absurd

Exactly! Just get her a teacher, she is not an idiot, she can learn to be proper when she needs to. Mom talks so much about not teaching her... well you've been back for so long now, what gives?
And if it's LBY she's so afraid of, there are other ways to refuse that don't involve humiliating her daughter. If they are exiled and stripped of titles no one in Cheng family will be able to marry.

Then mom should hire someone to teach her. That's really not an excuse. Either get off her case or do something about it, all this public humiliation about how "our daughter wasn't taught properly" is getting annoying. At this point mom is the one embarrassing herself

Mom is very extreme, especially with how everyone tries to excuse her behavior as "her way of showing love". If this is love, what happens to people she hates? If she was even a little less... cruel, it would have worked, but at this point, there's just no excuse.

Wtf does her mom want? To live her life for her? She's right, when there was Lou Yao mom was like "but LBY, though". Now there's LBY and here we go again. That scene at the palace was awful, what mother would insult her daughter like that even in front of the Emperor. I thought she was getting better, but nope, that was way worse than anything that happened before. And all her reasoning afterwards and dad making excuses... I can't with them. Is this "Abuse your kid 101" or something?

You're right, she won't listen and won't behave in general, but if she has the knowledge how to behave, she can at last not embarrass herself. Though, imho, mom was the one embarrassing herself this time.

It matters because her mother is constantly insulting her and acting all embarrassed on her behalf, because "she hasn't been taught well", but doesn't actually do anything to mitigate it except berating her in public. Sure, we know all is going to be well and Emperor won't be offended, but the sheer hypocrisy is annoying.

I'm just wondering. Everyone is crying about Shaoshang's bad manners. Her parents have been back several months. Why don't they teach her how to act properly? Like I get it, that she won't, in general, follow the etiquette, but if she has the knowledge she can at last pretend to be proper when it's necessary. Like... in front of the Emperor.

Yeah, if the story works for you, then you definitely should watch. I, personally, can deal with cheap production if the story and acting is good. IS type of drama are just not my thing, I prefer either mindless action, a well thought out twisted plot or realistic down to earth romance. For flowy cutesy xianxia I need to reeeaaly like the actors. Lol

I haven't watched IS (my comment was in general about Youku production, judging by their other dramas I've tried to watch. Dropped all of them, btw) and after all the comments here and the snippets I've seen, I probably won't. It looked like another cutesy FL, domineering ML in flowy costumes kind of bs, with no actual plot involved. But I could not even get through the first episode of TWB, everything was so garish and ridiculous.

Yeah, and if Tencent can get the budget they usually spend it well. LLTG is a good example, they had big names, so they got the money and the quality shows. Youku goes: we have Dilireba, fans will watch anyway, who cares

Actors and actresses are rarely a problem, unless they're just hiring idols with no experience, but that's rare these days. Youku's production though... blegh. Tencent at last makes an effort, when they can get big budget they go all out (most of the time). Youku's dramas are just soooo bad: screenwriting, costumes, cgi. Everything that you listed, actors can't save it for me, when it's so cheap and lazy

Considering how cheap Youku usually is that's not that big of an endorsement

Youku's cheap, they get even worse when they have big names or big IP, they just stop making any effor, because "fans will watch anyway"

TBH, I am yet to see a good Youku drama, so I'm kind of reluctant to watch Immortal samsara, even for Yang Zi

There are 5 episodes left. 27 total, aired 22

They are not like siblings, but nothing actually happens until the very end and even that is barely there. This is not a romance drama, friendship and action are the main focus

Look, I'm not sure why you are using YS explanation as an argument here. I've seen the episodes, I heard his reasoning and I stated above why I think it's BS reasoning. So unless you have other reasons, I think we better leave it at agree to disagree :)

General He didn't have all the facts when he made his wish. And it was obvious during their discussion that no one would think bad about Emperor if he doesn't go along with it. General wanted his daughter taken care of, not dreaming of her becoming Lady Lou

Well, I mean, we knew it will go down, but still. Tbh, Lou Yao will get over it and we all know Shaoshang will get over it. He Zhaojun, I feel bad for. After everything she's been through, she now has to go through this humiliation of a marriage too. The only thing that gives me hope is that: she seem tougher now, she just beheaded a man, Lou family might be biting more than they can chew LOL

That's because she's too kind and self-sacrificing. And he's a mumble-boy, srsly, Lou Yao needs army training, not a wife, may then he'll grow up.