I'm reading the novel now, but since the novel describes "mountains of corpses and oceans of blood", lots of gore,…
that would be around the end of book one. that is my starting point too because I wasn't really attached to the MC on the first book since TXJ was an A grade a**hole. yet the journey from book 2 to 3 has managed to hook me and not let go, for I realized how unreliable MC is as a narrator. trust me... you are in for a wild ride. nothing is what it seems. that is all I can say.
yes, i agree with you on the grounds of separating the book from its movie counterpart. they are both different entities. but i also understand where the op is coming from. the Untamed success was because it manages to pacify both the book fans, the ones who just watched the adaptation, and also those that were not really attached to the romantic aspect of the book. i was an avid fan of MDZS book and I can say that more than 80% of its storyline follows closely the book. they can do that because the romantic aspect of the main leads can be converted easier into brotherhood. it doesn't affect the flow of the adaptation with that change. but with the Husky, which is known for its sharp knives that can make the toughest readers bleed, was mostly attributed to this shizun-disciple star-cross love. so changing it into a friendship relationship or platonic one will play a big change in the plot it was known for. i've seen already a lot of fans that are having qualms about the adaptation and i couldn't blame them. i have no doubts about the other aspect of it. the xianxia world the author built when done right by CGI will be phenomenal. knowing that Immortality is the highest budgeted bromance drama to date, it's not impossible. but the Husky is more romance-driven than MDZS ever was. that is where the problem lies. the reason also why they change shi mei to a female is because of how the romance and obsession arc is an important part of the plot. the trailer would be a deal-breaker though. a good window to judge if the book fans would love it.
I'm reading the novel now, but since the novel describes "mountains of corpses and oceans of blood", lots of gore,…
are you still in the early part of the novel? when you reach the different stages of the Husky from the ending of book one, the revelation in book three up to the Tianyin pavilion arc, you will get the op's sentiments ;)
Episode 7 in my opinion is the perfect blend of everything we've been looking for. Not a single moment I was bored nor I skip a single scene. It was jampacked with angst, a short but satisfying fluff, and a heartbreakingly beautiful & emotional performance from MewGulf.
The slow and monotonous build-up from Episode 1 was meant to happen to give birth to this episode. Everything that happened had lead us here.
This is once again proof that Fiat and the marriage issue are not the main antagonists of this series. Not even Type's boss... but what the boss represents/symbolizes in real life (the combination of homophobic people/toxic and immature superiors). The villain in this season is Tharn and Type's adult life and the problems, misconceptions, and issues it brings.
That scene in which Type finally let his stored emotion go in the arms of Tharn was iconically tied to his first-time confession to Tharn on Episode 4 SS1. The toxicity of Type's workplace and the boss has awakened his SS1 trauma once again. Gulf portrays this one breathtakingly perfect. A testimony once again that Tharn was indeed the only person that Type trusted enough to handle and understand him in his raw broken form. The only one person that wouldn't judge but comprehend and take Type's pain as his own.
We have seen how these two loved each other. To those who have followed this couple from SS1 up to this point... we know how far these two imperfect souls have come. They fight, they argue, they misunderstand each other, but at this point... in that scene, their feelings and heart became one. None was the two people who have two different opinions on a lot of issues... what remains was only TharnType against all odds.
Tharn is Type's safety pin, his home and solace, he's someone who understands him at his lowest. Honestly, in real life, it is kinda dangerous to be so dependent on your partner to the point like this, but it also so beautiful and with this couple... they make this work like magic.
Actually, in this episode, Tharn and Type had solved their miscommunication issue since Episode 1. Because for the first time, Tharn finally steps in and really invested himself into knowing Type's entire work problem, and Type, on the other hand, broke down his walls once again and show to Tharn his most vulnerable. Only Tharn can make him pour everything. He's in pain and at his patience's end, and Tharn is the one who can calm him.
People kept on complaining on why Type opened up to almost everyone but not Tharn. Because in reality, Type didn't. When he talked with Fiat, he was giving vague details and even make it sound educational for he sees him as a kid. On the other hand, he told crumbs on Techno and his friends, in a bit of an angry kind of manner which he usually does for it his second nature with them. But the 'real' open up only happens in Episode 7. In Tharn's arms. This is Type who had let go his entire piled up resentment, anger, frustration and fear. It was all for Tharn's eyes only.
As long as Tharn is at Type's side, he can withstand everything. He is ready to face the challenges of this adult life and assures Tharn that he doesn't want to escape anymore. Type's explanation to Tharn on why he doesn't want to quit even knowing Tharn would support him no matter what was so close to reality. There are times that we try to escape from something we fear on facing heads on and it leads to someone we love being hurt. And this season shows us these issues that really hit close to home.
But what really amazed me is Type's phenomenal growth. It was really something when a character changed for the better... but when a character still managed to retain a lot of his traits yet became completely opposite of what he was in the past... that's an impressive multi faceted person.
When Type punches the boss, it was also mirroring real life. We always can take others badmouthing us but when they go overboard and touch people we love so much (partner, parents, family), that's when we draw the line and snaps. It's not advisable to go into physical altercation but Type's response to the insult throws at Tharn was as real as it can be. It was Type's last straw and we take immense satisfaction with that punch. It felt like we have also punched the representation of that boss in our life.
Yet that's not all there is. It was not only the insult thrown at Tharn that finally push Type to his breaking point. Tharn's two weeks absence shakes the crumbling foundation inside Type. When he said to Tharn that 'He can withstand anything because of Tharn' it was a foreshadowing to the next scene. So do Tharn's constant and almost redundant 'I'll always be by your side'.
Season 2 Type was very different from his past SS1 version, but there is still one thing that remains exactly the same: Without Tharn... Type would revert back to square one.
SS2 Ep 7 also mirrors SS1 Ep 7. We have seen how different Type is when he is not with Tharn, he goes back into the homophobic Type that ends up insulting and hurting Kom. And now in this SS2 Ep 7, just the mere thought of going home without his safety pin was enough to drive Type to finally snaps without thinking of the consequence afterward. Because his subconscious knows, Tharn (his reason for holding on) will not be there to assure him that he is not alone with his fight.
This is a strong episode and everything will go downhill from now on. So let's buckle up for the show is starting to spiral down to its climax.
Your analysis is spot-on. This is exactly what we're seeing. And I think, I hope, it's what the writer intends.…
Thank you. ? Actually, I think the prejudice and doubts about both ss1 and ss2 plot was also attributed to Mame (the author). There is a lot of negative feedback about her stories and the shallow and romanticization of rape/possessiveness others accuse her of doing. Her writings actually have flaws and far from perfect. I actually don't know her before I watched TharnType so I will not be categorizing myself as Mame warrior and I'm not here to defend her too.
No one can write a perfect story but it can be imperfectly perfect from some people's perspective. And that's how I view both SS1 and SS2 of TharnType. I don't like Mary Sue characters nor a fairytale utopia. I've loved it when I was younger, but as I matured, grey and flawed character beckons me. So do imperfect storylines featuring reality.
This show really has many layers and if you really look on the surface and take the scenes at face value then SS2 will really be a boring disappointment and SS1 will be a toxic and another BL kind of show.
It was kinda hard to sum every possible discussion for this current season, for as I look into it deeper... the story is very profound. To use the 'mundane and boring' trope to show maturity and reality is both astonishing and tricky. MewGulf's fandom consists of teenagers who mostly couldn't relate to this plot nor they care to dig deeper and analyze. So it appears not to be a good plot choice. Yet for those who look beyond face value and understand the effects of issues the show gives off, it is indeed a story to write analysis and essay about.
I just love to see how real Tharn and Type are. Tharn's desperation was really portrayed by Mew perfectly. His childish and sometimes unreasonable efforts are very relatable and at the same time makes you felt irritated too in some parts.
People who say that those who are in a long-term relationship should have already established a very good communication pattern, but in reality that's not really the case. The longer you are in a relationship... the more paranoia, doubts, and fears start to accumulate which will prevent you from really telling your thoughts to your partner.
'What if he finds me a nagger?' 'What if he gets tired of me complaining?' 'What if I can't make him feel the way he does years ago?' These questions will start to fester until both sides will have enough. No matter how strong the couple's love is... the reality of the above will take a toll and crack the relationship. This is where the reality of 'not even love could save' enters.
Both Type and Tharn are already at the end of their patience. We have seen Type lashes out and turns back into SS1 Type during the last scene in Episode 5 when he felt like he was being pressured into doing what he is not comfortable with. And Tharn's habit of brushing problems under the carpet and claiming to 'forget' the issues the next day, will soon be broke lose when enough finally becomes enough.
Fiat will be the catalyst of that big fight Tharn and Type need. Just like how San and Tar were. But this time, it's not only Type who will have the character development... so do Tharn. Tharn didn't actually have much of character growth in SS1. His trauma for breakup was never tied down completely and it continues in this season. Tharn needs to realize that trying to pretend that nothing wrong is going on and using manipulation to bury issues and problems just to avoid conflict instead of addressing it as it is... is very dangerous. That in the end, the very same tactics he's using are the very same thing that will break the relationship he has been trying so hard to warm again at the very first episode.
And the repetitive dialog that a lot of people are complaining about, felt like what the writer intends us to see. The 'I will always be by your side' dialog Tharn keeps on repeating, seems to be a foreshadowing of what was to come.
I wrote a whole darn essay again ? Anyways, we are still halfway through, whether my analysis was really correct or not will still be put to test by the next episodes.
If we will going to watch and analyze this season closely, we will be able to see that the biggest conflict here is not marriage nor Fiat... it is the mundane, boring, and monotonous adult life of Tharn and Type. That's why a lot of people feel bored watching the season because it is supposed to be that way. Tharn and Type love each other so much. No one can contest that. It's a fact sealed in a vault. That is not a problem for after what they had gone through... 7 years is not long enough to lessen that kind of love. But on the other hand, it is a really long time. That seven years might have a little conflict here and there, a misunderstanding or few... but it's not strong enough to break the consistent and monotonous relationship they already have.
Tharn and Type were growing apart and the communication problem makes it worse (they are not actually a com role models in SS1 in the first place). Not because they don't love each other as strongly as before, but their love now is placid, unmoving, and not growing anymore. It becomes stagnant as almost all long term relationships are. Type is satisfied with what they have already... not to mention he has too many things on his plate (his boss, his Dad's disapproval to Tharn), but Tharn doesn't. He felt it... the space between them is growing and we can see how childish sometimes his efforts are (the make-Type-jealous-plan) it was his way of spicing their already tepid relationship.
The first few episodes with NC scenes in which Tharn's appear to be too sexually forward... was also one of his efforts to patch some holes in their relationship. Because he knows that's when he can get Type to fully be open for him. And his rooftop surprise for Type in Ep 6 is another one of them. So do the marriage thing.
Actually, Tharn knows Type loves him. But his intense desire and drive for marriage is not just because he is afraid Type will break up with him... it is also because of fear... a way to tie the relationship that he felt was already slipping from his grasp. He fears the unknown. The unknown that might come to destroy their relationship if he can't secure it right now.
They are not college boys anymore who had that fire while fighting all obstacles to be together. They need one big fight that will shake their stable but stagnant relationship. To make Type realize that if he let this go on the way it always is... to be too complacent that nothing will go wrong again, he might let his partner pester with insecurities. This will also push Tharn into finally facing the real issue and solve it heads on instead of trying to patch things up with petty efforts while trying to play a masochist.
All the conflicts in this season were almost introduced all at the same time, little by little... until it becomes too full and it will explode with a bang. The season issues were too close to reality and that makes it boring, especially to the age group the series caters to. Reality is boring that's why we watch movies and read novels, and the young generation loves angst, tsundere tropes, and that hard-to-get kind of games. But for adults who could relate to the issues season 2 is showing, it hits close to home.
I know I'm in the minority, but I like the season. It is a slow one, less angst, mundane but quite relatable. And the characters really play them well. This is tamed compare to SS1 but what I like about TT is it never hesitate to bring up real problems that can make the characters appear flawed, imperfect and human.
yes, i agree with you on the grounds of separating the book from its movie counterpart. they are both different entities. but i also understand where the op is coming from. the Untamed success was because it manages to pacify both the book fans, the ones who just watched the adaptation, and also those that were not really attached to the romantic aspect of the book. i was an avid fan of MDZS book and I can say that more than 80% of its storyline follows closely the book. they can do that because the romantic aspect of the main leads can be converted easier into brotherhood. it doesn't affect the flow of the adaptation with that change. but with the Husky, which is known for its sharp knives that can make the toughest readers bleed, was mostly attributed to this shizun-disciple star-cross love. so changing it into a friendship relationship or platonic one will play a big change in the plot it was known for. i've seen already a lot of fans that are having qualms about the adaptation and i couldn't blame them. i have no doubts about the other aspect of it. the xianxia world the author built when done right by CGI will be phenomenal. knowing that Immortality is the highest budgeted bromance drama to date, it's not impossible. but the Husky is more romance-driven than MDZS ever was. that is where the problem lies. the reason also why they change shi mei to a female is because of how the romance and obsession arc is an important part of the plot. the trailer would be a deal-breaker though. a good window to judge if the book fans would love it.
The slow and monotonous build-up from Episode 1 was meant to happen to give birth to this episode. Everything that happened had lead us here.
This is once again proof that Fiat and the marriage issue are not the main antagonists of this series. Not even Type's boss... but what the boss represents/symbolizes in real life (the combination of homophobic people/toxic and immature superiors). The villain in this season is Tharn and Type's adult life and the problems, misconceptions, and issues it brings.
That scene in which Type finally let his stored emotion go in the arms of Tharn was iconically tied to his first-time confession to Tharn on Episode 4 SS1. The toxicity of Type's workplace and the boss has awakened his SS1 trauma once again. Gulf portrays this one breathtakingly perfect. A testimony once again that Tharn was indeed the only person that Type trusted enough to handle and understand him in his raw broken form. The only one person that wouldn't judge but comprehend and take Type's pain as his own.
We have seen how these two loved each other. To those who have followed this couple from SS1 up to this point... we know how far these two imperfect souls have come. They fight, they argue, they misunderstand each other, but at this point... in that scene, their feelings and heart became one. None was the two people who have two different opinions on a lot of issues... what remains was only TharnType against all odds.
Tharn is Type's safety pin, his home and solace, he's someone who understands him at his lowest. Honestly, in real life, it is kinda dangerous to be so dependent on your partner to the point like this, but it also so beautiful and with this couple... they make this work like magic.
Actually, in this episode, Tharn and Type had solved their miscommunication issue since Episode 1. Because for the first time, Tharn finally steps in and really invested himself into knowing Type's entire work problem, and Type, on the other hand, broke down his walls once again and show to Tharn his most vulnerable. Only Tharn can make him pour everything. He's in pain and at his patience's end, and Tharn is the one who can calm him.
People kept on complaining on why Type opened up to almost everyone but not Tharn. Because in reality, Type didn't. When he talked with Fiat, he was giving vague details and even make it sound educational for he sees him as a kid. On the other hand, he told crumbs on Techno and his friends, in a bit of an angry kind of manner which he usually does for it his second nature with them. But the 'real' open up only happens in Episode 7. In Tharn's arms. This is Type who had let go his entire piled up resentment, anger, frustration and fear. It was all for Tharn's eyes only.
As long as Tharn is at Type's side, he can withstand everything. He is ready to face the challenges of this adult life and assures Tharn that he doesn't want to escape anymore. Type's explanation to Tharn on why he doesn't want to quit even knowing Tharn would support him no matter what was so close to reality. There are times that we try to escape from something we fear on facing heads on and it leads to someone we love being hurt. And this season shows us these issues that really hit close to home.
But what really amazed me is Type's phenomenal growth. It was really something when a character changed for the better... but when a character still managed to retain a lot of his traits yet became completely opposite of what he was in the past... that's an impressive multi faceted person.
When Type punches the boss, it was also mirroring real life. We always can take others badmouthing us but when they go overboard and touch people we love so much (partner, parents, family), that's when we draw the line and snaps. It's not advisable to go into physical altercation but Type's response to the insult throws at Tharn was as real as it can be. It was Type's last straw and we take immense satisfaction with that punch. It felt like we have also punched the representation of that boss in our life.
Yet that's not all there is. It was not only the insult thrown at Tharn that finally push Type to his breaking point. Tharn's two weeks absence shakes the crumbling foundation inside Type. When he said to Tharn that 'He can withstand anything because of Tharn' it was a foreshadowing to the next scene. So do Tharn's constant and almost redundant 'I'll always be by your side'.
Season 2 Type was very different from his past SS1 version, but there is still one thing that remains exactly the same: Without Tharn... Type would revert back to square one.
SS2 Ep 7 also mirrors SS1 Ep 7. We have seen how different Type is when he is not with Tharn, he goes back into the homophobic Type that ends up insulting and hurting Kom. And now in this SS2 Ep 7, just the mere thought of going home without his safety pin was enough to drive Type to finally snaps without thinking of the consequence afterward. Because his subconscious knows, Tharn (his reason for holding on) will not be there to assure him that he is not alone with his fight.
This is a strong episode and everything will go downhill from now on. So let's buckle up for the show is starting to spiral down to its climax.
No one can write a perfect story but it can be imperfectly perfect from some people's perspective. And that's how I view both SS1 and SS2 of TharnType. I don't like Mary Sue characters nor a fairytale utopia. I've loved it when I was younger, but as I matured, grey and flawed character beckons me. So do imperfect storylines featuring reality.
This show really has many layers and if you really look on the surface and take the scenes at face value then SS2 will really be a boring disappointment and SS1 will be a toxic and another BL kind of show.
It was kinda hard to sum every possible discussion for this current season, for as I look into it deeper... the story is very profound. To use the 'mundane and boring' trope to show maturity and reality is both astonishing and tricky. MewGulf's fandom consists of teenagers who mostly couldn't relate to this plot nor they care to dig deeper and analyze. So it appears not to be a good plot choice. Yet for those who look beyond face value and understand the effects of issues the show gives off, it is indeed a story to write analysis and essay about.
I just love to see how real Tharn and Type are. Tharn's desperation was really portrayed by Mew perfectly. His childish and sometimes unreasonable efforts are very relatable and at the same time makes you felt irritated too in some parts.
People who say that those who are in a long-term relationship should have already established a very good communication pattern, but in reality that's not really the case. The longer you are in a relationship... the more paranoia, doubts, and fears start to accumulate which will prevent you from really telling your thoughts to your partner.
'What if he finds me a nagger?' 'What if he gets tired of me complaining?' 'What if I can't make him feel the way he does years ago?' These questions will start to fester until both sides will have enough. No matter how strong the couple's love is... the reality of the above will take a toll and crack the relationship. This is where the reality of 'not even love could save' enters.
Both Type and Tharn are already at the end of their patience. We have seen Type lashes out and turns back into SS1 Type during the last scene in Episode 5 when he felt like he was being pressured into doing what he is not comfortable with. And Tharn's habit of brushing problems under the carpet and claiming to 'forget' the issues the next day, will soon be broke lose when enough finally becomes enough.
Fiat will be the catalyst of that big fight Tharn and Type need. Just like how San and Tar were. But this time, it's not only Type who will have the character development... so do Tharn. Tharn didn't actually have much of character growth in SS1. His trauma for breakup was never tied down completely and it continues in this season. Tharn needs to realize that trying to pretend that nothing wrong is going on and using manipulation to bury issues and problems just to avoid conflict instead of addressing it as it is... is very dangerous. That in the end, the very same tactics he's using are the very same thing that will break the relationship he has been trying so hard to warm again at the very first episode.
And the repetitive dialog that a lot of people are complaining about, felt like what the writer intends us to see. The 'I will always be by your side' dialog Tharn keeps on repeating, seems to be a foreshadowing of what was to come.
I wrote a whole darn essay again ? Anyways, we are still halfway through, whether my analysis was really correct or not will still be put to test by the next episodes.
Tharn and Type were growing apart and the communication problem makes it worse (they are not actually a com role models in SS1 in the first place). Not because they don't love each other as strongly as before, but their love now is placid, unmoving, and not growing anymore. It becomes stagnant as almost all long term relationships are. Type is satisfied with what they have already... not to mention he has too many things on his plate (his boss, his Dad's disapproval to Tharn), but Tharn doesn't. He felt it... the space between them is growing and we can see how childish sometimes his efforts are (the make-Type-jealous-plan) it was his way of spicing their already tepid relationship.
The first few episodes with NC scenes in which Tharn's appear to be too sexually forward... was also one of his efforts to patch some holes in their relationship. Because he knows that's when he can get Type to fully be open for him. And his rooftop surprise for Type in Ep 6 is another one of them. So do the marriage thing.
Actually, Tharn knows Type loves him. But his intense desire and drive for marriage is not just because he is afraid Type will break up with him... it is also because of fear... a way to tie the relationship that he felt was already slipping from his grasp. He fears the unknown. The unknown that might come to destroy their relationship if he can't secure it right now.
They are not college boys anymore who had that fire while fighting all obstacles to be together. They need one big fight that will shake their stable but stagnant relationship. To make Type realize that if he let this go on the way it always is... to be too complacent that nothing will go wrong again, he might let his partner pester with insecurities. This will also push Tharn into finally facing the real issue and solve it heads on instead of trying to patch things up with petty efforts while trying to play a masochist.
All the conflicts in this season were almost introduced all at the same time, little by little... until it becomes too full and it will explode with a bang. The season issues were too close to reality and that makes it boring, especially to the age group the series caters to. Reality is boring that's why we watch movies and read novels, and the young generation loves angst, tsundere tropes, and that hard-to-get kind of games. But for adults who could relate to the issues season 2 is showing, it hits close to home.
I know I'm in the minority, but I like the season. It is a slow one, less angst, mundane but quite relatable. And the characters really play them well. This is tamed compare to SS1 but what I like about TT is it never hesitate to bring up real problems that can make the characters appear flawed, imperfect and human.