Paulina Kowalska

I love how writers have managed Kinnporsche the series so far. You can deeply understand characters' behaviour even if you disagree with it. This series is full of the feelings, emotions, which are not something simple, they're complicated, sometimes cannot be even named. Feelings cannot be always understand, they may hurt us or even take control. And they are not the same. Every person interprets their feelings differently, they see things differently, because their lives are different. And I love how Kinnporsche the series portays it. It's really beautifull to be honest.

Nothing here is white or black, people are full of gray colors.

thank you for saying that. I'm tired with people arguing about if it was SA or not, can we just focus on characters' feelings instead? Isn't their point of view more important than ours???

I think that Porsche felt used by Kinn, but he wasn't unconcious when that scene happened, he remembers it, he remembers the feelings he had back then, he did enjoy that. People find it as a rape because he was drugged and Kinn was not and they're not paying attention to characters' feelings at all. And it's all about the feelings. Porsche started to like Kinn when he remembered about the kiss at the pier and drugs made these feelings stronger, so he teased Kinn. Was it okay that they did it? No. because drugged Porsche wasn't at the right state of mind, so yeah I think he is mad about it at Kinn but he also likes him so he's more confused about it, maybe he treats it more like a drunk sex? Idk, but I don't think that he is okay with what happened, even if he enjoyed that, he still feels uneasy about that, that's why he wanted to stay alone. And Kinn really treated him very bad in this episode, I hope they will have a serious talk about it in the next episode like they did in the novel. Kinn has to admit that what he did to him was wrong.

That's why I prefer the series than the novel, it's much better

I understand you and I respect your decision. I had similar thoughts when I read the novel, but I decided to continue it because of Porsche and here I will do the same but not only because of him. I disagree with some points you mentioned, but I don't want to argue, so I'll just respect that.

You can just watch the censored version

I understand you. I'm not 100% okay with this scene since Porsche was indeed drugged but I don't find this as a rape either. I just wanted to point that if his urge to tease and flirt with Kinn was only caused by drugs then why the hell would he behave like that? Why while being in this state, he thought about that kiss at the pier? I also think that he started to feel something and drugs only made this feeling stronger. It's still not okay that this happened, but I'm sure Porsche was indeed able to fight back like he did with Vegas and he would fight back if he really didn't want to do anything with Kinn. But he was still influenced by drugs so we can't say that their sex was fully consensual, we will find out how he really feels about it in the next episode I guess...

Oh yes it was, because Porsche resisted Kinn as well as he did to Vegas, he didn't want to have sex with him at all, but he didn't see any other choice so he kinda agreed to it but begged Kinn to let him be a top, but Kinn didn't agree and he forced him to be a bottom, he didn't care about Porsche's objections nor that it hurts him, he just wanted to fu*k him, so he raped him. Porsche was in much worse state in the novel he was clearly turned on and wanted to have sex with someone so badly but he couldn't fight back, he just kept saying no.

Why the hell high Porsche wanted to know if Kinn likes him? Why was it so important to him??? Why did he look at him like that after they kissed and why did he called him ,,punk" and kissed him back with such a force?

You won't tell me it's all caused only by drugs, there is something serious going on here...

Ok I get this, I'm just saying if they really will punish him for it then they're stupid as hell...

Punish him for what? That he was drugged and kidnapped? It's ridiculous,then why didn't they punish him for being shot earlier?

I disagree with the 1st one, Porsche was still influenced by GHB, I can agree that the effect of the drug lessened after he threw up and he was more aware of the situation than when he was with Vegas, but I can't assume it was totally consensual. He was high and Kinn was not and that's a big problem here. I know that Kinn couldn't resist Porsche's flirts even though he tried to but he still shouldn't do this... It's indeed sexual assault. Still we don't know how Porsche feels about it nor if he completely sobered up during that scene or not, we will find out in the next episode.

I don't think that writers wanted to portray this scene as a rape. Yes Porsche was drugged, but he felt much better after throwing up and when he was with Kinn he was quite aware of what was happening. Still he was under influence of the drug, but the effect of it lessened, he still was turned on because of it (and I think because of the memory of the kiss as well) and I'm mad at Kinn that he didn't stop him and couldn't resist his crush' flirts. It's indeed sexual assault, because Porsche was not fully conscious, but it wasn't forced on him either, he didn't fight back nor resist him like he did with Vegas, so I can't call it a rape (in novel it was clearly a rape). I have lot of thoughts about this scene and even actors don't see it as a rape. It's still not okay to have sex with someone influenced by drugs or alcohol, no matter if that person enjoys it or not.

What if he will do it when Porsche starts to have deeply feelings for him? I will cry...

No, I think he thought that the drink was from him, that's why he looked at him before drinking it.

I have some theories:
1. It may be some kind of training to teach him how to resist similar situations in the future
2. It may be some kind of punishment for making troubles again (from their point of view of course...)
3. Maybe they will get jealous of how he's treated by their boss and would want to teach him a lesson...
4. Maybe they will somehow find out what he did with Kinn and they will bully him

I'm not 100% okay with this scene nor fully against it. I still think it's better from the novel, they had to put this scene in the series and they made it the least violent as they could. I'm actually happy that it wasn't forced (but it still is a sexual assault because Porsche was drugged even though he started it and all), but I'm still mad at Kinn that he at the end couldn't resist. But to be honest I feel sorry for him as well...I feel like he'll blame himself for it, because he really likes Porsche and all... I'm really scared about Porsche's reaction in the next episode, I don't want to see him suffer... But I know he will... Maybe it won't be that heartbreaking like it was in the novel, but still... I wanna cry

Oh great, Be on cloud confirmed that Porsche was drugged with GHB, which may increase urge to have sex... Still I think that throwing up helped him to lessen its effect and he was more aware of the situation than he was before, and I still think that the main factor was the kiss which with drugs resulted into sex. It's still not good that it actually happened... Kinn failed badly...

In the novel he's one year older than Porsche, so he's 24 ( In the novel Porsche is 21 and Kinn 22)

exactly, and that's why I feel so sorry for him, I'm really scared about what will happen next episode when he wakes up :'((((