic foundation of love and the most important part in their forced romance was Moon Immortal, he is damn baised and he wanted XF to fall for JM.
XF didn't fell for JM at first sight rather he bullied her like turning her into stool and then sitting over her etc. After Moon Immortal made JM wear that pretty dress, XF was mesmerized with her beauty Avatar and suddenly started to see all her gestures from a romantic angle when he was the first one to know that JM doesn't know gender difference.

Yes it's from "song of glory" have u seen it?? How did u guessed it ?? ?
I have completed it and to be honest it's a good watch like I can actually give 8/8.5.
The show started well there were few slow parts so I had to fast forward and the end of the story wasn't that great either in terms of logic but over all bcoz of good acting performance from all the actors I was able to get through it.
Hahah that video was quite good and it's true, the assassination was actually a suicidal action but it also has a reason.
That one eyed master behind this only wanted to save the FL so he can use her for the bigger picture and wanted rest of the gang dead, that's why he made sure that FL could be saved.

I completely agree with u it has happened with me that no matter whether they acknowledge or not but in the end its all RY fault for turning grey.

For me RY wasn't the only reason but I also don't consider what XF and JM has between them was love it was just infatuation.
Example, XF claims to love JM and he also spend much time with her but still he doesn't know her well neither understands her character where else RY who spend less time knows her better.
And the most important thing in love is trust, neither JM trusts XF not XF trusts JM.

Recently I watched a show in which the FL believed that the ML( king) is incapable and unworthy of being a kind bcoz of which people are suffering and he needs to die. Somehow she managed to have a marriage agreement with the ML and decided to assassinate him during the wedding night
But then she met the ML with different identity and they both fell in love.
She got married to him without knowing that he is the same person whom she love and stabbed him though she realised it but it was too late as the knife was heavily poisoned.
But the ML still managed to stand up for few days in order to protect the FL otherwise she would have been killed along with her family. While many plotters were trying to make him fall so they can blame the FL.

And the 2nd time when FL family members were killed, someone plotted to show the evidence against the ML however the FL trusted him.

No I didn't, it's very simple that I can't respect characters like XF and JM.

It is sin to commit injustice,but it is a greater sin to tolerate injustice" holds true...that is if one continues to tolerate the injustice being done now, then it gives the offenders the courage to continue with their sins...and there shall be no end to it. And those who partakes into it or never stood up for it are even worse so, if in future some kind of injustice is done towards them then they don't possess the right to complain either.

Yes u r right no point in arguing bcoz u can only complain about what I said instead why don't u make a normal comments mentioning that no one is allowed to call any character in a bad way like they call RY rapist, molester, despicable etc ...if u want to voice ur opinion then it should be in a unbiased manner, don't u think so ?? Otherwise don't say u r neutral.

I guess as long as there is a love triangle u do feel bad for 2nd lead but we know the end game will be the main couple so it doesn't matters much. However in ashes of love more than that I feel bad about the Injustice done towards RY and no one wants to consider that they are also responsible for it bcoz not only empress and emperor was at fault for doing that to RY but also those who have power to stand up but didn't.
So many keep mentioning that XF really cares and respect RY and every time my answer was just like urs that no matter what RY will never be XF's priority and he will never go out of his way to help RY.
I really feel perception is such a funny thing, may like XF and JM bcoz they are the leads and played by famous artists, there are people who likes XF and JM bcoz they read the novel. Sometimes I also wonder, how can people like JM falling in love with her own rapist ?? It's so gross.. same I haven't read but many told me that in novel XF actually drowned JM out of rage as she signed the marriage contract with RY and just after that he raped her while JM didn't have any idea about sex.

I completely agree if u publicize rape in the name of love then what kind of impression it will have on the audience ( specially a guy).

I mentioned in one of my comments that I m fine with flawed character bcoz they feels more realistic but I m not fine with immoral characters like XF and JM bcoz they r cheap and I can't respect them.

I also don't care about JM and XF ending up with each other however what I didn't like the way they pushed all the blame on RY and cleaned themself neither they ever actually apologized to RY.
All the confrontation scenes was just about where RY went wrong, manipulative etc but there was no confrontation scenes where XF and JM actually saw what they did to RY.
Though they tried to make audience understand with RY back story but it was useless unless the leads accepted that they were wrong too.
See when RY confronted Moon immortal about how he knew everything but never actually stood up for RY, his expression were like ...? I don't know

When did I called them with Names ?? Did I changed XF or JM name into anything.?? What I said is about the character and I cleared that already. And btw I didn't insult them, they insulted themself.

U should ask urself does XF has the guts to stand against his own mom ?? Will he be willingly going to help RY then why he didn't did that for almost thousands of years ???
And I don't blame XF for his parents actions but XF could have been different then his parents by actually being sincere toward RY rather than taking it casually so, I blame XF for his own actions. If XF was really sorry for RY then he should have let him happy instead of telling him to give up on the last piece of his happiness.
Yes I know RY fixing JM pill was out of despair, he thought it would turn JM back to the way she was before going to mortal trial which it didn't.
And one more point is that for XF, RY was never his priority he might do few things but will never go out of his way to do anything for RY unlike in case of JM and his own mom.


Let's be real here, if RY wasn't abducted by the empress then instead of RY it would have been XF who would be engaged to JM and RY living happily somewhere else. RY waited for someone who never existed but the one he liked turned out to be his own fiance that's called destiny, nobody manipulated anyone here it was just his fate but it was taken away by XF due to his selfishness.
I can't say anything about what JM mom did to JM but I do know as a parent she wanted to keep JM safe.

Yes XF did pursue JM even after she accepted her engagement all bcoz Moon Immortal told him not to give up easily on her. If XF was really worried about JM then why he had the time to ask Moon Immortal to tie him up with JM ?? He could have gone to Mortal Realm directly as immortal to keep an eye on JM but why he needed to go there as a mortal ???This is so illogical, he deprived himself from any kind of power to help JM and also endangered her life. Just take SH as an example she went to mortal realm and made proper arrangements so she can know why she is here.

Ohh come on it's like u don't want to see why he did that ...then watch that ep again, empress told XF about the engagement date being fixed and XF did called JM deliberately so he can have sex with her and as for the fact JM came to RY before the day she attended Moon Immortal's bday party and she knew about RY mom so, isn't obvious that XF must have know also.
However, instead of being there for RY in his hard times they really stooped very low and also XF did asked Moon Immortal to know more about RY mom after doing all that with JM. So u can do all that to ur own sibling and friend, does this make u feel so upright in the name of love ???
A normal human will show the respect towards RY by being there with him becoming a support pillar as a brother and as a future finance but instead they were just about themselves and neither only they disrespected RY but also the situation he was in.


For me hooking up behind ur brother's back with ur sister in law while your brother is mourning for his mother was cheap and disgusting.
They not only lowered the meaning of love but also the meaning of brother and friend.

Hehehe

I really wished I could drop too bcoz even after completing the show for so long, I can't forget how mean and selfish everyone was towards RY.

XF was never a good brother, he watched RY suffering for so long and when finally RY had some happiness XF took it away from it.
JM wasn't in love with anyone before mortal trial but XF manipulated her fate during mortal trial with the help of Moon Immortal who is a fate diety of mortal realm and can manipulate fate of mortal realm couples.
But still JM is blind towards the manipulation XF did however she blamed RY for saving his marriage engagement.

And I completely agree what u said, I was also disgusted with hook up part it was cheap of them. RY was suffering and he almost got killed by the empress but instead of being there for him, they hooked up behind his back and that too when RY was in mourning period. They never really apologized to RY instead blamed him for everything. Also, if u see that scene, XF deliberately made JM drink that wine and with the look in his eyes u can actually see he was planning to do that.

The thing between XF and JM can never be called as love it's lust.
I can't respect JM and XF. How funny XF stooped so low to make JM fall for him isn't obsession neither JM Maniac behaviour about XF is obsession but RY's love for JM is obsession.

So it's just that u don't like RY that's why u don't care.
So u r allowed to hate someone but I m not..

First things before mortal trial JM doesn't love anyone and RY even proved that infront of chief floral, XF and JM that the love JM feels is same for everyone. And for the fact when JM herself isn't sure about who she loves neither can't express it then how in the world RY supposed to know
What right does XF has to pursue JM when she already accepted her engagement with RY, isn't that XF's obsession towards JM bcoz he can't take the fact that she denied his advances.
Then during the Mortal trial XF asked moon to tie him up with JM which manipulated her fate bcoz he knew very well that moon Immortal is the fate deity of Mortal Realm and is responsible for the marriage and love of mortal realm couples.
Isn't that crossing ur limits in order to manipulate JM into loving him and more over going to Mortal Realm will make him forget everything about why he did that then what's the use.
When the chances of saving JM as a immortal is more.

They came from mortal realm and attended moon's bday party when someone close to RY died and RY almost died twice ...and they even hooked up behind his back it's that cheap. 1st having sex behind RY's back when JM is still engaged and 2nd when RY is mourning for his mother, why they couldn't wait to have sex ???or they it was just to make sure that XF can turn things in his favour bcoz with the look in his eyes he did called JM intentionally...if that isn't cheap and disgusting enough for u then I can tell u more ....
After that night XF visited RY telling him to forgive empress for what she did to him and he will make it up to RY, by what means will he make it up now ??? Having sex with RY's finance or what else and then he still have the guts to tell RY to give up on JM and he will give him the throne.
So practically everything and everyone belongs to XF and only he has the final say to as what RY can have or can't.
When XF is pretty well aware of the fact how his mom treated RY in all these years and how he watched it from the sidelines as a spineless person but have the guts to threaten his own mom for the sake of a girl ....slow claps...
XF can go over the board for a girl but not for his brother who suffers bcoz of his own mom, did RY begged empress to bring him to heaven ? Why empress fed him that memory forgetting elixir ?? What right do they have to make someone's life a living hell and making him suffer for long??? How inhuman not only those who did it but including those too who watched it.

If u don't remember much about the show then how will u keep ur point ...
Half knowledge is worse than having no knowledge ..

RY Rebelled so he can make Heaven a better place and it wasn't for JM alone but for the people who suffers bcoz of those lunatics empress and emperor.
For the fact someone who is a Chinese mentioned in Yt that RY only made the emperor loose his powers but when XF was killed, the emperor choose to sacrifice his life on order to protect XF' soul. And for the empress he only made her realised what kind of a person she was and what has she done with other, so he didn't killed them it's the end they picked.
And if u see the ep clearly RY was also shocked when JM killed XF and moreover he didn't held JM's hand when she stabbed XF.
In ep 58 JM blamed RY being for planning this whole thing from the day she accidentally used frost thing in front of him and in ep63 XF blaming RY for doing all this.

I really don't understand how just obsessing over love can be considered as growing up?? If this is called character development then even the trees grew up better than Main leads, atleast they can provide shelter and air to everyone.
I used to think growing up means Wisdom, where u know there are times u have to make a wise decision rather than just satisfying ur ego or desire, when u consider the benifit of mass by using ur powers and status to bring some difference for betterment of people.

Having a flawed character is still acceptable as long as it can be justified.
however characters like XF and JM who can stoop so low in the name of love while claiming to be innocent that's even worse ...
What I said about them is based on their actions and character development.
I didn't see ur comment when many called RY as obsessive, mass murderer, evil, same as his father etc etc
I can't beat around the bush so i said what I feel whenever I see them.
What XF and JM did to RY was just too low of them and instead of apologizing they pushed all the blame onto him neither they every genuinely felt guilty toward RY.

Just like in Goodbye My Princess, I don't despise the ML lead bcoz I understand LCY and his reasons however i knew after what he did with Xiaofeng there is no way she will live with him.

Yes I agree, characters like these are better developed and it will make u relate to them.
However they suffer not only bcoz of the greed of someone other party but also due to the betrayal by their loved ones or whom they trust. But I still prefer them compared to the not so innocent leads.

U got that right ...XF is just as despicable and DISGUSTING like his FATHER ?
There are times u hate someone but I don't hate him instead whenever I see XF and JM I feel so disgusted ...such lousy and puke-worthy characters they are.
U don't need enemies when u have a family and friends like these ....

I watched it 2wice just after completing it ?? that show is a "Masterpiece" totally out of the box idea and execution ...

Yeah I know and it's weird that XF never realised it that too when he claims to love her but he doesn't know anything about her. JM was supposed to be that way since she was kept inside that water prison but what I don't get is that 4000 yrs is a very long time and she didn't learn a single thing is just a bit lame even if she is deprived of many things but she did used to study with other kids and she could adapt with many things just by looking around. Everyone balmed JM mom for giving her that pill but not the other floral immortals who didn't let her get any knowledge.

XF never fell for JM at the first but remember it was Moon immortal who saw them together when XF brought JM in the heaven realm for the first time and since then Moon immortal kept telling XF to fall in love with JM, not only that Moon immortal also made JM read all those sexual novels and wear pretty dresses in order to make her seduce XF. Also JM did kiss and hug XF out of blue and it's fine as long JM is doing with XF but I think it's not good in any way bcoz it gives out a wrong impression.
Where else RY see JM as a hope to find some love and peace bcoz JM is carefree, naive (for me which she was for 5-6 EPs only) and everyone loves her plus she isn't cunning which the very thing missing from RY life so, he thought may be with JM he can feel different and without any wall remember the scene where JM sees RY fixing her pill, hugging her and JM saying I love you as per beast dream bubbles, RY thought doing that will bring back that JM who was simple and naive. Also, RY did knew that JM don't know about love as she can not feel it but he did promised chief floral to let JM realise and make her fall for him.

I know and that's exactly the reason I feel bad for RY more bcoz he was always alone and in the end too XF told him to live in that darkness alone as repentance how cruel of XF, he couldn't suffer what happened with him even for few years but he could let his own brother suffer for eternity. I never shed even a single tear for XF and JM bcoz of their character.
I really loved that scene where RY confronted Moon immortal and told him what a hypocrite he is, he knew everything what RY was going through but he never did anything to help him, he is the very same person who helped the emperor even after knowing how he backstabbed his own brother for the sake of power.
Isn't stories r always like that where someone suffers too much but in the end he/she did get the happiness they deserves but here it's totally opposite.
I remember a quote :
"The worst thing in the world isn't being alone, it's being surrounded by people that makes you feel like you're alone".

I will suggest you should try The Untamed if u haven't, it's a very complex and realistic story and u won't be able to hate anyone. Also, it has the lead just like RY who suffered bcoz of someone else's Greed but the only difference is that he had people who loves him selflessly and they are powerful enough to support him and fight for him.

I totally agree with u in this, RY is some kind of dumping ground where they can throw any kind of blame on him as they pleases ..
I honestly feel bad for RY bcoz even in the end JM, Moon immortal and XF blamed him about how wrong and bad he is bit it's weird that they never confronted themselves for how much wrong and spineless things they have done towards RY ....
Demon princess was ready to wage war for XF's right thus helped her father's enemy who had evil intension but who is blamed for the war ?? Ofc RY ..just for the sake of her frndship Demon princess wanted to have such a big war but so far what have XF done as a brother for RY ?? Taking away his last piece of happiness is the way of saying sorry or making up to him.

If they have showed that JM, XF and Moon immortal accepted their wrong doings and that they r not so innocent as they claim to be then I won't even care about their story since they accepted they were wrong too.
Just bcoz they r leads doesn't mean they r always right ...

I hate moon immortal the most he used his powers of fate deity in order to make XF and JM a couple during mortal realm trial , and XF for asking moon immortal to tie him up with JM ... Even after so much manipulation JM thinks she chose XF out of her own free will. What's more weird and illogical is that JM never tried to find out about why she had that pill and how come she fell in love, JM is so self centred that everything is just about her and her wishes, no matter what atleast she was happy and received so much love from everyone around her but for RY their was no happiness to begin with neither anyone genuinely loved him and also he is not even suppose to have any wishes that's why he got engaged without his consent and then it got broke-up without his consent.

Same here ?? I don't like them at all ...they look like villains to me.
I liked RY character better and I was able to complete the show only bcoz of him. Thought of dropping it after 35/36 bcoz I knew being a 2nd lead RY won't get a good ending but then a saw a comment about RY, he is the one who killed Water and Wind immortal so I had to watch in order to know but it was a bullshit lie ...
Pretty weird JM thought that she chose XF out of her own free will but it was a big lie ?? she was manipulated by Moon Immortal and XF by changing her fate all together in order to make things work out between them and they call RY a manipulator ...? PJ ?