Gye boon ok, she is my favorite character. which is so weird I know but every time she comes on screen I just…
I agree.
They don't try to understand her. Like young ro giving boon ok rice cakes, and not understanding why boon ok wanted a romeo and Juliet book, is just a sample how no one really understands boon Oks character.
The show vilifies the ANSP as an organization that frames innocents to attain their goals.
Isn't the dorm vilifying Boon Ok, even though she is innocent, the same exact thing as what the ANSP is doing? And in fact the scene where they are convincing Ms. Oh that she is the spy, is this any different than what the ANSP are doing?
I think this brings up the interesting topic that even our heroes in the story, Soo Ho ang Kang Moo are doing the exact same thing they are accusing their enemies of doing. The only difference is that they are the good guys, and so it's either rationalized or ignored.
It brings up an interesting debate on objectivism. Three large men carrying a small girl against her will, in any other situation is seen as harassment and a women's right issue.
But if that woman is Boon Ok, and a vilified character, then everyone is ok with it.
like i get it was meant to invoke further sympathy for her character , but the part when boon ok was going off…
Boon Ok has been consistent in this. Actually what Young Ro and Boon Ok are doing is no different if you look at it deeply.
Young Ro in her characterization is acting the victim, she feels everything is her fault, and she's willing to martyr for it. She is acting a victim and is self inflicting her own pain and suffering. Nobody is asking her to act like a victim, as an act of noble idiocy, she is just taking it all upon herself when there is no need to.
There is that bit of arrogance in Young Ro's characterization that she feels that everything that is wrong can be solved by her. She whispering to Soo Ho, "I am the daughter of ANSP director", or "let them all go, just take me". It shows us, she has an elevated opinion on her self worth, but in reality, the political schemes are MUCH MUCH bigger than just her, and to the politicians in SK, she is just another casualty, that maybe has a slightly more important death than the other hostages. She has even convinced herself that her brother's death is on her.
Boon Ok in her characterization is also acting the victim, she feels that everything that is happening is not her fault. And to drive this point home, the writer has shown several times that Boon Ok has been quick to be suspected and blamed for literally every negative thing that has been happening in the story as now. In reality, Boon Ok is alone, no one is on her side, so she knows all she can do is defend herself, there is nary a voice that will side with her, and it's shown again and again, she is an island in the dorm. Young Ro on the other hand, has a plethora of friends and allies who will defend her mistakes. It's a big difference we see between these two girls.
When Boon Ok stood up and wanted to go to her dorm, everyone, including Ms. Pi just assumed that by doing so, it is like Boon Ok admitting she is the mole, but in reality, I know what Boon Ok is thinking. She knows the money is there, and she correctly assumed that if Kang Moo sees it, he will assume she is the mole, she was tired of being blamed, which is exactly what Kang Moo does.
We as the viewers, know what the money is for, so we know her side, but everyone else doesn't and quickly just blames her. I was glad that Cheong Ya called out Kang Moo's idiocy.
Her defence of herself, makes perfect sense and is a question we should be asking ourselves as well. It reminds the viewers that, really if there is someone to be blamed it should be Soo Ho and Young Ro for the situation even happening. All that his happening, the number of hostages that are caught in the middle is because of their love. If they had done a forbidden romance outside the dorm, the lives of the hostages didn't need to be put in danger. Is what Boon OK said untrue?
Just like Young Ro, Boon Ok is playing the victim card. She's asking people to pity her, but no one has pitied her since Ep. 1. Which makes her character all the more tragic that when even the audience do not pity her.
For me, having watched many western shows with morally grey characters, I find Boon Ok, the most relatable character, and thus the easiest to sympathize with. I find her character grey, and more complex than most of the characters in the show. Is Boon OK's reason for wanting to live any more selfish than everyone else's reasons? In fact, I could argue, her reasoning to live is more nobler than other characters, who is shown to be purely selfish.
I initially thought there would be some more complex characterization with Lim Ji Rok and Eun Chang Su, kind of disappointed to see them both become Final Boss in Ep. 12.
I still don't think the drama is draggy like some say i mean i can't think of another way for the characters to…
You see, the drama wanted to showcase the relationship between the parents and their children, without actually showcasing it.
To be successful in this regard you need to show a lot of character development, so that when the tragic betrayals later manifest itself, it would hit much harder.
But honestly, Jung Hae In is a great crier, but it didn't emotionally hit me. I didn't understand or get his relationship with his dad, I am sure they will show more flashbacks later to fix this. The emotional scenes just have this disconnect with what they are trying to portray.
I just skip all the draggy parts, so basically all the parts that are meant as satire like the wives, the tom foolery in the dorm and such. I'm mostly focusing on the main leads scenes, and just skipping through the bloated plot lines. It has help me enjoy the show better when I do it this way.
I then read the comment sections to see if I missed anything, but so far as I suspect, the parts I skipped are unimportant
I don't think Ms. Oh is the North Korean mole spy though. Why would she want to spy for the North and go back…
it's most likely a red herring. Kim Mandong is probably the only other significant other suspect. If it's one of the students we rarely see, there would be no impact at al.
But regardless if its him or not, it's too late in the story to be of any significance.
In my opinion it's a bit slow paced I feel like it would've been as a 12 episode drama rather than 16
I was not really expecting the romance part and I am ok it not being there.
I thought there would be more tension or suspense. But that hasn't been present so much.
I watch a lot of political shows, and so I have to say the political wheeling and dealing is the weakest part of the show so far. And probably the part that makes the least sense.
As a black comedy I feel it's forced.
All in all, it's not a boring drama, but certainly longer in parts it should not be. If they remove the politics part and concentrated more on the characters, I would rate it a 9.
But as it stands now, it's hovering between an 8 to 8.5.
It has quite a few things good going for it. I do enjoy the acting of certain characters, but i feel the writers insistence on the political satire aspect is the biggest anchor on the show.
They don't try to understand her. Like young ro giving boon ok rice cakes, and not understanding why boon ok wanted a romeo and Juliet book, is just a sample how no one really understands boon Oks character.
The show vilifies the ANSP as an organization that frames innocents to attain their goals.
Isn't the dorm vilifying Boon Ok, even though she is innocent, the same exact thing as what the ANSP is doing? And in fact the scene where they are convincing Ms. Oh that she is the spy, is this any different than what the ANSP are doing?
I think this brings up the interesting topic that even our heroes in the story, Soo Ho ang Kang Moo are doing the exact same thing they are accusing their enemies of doing. The only difference is that they are the good guys, and so it's either rationalized or ignored.
It brings up an interesting debate on objectivism. Three large men carrying a small girl against her will, in any other situation is seen as harassment and a women's right issue.
But if that woman is Boon Ok, and a vilified character, then everyone is ok with it.
Young Ro in her characterization is acting the victim, she feels everything is her fault, and she's willing to martyr for it. She is acting a victim and is self inflicting her own pain and suffering. Nobody is asking her to act like a victim, as an act of noble idiocy, she is just taking it all upon herself when there is no need to.
There is that bit of arrogance in Young Ro's characterization that she feels that everything that is wrong can be solved by her. She whispering to Soo Ho, "I am the daughter of ANSP director", or "let them all go, just take me". It shows us, she has an elevated opinion on her self worth, but in reality, the political schemes are MUCH MUCH bigger than just her, and to the politicians in SK, she is just another casualty, that maybe has a slightly more important death than the other hostages. She has even convinced herself that her brother's death is on her.
Boon Ok in her characterization is also acting the victim, she feels that everything that is happening is not her fault. And to drive this point home, the writer has shown several times that Boon Ok has been quick to be suspected and blamed for literally every negative thing that has been happening in the story as now. In reality, Boon Ok is alone, no one is on her side, so she knows all she can do is defend herself, there is nary a voice that will side with her, and it's shown again and again, she is an island in the dorm. Young Ro on the other hand, has a plethora of friends and allies who will defend her mistakes. It's a big difference we see between these two girls.
When Boon Ok stood up and wanted to go to her dorm, everyone, including Ms. Pi just assumed that by doing so, it is like Boon Ok admitting she is the mole, but in reality, I know what Boon Ok is thinking. She knows the money is there, and she correctly assumed that if Kang Moo sees it, he will assume she is the mole, she was tired of being blamed, which is exactly what Kang Moo does.
We as the viewers, know what the money is for, so we know her side, but everyone else doesn't and quickly just blames her. I was glad that Cheong Ya called out Kang Moo's idiocy.
Her defence of herself, makes perfect sense and is a question we should be asking ourselves as well. It reminds the viewers that, really if there is someone to be blamed it should be Soo Ho and Young Ro for the situation even happening. All that his happening, the number of hostages that are caught in the middle is because of their love. If they had done a forbidden romance outside the dorm, the lives of the hostages didn't need to be put in danger. Is what Boon OK said untrue?
Just like Young Ro, Boon Ok is playing the victim card. She's asking people to pity her, but no one has pitied her since Ep. 1. Which makes her character all the more tragic that when even the audience do not pity her.
For me, having watched many western shows with morally grey characters, I find Boon Ok, the most relatable character, and thus the easiest to sympathize with. I find her character grey, and more complex than most of the characters in the show. Is Boon OK's reason for wanting to live any more selfish than everyone else's reasons? In fact, I could argue, her reasoning to live is more nobler than other characters, who is shown to be purely selfish.
To be successful in this regard you need to show a lot of character development, so that when the tragic betrayals later manifest itself, it would hit much harder.
But honestly, Jung Hae In is a great crier, but it didn't emotionally hit me. I didn't understand or get his relationship with his dad, I am sure they will show more flashbacks later to fix this. The emotional scenes just have this disconnect with what they are trying to portray.
I just skip all the draggy parts, so basically all the parts that are meant as satire like the wives, the tom foolery in the dorm and such. I'm mostly focusing on the main leads scenes, and just skipping through the bloated plot lines. It has help me enjoy the show better when I do it this way.
I then read the comment sections to see if I missed anything, but so far as I suspect, the parts I skipped are unimportant
But regardless if its him or not, it's too late in the story to be of any significance.
In snowdrop, the dad's don't really dislike each other. So yeah... That was a big part of romeo and Juliet.
Eun Chang Su: No need for that, the episode is about to end, and we need a cliffhanger....
Young Ro: let me have some plot armor please.
Even with limited screen time in Ep. 12 she managed to have the most memorable scene!
Yoon in na excellent in EP..12
I thought there would be more tension or suspense. But that hasn't been present so much.
I watch a lot of political shows, and so I have to say the political wheeling and dealing is the weakest part of the show so far. And probably the part that makes the least sense.
As a black comedy I feel it's forced.
All in all, it's not a boring drama, but certainly longer in parts it should not be. If they remove the politics part and concentrated more on the characters, I would rate it a 9.
But as it stands now, it's hovering between an 8 to 8.5.
It has quite a few things good going for it. I do enjoy the acting of certain characters, but i feel the writers insistence on the political satire aspect is the biggest anchor on the show.
I feel a money heist type of plot would benefit from a shorter run time and lesser episodes.
I suspect the longer episodes was to make room for the political plot and to emphasize the satire of the drama.
But unfortunately since most people disliked the politics outside the dorm and clamored for more romance, the show is dragging in several parts.