OniBro

Look I'm not trying to paint a black and white picture. I've stated in other comments on here that whenever I speak about all this tribalism bs that is systematically rooted in the drama community for some godforsaken reason nowadays, I speak on only for the majority of the active MDL novel/donghua users who have been commenting here. I know for sure the Douban and Chinese sites are full of trolls and ignorant assholes from both sides which I implied in other comments. I just didn't care to emphasize any of that here because it is honestly tiring having to rewrite that shit every single time I comment simply because these tribalistic minds love blanket statements and black and white thought. I do this because, well, if you're gonna preach and complain here, you're complaining to primarily MDL people, not people from Douban and etc. I check here pretty regularly to see how the drama is doing post-end and check comments. There are no comments here that actively reply to drama viewers to shut up in comparison to active drama only viewers trying to kick out critics like OP.

Major, Shao, Xien_Rue, Singularity, and Shimpy are the main source people that comment on here. There are one-offs here and there writing out their problems with the show and that's it. They never include purposely demeaning new viewers. In comparison, you guys actively reply to shut up critics and write out and bandwagon with posts wanting to kick out said critical users. So yea if u think and support the logic of throwing more shit at the problem to solve it, I don't know what to tell you. I have yet to see any people provide any substance in refuting critical points that aren't obvious like lack of rebirth which is just people not knowing censorship which everyone is always quick to clarify.

Like I always say. We'll never know what truly happened to the script and the author's inputs. With Tencent corp, Chinese censorship, airing on CCTV, an obviously more experienced screenwriter than him who is coming off from the high of JoL praise, plus Tencent already owning the license to create the drama in the first place, his say and inclusion isn't actually needed. It's just always nice to have the author's consent and say on things. However, when it comes to actual content, they have full authority to ignore him as they already have the license. And it's not like he can speak out against all the parties involved freely, it's China after all, with some of the biggest players in the scene. In comparison, he's just another author who happens to have a big IP under his belt. The moment corp has the license for said IP, he legally actually isn't needed anymore. This stuff happened to Game of Thrones, if you think it can't happen in China, you're mistaken.

Donghua follows very closely to the novel, yes. The Donghua follows the novel and will at times do certain scenes similar to the way the manhua will do it as far as I'm aware, but the story is always the same. Scenes are just executed differently at times, but the result is the same. And yes it is the same one if you're watching on the Tencent YouTube channel.

"leave the drama for us who understand what entertainment is."
Is what OP says, if they edit it out, you know why. Dems fightin words lmao.
Placing yourself on a high horse like that, jesus, the ego on you simply because you like watching dramas lmao. Not to mention an XZ profile pic to boot (or maybe they'll change their pic too who knows lol). I'm sorry you can't handle others' opinion of criticism, damn.

Not a single donghua or novel reader has outright said something to directly make drama only people feel inferior, nor was that ever an intention to begin with. Nor has anyone claimed superiority from that field. Yet, here we have someone who clearly leans more on drama-only despite claiming to watch the donghua straight up places themselves on a horse simply because they don't like seeing criticism on their drama. I'm sorry our "personal opinions" don't suit your pompous tastes. The fact they upvoted their own comment to boot, plus if I see others upvote this to either spite the source people, who btw are the only reason this drama exists in the first place and gave the opportunity for XZ to work, or in agreeance just highlights how toxic the drama community is when it comes to criticism.... or I guess just opposing opinions at this point... I swear the drama community functions like a cult nowadays, pick an idol/drama, become an echo chamber then exile and demean all others that do not wish to join...

It's going to be a massacre I tell you... And the pain is going to be exactly like this again... LOTS of Drama only viewers praising it to the sky, while we, with our critical information, are going to be far more hyper aware of its flaws even as a standalone drama unrelated to the source material... It's going to be bad... It's going to hurt....

Exactly. SH will immediately go after practically anything that involves power when given the opportunity. It's the whole reason why TH has beef with them in the first place and started this mess. So to not have a single person in SH care at all about the numerous Mutant Souls popping up across the continent in the drama is contradictory to the painting of SH being a power-hungry villain seeking to expand its influence. All in all, making them dumber. But that's not surprising to us because novel and donghua people will know that not a single aspect of the original was NOT dumbed down to a catastrophic degree.

Yes, SH doesn't even care of its existence actually. It is revealed that Bi Bi Dong knew about the drug/assassination scheme the entire time. She just didn't give a shit because she's too powerful to actually care despite her character also really caring about the progression of SH. The way they showcase her power is that they literally give her The Force from Star Wars and she starts levitating and practically choking people like that, including like 6 to 8 Titled Douluos banding together to kill her. Entire scene hits very flat as you'd expect and super anti-climatic as again, the drama fails to emphasize the power of Titled Douluos and the gap of power that comes with that title. Not to mention, the infamous, Mjoln-errr... Hao Tian Hammer display which is literally a boomerang throw that knocks her back and she just stares menacingly at TH and the scene cuts to black right there. It then transitions into TS and XW just walking down a path with TH... Ughh.. Last episode gives me shivers...

But yes, it is extremely weird that despite how much influence SH has and the main reason why Bu Le was killed in the drama anyways, that the whole of SH or at least its elders weren't alerted of the drug even with Bi Bi Dong and the schemers keeping it under wraps considering just how widespread it was.

And I just now realized that none of the new viewers know the importance of Spirit Bones, because they never ever explain it. So they have no idea how big of a deal the grand prize was. They never explain TS's Spirit Bone either, and after he gets it, he just is able to use it immediately like a pro even before his first try. It's weird they never bother to explain Spirit Bones especially after they depicted them as something super negative and detrimental to Spirit Masters in the drama (they're the exact opposite actually, it's why they're even the grand prize), but they have TS use them as his trump card. It's just contradictory in terms of the message they were trying to send about Spirit Bones. They depict them as something extremely dangerous and bad upon its first introduction, but then our ML and the grand prize being them completely contradicts that message because the writer never sook to rectify that initial message of Spirt Bones being bad. They just gloss over it because they wanted the forced drama sequence of XW saving TS after he gains the Spirt Bone. Barely anyone bats an eye at him already having a Spirit Bone either, despite Spirit Bones being the grand prize.... All this confusion if the viewer starts to think in the right places and that's only one of the many places.... All due to twisting the narrative for artificial "drama," look past the "drama" and you'll realize the world and many decisions of characters either don't make sense or are noticeably forcefully guided by the script and feels unnatural if you zoom out into the bigger picture at play.

Yea, MHJ's mutant soul was never given a definitive explanation in the novel as to how it came to be. However, with XG's explanation of Martial Spirits being inherited and thus meaning mutant souls are genetic defects in the DNA. I accepted that explanation more than the drama's drug explanation because, again, that type of drug shouldn't exist in this genre period. It just doesn't fit the theme of the world at all the more you think about it, especially since they made the drama to be more like a period in ancient china, making it even more unbelievable. Plus, considering how defects exist in modern life and then you throw in a fantasy spin to it, it's not that hard to believe or to not question it further imo so long as they emphasize the fact that it is extremely rare, which they do, unlike the drama where everyone just has a Mutant Soul.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no such Martial Soul that is a one time use like that for it is contradictory as you just explained. It is purely something that exists in the drama alone for, of course, dramatic effect... ALOT of logic, especially regarding the the power system, is thrown out the window. FYI they twist ALOT of factors of the power system to get away with things, aka plot convenience, in the drama. For example, you CANNOT be born with Soul Rings like MHJ was in the drama. You might as well be a Spirit Beast yourself at that point as even they only provide one ring upon death and he was born with 2 even before all the prior Mutant Soul Drug was given to him..... as they literally state he was born with it...

Also, the whole Mutant Soul Drug conspiracy and assassination story doesn't exist either.... It's just to form the explanation of the Mutant Souls which the screenwriter uses as a crutch to pull off a lot things that the power system doesn't allow at all from the novels, and as filler for the drama to create "drama." Mutant Souls do exist in the novels, however, they are extremely rare as you have to be born with them. Martial Souls are inherited, so it is genetic as XG explains in the novel. Mutant Souls function more like a defect rather than a power-up unlike in the drama as they tend to be either the result of some form of inbreeding or just a hiccup in your genetic code, thus, they tend to be more of a negative than positive. XG's Martial Soul was a victim of this in the novel. This also means the Mutant Soul Drug in the drama is literally altering the genetic code, DNA, of the people almost instantly, and it's constantly a power-up. So it's a sci-fi drug.... As such, this is not the sci-fi genre, it also does not exist in the novels..... So yes, to respond to your post on the ending forum, biology does exist in this world, the drama just does an extremely poor job at explaining things, or twists it completely from the source.

You can see why the vast majority of source/donghua people don't like this drama... This is also why many source people might say even to completely new viewers to the series that, the more you think about about things, the more you'll realize it doesn't make sense or you'll just find yourself in a rabbit hole of questions that'll never get answered due to lack of faith of the novel which would answer them... It's only a "nothing story" because the screenwriter didn't care to follow the novel or twisted it for his own means and doesn't care to explain the logic, all in order to create artificial "drama" to the masses that aren't going to dig deeper. There's a lot of "nothing stories" in here, you just happened upon one of them, and that is one of the many reasons why novel and donghua people are mad. The novel emphasizes very hard from the beginning that there is almost ALWAYS an explanation for everything, there are no "nothing stories." No exception, especially when we're talking about the power system and anything related to Martial Souls.

errrr, ur gonna be hella confused about characters if u think u can just pick right off from there if you haven't seen the anime since the beginning. The drama DOES NOT FOLLOW THE ANIME. It only includes a few of the many key events and that's it, everything else is completely changed, and exists only in the drama....

For example, HLN is not dead in the anime, she was killed off in the drama before the drama even began. HLN and Qian Ren Xue are NOT the same person..... and there's EVEN MORE differences...

His previous life before being known as Tang San was that of a 29 year-old orphan prodigy of a sect known as the Tang Sect. The sect was known for their hidden weapon and projectile skills so he was basically an assassin in his previous life. All the skills of the sect were basically recorded in the Xuan Tian Records.His previous life is from another world, it is not from Douluo Continent. Upon reincarnation as Tang San, he still remembers his previous life, so he's really a 29 year old since the beginning of his life in Douluo Dalu.

As another note, the Xuan Tian Records do not exist on the continent as they were from his previous life unlike the drama implies. As a prodigy, he remembers it all in his head having kept his memories. The entire rebirth plot was scrapped due to censorship. This isn't spoilers, this literally the first few minutes of ep 1 of the donghua.

I mean, that's just his script though lol. I don't blame him all that much. The screenwriter rewrote the character to be that way. Try to be a 29 year old fresh actor on the market who has to then act like a teen who seems ready to have a nervous breakdown at any moment, but then also have a personality switch to be cool, smart, and collected when the plot calls for it, and then switch back into a teen again with an even blander personality.

Also, just a forewarning if you're coming from the donghua or source. The drama only follows them like 10 to 15% accurately, and even then I think most of the source people would say that is much too high of a percent. So curb your expectations accordingly...

I'm like 6 episodes behind since I have to wait for subs, but according to everyone else, it seems like it'll end on Tang Hao's rescue in the finals and XW leaving.

Yea it is. It'll follow the source material much more faithfully as the drama is basically a standalone that deviated completely. So don't expect to see the same things there, because the drama doesn't actually follow the source material at all really tbh with you.

It's one of those things where at least she has redeeming qualities. Like you can see why she can be likeable and why she fits in the group, and why TS might like her. I mean the guy used to basically be an orphan assassin in the source material, so he probably appreciates the innocent cutesy-ness because he never got that. The whole tragic, edgy, dark past protag meets the innocent and naïve love-interest trope in a way.

It just depends if you like the whole cutesy character archetype. She still has that in the anime because she's bunny girl and all. I only stated things that the drama for some reason leaves out, which causes her to be much more one dimensional compared to her anime comparison. However as time goes by in the anime, at least to me, she really only is super cutesy/needy/clingy and all that stuff around TS because she enjoys him doting her due to both of them being orphans and him being her first love. And TS is happy to dote her for the same exact reason.

They're mostly banking on the 2nd season being able to get funded properly. I think it has been green lit but no production or script has even started, so they're going to be in the funding phase sometime after this season. So everyone's probably going to see a cliff hanger and then wait a few years.

If people can't wait there's always the donghua or the novels/manhua. Just know going into it, the donghua versus the drama are two different products. I mean that as in the drama is basically a standalone, it's only like 10% accurate to the source, whereas the donghua stays extremely faithful in comparison, so don't expect that you're going to be picking right off from where the drama ends because you're going to be confused.

The donghua can be found on YouTube on Tencent's Channel (just search up Soul Land or Douluo Dalu) where they air it, so you don't need to do anything shady to watch it. It can also be found on Tencent's WeTV with over 100+ episodes, so you can binge if you enjoy it! Just know it's still on-going...

Like @Major stated. The relationship between TS and XW is waayyy better than the drama. You were sold completely on their romance up until a certain "event" which rendered XW pretty much completely useless for the rest of the series. It completely destroyed the romance build up and her character due to the nature of what happened and the aftermath. It was one of those things where God it was so frustrating, but we couldn't really argue with it because it made enough sense (at least to me) to develop in that way given the context of the situation and the rules the world worked under. But God that ship burns down in a sense, and I guess that was the true cost of that "event" where she shows just how far she is willing to go for TS. But nonetheless, people quickly looked to HLN for their romantic needs.

Oh yea most definitely. I think most if not all source/donghua can agree they made a lesser version of XW in the drama like they did with pretty much all the cast.

In the donghua she isn't nearly as ditzy as they make her to be in the drama. She's actually pretty smart and witty. Combatively she's even smarter and more exceptional as she was capable of basically taking on entire teams by herself. She likes fighting because it's the fastest way of her establishing she is stronger when settling disputes. She isn't simply obsessed with fighting, she just likes kicking ass and flexing especially to those that deserve it. For example, Bu Le was just a random womanizing thug that would abduct girls. He beat the crap out of MHJ, but XW came back and made him a handicap for months right after by luring him in by herself against TS and the rest of the guys' wishes to prove that she can handle herself. She's also a bit more forward about her feelings to TS. She's the type to act cutesy to get away with things as she knows how to use her charm. She would be jealous and a bit possessive over TS at times. She's also a firm holder in her own sense of justice because again, she isn't afraid to kick someone's ass. She isn't just some lost child with combat prowess like in the drama. She might be cutesy but she isn't nearly as naive compared to the drama, as it is continually hinted she knows very well just how cruel the world is and that is why her moral compass is the way that it is. However, much like TS is to her, if you hurt TS your free trial of life is over.

The only thing that the drama has done better is that they gave her a motive, being figuring out how to achieve spirit rings without the death of soul beasts so that they can coexist. She doesn't really have a notable motive otherwise from what I remember.