Martina Tognon

Dropped. Sorry I can stand some storyline and the good acting is not enough for me.
Bye

Cute Finale. I canno t think the content for a special episode. Still I hope.
Bye

No need to be sorry. I am ok with your reply. I really am not offended at all. Be sure about that :-)

Perhpas you are right, I am naive. I am not offended. ... :-)

This is not the place and the time to promote... I pointed out for that reason! ;-)

I am one of those. I am a woman that every night walk with the mobile phone in the hand ready to call police. I don't drink nothing if I don't know where the drink is from.
I was touched inappropriately in the workplace.
Sometimes I drink a lot but NEVER alone with people I don't know.
I was forced to kiss someone, but I had my friends people around.

I know exactly what NOT WANT means.

If I am unconscious I cannot protect myself.
On the contrary, I cry for help. I scream. I say NO. I try to protect myself ... even if I don't have a chance to win. As Mu Ren do so!

I didn't see XS do nothing to escape the situation. He was drunk, yes, unconscious? Hell, no.
He has feelings for the brother. He loved to be touched by him on the beach. Conflicted? Yes, still he loved it. He made the 1st move. He actually want the bro. The wine lowered his self-control and removed the social inhibitions of being with "his brother".

No one here are normalising nothing.
Do you want a rape?
Read 2gether (the actual novel) and please... don't tell me that Tharn raped Type in the shower.
In the serie as in the novel Type is taller, is the sportman, is the violent one... ready to use punch before switch on his brain.

I have a man on my side fully capable of defend me, still, I know if a bunch of guys decide to rape me or him, 2 vs 5 or 6 is a lost battle. I grown up knowing the risk to be a woman.
I know all about dirty mouth, long hand and anatomic part pushed on me in the pub or on the bus.
There is a huge difference from manipulate someone to do something with the choice to say no and drug someone to the point that he cannot defend himself.

I found what you said up very cruel...

" say that again when someone drugs you/gets you drunk deliberately and f**ks you without your consent "

Really? That is what you hope for people that disagree with you about a drama??

This is my last comment on this specific topic/issue... cause this one is really too much for this old lady to read. I saw too much and lived too much to accept this kind of "desire" from anyone.
I was raised to not hope NEVER EVER a bad thing for anyone. My worst enemy either.
This give me more nausea than the hypotetically rape, because it is real!

I AM NOT promoting.
I posted ONE example to help me in my discussion. Sure I don't promote this kind of stuff... I don't even have a you tube channel and I don't do that on FB or instagram.
I use those channel for my own works, my books and or things that not bother me. For exemple the music I hear before start to write something :-)

And I am not promoting myself neither, due to the simply fact that I write in italian only and no translation... so :-D it is hard to promote myself here.

Today I heard my dear Floor before write 3 chapters... I love her!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plCScjvDOJM&list=RDplCScjvDOJM&start_radio=1&ab_channel=AVROTROS

Are this video better?

because, unfortunately, from Italy I need to watch most of the serie on YouTube... and often for 1 video I receive 10 video of fan-service. I also have friends with daughter in the YA age. You cannot know what is about under this type of things.
I watched a couple of those video to understand the issue... and I made up my mind. There is INDEED an issue.

About that video I was searching preview for next episode that VIKI TV do not show. And all I can found was this kind of fabricated prove of reletionship.

Another example. I watch "Fish Upon the Sky" on you tube... try to do "search" and you can verify with your own eyes.

I found: 1 part of episode 5
The trailer
And after that ... 10 of fans's video cutted just to show two lovers. "Habemus Amantes".

About Anson and Charles I posted the video only to make a point in a civil discussion. I simply stated that I hate fan service.

Suicids?
I am not so inside the thai BL industry, but for sure some issue start to surface. It is clear by some actors leaving abruptly the industry (and I really think is the most remurative of all)... there must be a reason.

I posted 2 link today. The "original" interview where the host ask - BOTH COUPLE - to play some lines.
And the "cut" version focused on Anson & Charles. Gas on fire.

It is the evidence that, where there are NOT interaction, the fans create the fake scenario and stimulate one other fantasies. This problem is NOT simply of BL industry, but with fans too. Ineducated, immature people IMHO that live the actors lives. The worst.

BL industry, we need to face the reality, feed the monster with exactly the monster's fav food.

Original Interview video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsllt3_B_Dc&ab_channel=E%21Studio%E8%97%9D%E9%8F%A1%E5%88%B0%E5%BA%95

at minute 4:40 the second couple acting, immediately afterd CP1

Cut fan video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ORdjKiaqzk

As there is regulation for the YOUNGEST athlete (with rules about change team and type of contract), it should be rule also for young people in other works. Show Biz too.

I insist, being calm and trying to make a point with no harsh tone or word. In case... it is not my intent attack anyone.

YJ didn't rape XS. He hase some issue, but please recheck this 4 points.

1. Beach scene (nipple touched and XS reaction)
2. Who do the 1st move?
3. XS know perfectly who is the person with him and ask why he don't want to kiss him
4. XS never says NO

Than confront with almost rape of Mu Ren 4 point here too

1. He was drugged BUT
2. he scremed "no" a lot of time
3. He cryed
4. He called Li Cheng MORE THEN one time.

Sorry... I keep say this till the end of my life.
Mu Ren was ALMOST raped.
XS was manipolated YES, but there is no rape.

Sure the guy has psicological issue, I always say that, but that could be cured... no need to put im him jail.

So you hated HIStory 1 Obsessed I suppose.

About the top/Bottom ... I am very happy that there is a drama that disuss the issue.
The reality is complex and we must keep in mind that not all the couple are "hubbie and wifey".
I LOVE that they could talk and try to undestand and comprimize together considering both the desires and istincts.

Just to explain.... a 25/26 y.o. are not the same of a 19/20.
In some contract they are request to NOT have reletionship because of the fan-service. I didn't think this is a right thing to do. Often a young boy (girls too) don't use the brain. They want fame... money... show business... but they don't understand the price.
I think this kind of request must be banned from contracts.

FOUND the complete cut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsllt3_B_Dc&ab_channel=E%21Studio%E8%97%9D%E9%8F%A1%E5%88%B0%E5%BA%95

Not so easy, sorry to say that. There are a lot of complaining about contract of young BL actors. Check around.
Lovely Writer give a good prospective. Luckily, as the years go, the guys know better and can try to defend themself.
I agree that they sign because they want to be actor, but sometimes they are not enough grown up to undesrtand. So my question is... where are the parents?
Pay attention that a lot are underaged... sure they don't do "too much" still.. those contracts are not annual.

bulleye. this is exactly the point. "most people cannot separate"...
So why put all the guys in BL industry in that position?
And thai BL is the worst sometimes. The guy must be very strong and clever to survive.

Of course you can ask. The problem is not "shipping" that I quite undestandable, without crossing the line. What I don't like is the fan-service (seem to be an imposition of the industry) and the crazy fan. I made an expample a couple of month ago about Max Tul (The Kings). If I recall is Max that now has a girlfriend, for those crazy fan he was cheating! cheating???? they were NEVER a couple.
They start to insult and more on IG and other social media. Do you think this behaviour is normal? I cannot accept that, sorry.

Here is the CUT video (without logo too)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ORdjKiaqzk

I am @work and I don't have YT synced, so I cannot found so easily the complete interview, where it is clear that the host asked BOTH CP to act and play some lines. (And of course the REAL Interview disapper, covered by the shipping videos).
As you can see the cut is mad "for fun" to create a shipping love relation.

I can understand some level of shipping, just to be clear. Especially true when the actors have a good chemistry ON screen. Not always ON screen means OFF screen.

A big heterosexual example is Mariska Hargitay and her co-star Christopher Meloni in Law and Order. ON screen they were never a couple, but they always had a great chemistry and sexual tension... in the real life they are great friends, both happily married.

In the BL industry the shipping is far too intense, and fired but the industry people themself. Acting is one thing, fool the world acting 24hours per day, 365 days per year is too much for those guys.

Sam/Yu... I understand why. Yu have some issue with chinese, is quite obvious for western people too. Usually they tease him. Sam too, but he is also very patient in helping him. That is the base for e good friendship/partnership. I understand why Yu often search Sam around, help and support is important thing for everyone. The crazy-fans see this as "being IN LOVE", but is more of friend love.
If - BIG IF - they are something more than friends, it must be their choice what say and when.

About Anson and Charles I found the complete interview video. It is clear that they was asked to act as LiCheng MuRen, and they do that quite well. If someone cut the video (and a lot of people cannot read chinese subtitle) to be spread all around web, this is like gas on fire.

Lucky them, next sunday last 2 episode will air, so whatever their reletionship is, they'd manage privately.

Unlucky us (me), cause I liked this HIStory a lot.

That's good to hear.

Don't thank me to be a normal understanding person. Kisses.

Because is forced by fan service where the actor must continue to act act act... when can they have a life?