NightingGale

It’s bad enough to defend/justify him (despite what some people here think, you can like his professional work without trying to invalidate/dismiss his personal problems. It makes you look worse when to “love/stan” an idol, you have to whitewash every wrong thing they do).

It’s worse when to defend him, you have to somehow twist the blame onto other parties who suffered much greater consequences than he did. His consequences only came as a result of his failure to take ownership to his mistakes. And ontop of that, to be so shameless as to blame her for not sacrificing MORE by keeping quiet, sucking it up and taking care of HIS kid independently, all to protect this guy’s career. Fan worship is disgusting. SMH.

While you are right to say it’s not our business and that there is a distinction between personal VS professional life, it isn’t wrong for fans to be turned off by someone who tries to pay off their loved ones with the bare minimum, have them endure the hospital stay, and then dump them over a PHONE CALL while she is recovering from said abortion (for HIS sake and HIS career) as being a “good boy” responsible adult.

You are also right. He is not contractually obligated to stay with her/love her indefinitely because at one point she carried his baby, but you cannot deny that the maturity at which he handled the situation was crap, if all we have to go on is her statement and his admittance.

His justifications for why he could not commit to her were logical (penalty contracts, his uprising career), but how he handled everything leading up to a public blowup of her exposing him shows the level of compassion he has for his supposed loved ones. That or he should’ve paid her off more, but I guess he is cheap.

We aren’t talking about his “contractual obligations” here. We are talking about his morality (or lack of) and immaturity at handling the situation, which naturally makes him a very unappealing star to endorse (and the natural downfall of his career as per his choices). And how there is even less reason for people to twist this around and blame the woman for not protecting him MORE when she did a hell of a lot more than he did for her in terms of sacrifices for his career (making his fandom, and him by proxy, seem extra scummy).

Umm, you said in your own statement what the problem with his behavior is though? “But in all that - except if there was rape, physical and mental coercion, forced abortion - nothing seems to be public concern.”

You should read her statement before making baseless assumptions about how “maturely” he dealt with the situation.

There was mental coercion leading to the abortion, with him promising marriage. It’s true that people fall out of love all the time, and it is right to end it, but it sounds like this woman did not want to terminate the pregnancy but loved him more so chose to keep him, which he exploited under false pretense to get what he wants?

I think regardless it was a hard decision for her to make because it sounds like she was worried about complications. Basically, he had everything to gain and her everything to lose with the abortion. I think the main issue here is how fans are so psychotic that they have the gall to victim blame this poor woman (regardless of whether she was dumb/forced via coercion to get an abortion) for not “protecting” this guy’s image when this guy can’t even own up and take responsibility for his own loved ones like his kid or SO? Why does she owe him anything? Why should she hide things?

People say she is the “wrong” one. She’s not vindictive for speaking out about her experience - maybe this is her way of coping with the situation. I have more issues with people who have such fan worship that they somehow can twist the situation to be as if he were the victim because he “lost more” (his potential career) VS this woman’s mental health and ability to have future children. He’s an adult. He can take responsibility of unprotected sex - whether that means supporting the child or at least not lying to the woman to try to manipulate her into getting what he wants. His fans have such bare minimum requirements on the guy and all the responsibilities pushed onto the girl to “be stronger and just take care of the kid/abortion. PLUS STFU to protect my oppa’s image!!!” I do agree that both are adults; so keep your expectations of them the same; don’t act like his “loss” is more traumatic/more unfair than her sense of loss just because he is famous. It’s not the normal fandom’s fault that they do not stomach his “good boy” image anymore. That’s just an unfortunate fallout of his “adult” choices.

It’s not really a pro-choice or pro-life debate though? The idea is that a woman got manipulated into her decision and the “choice” taken out of her hands. No one here is really saying she NEEDED to keep or not keep the baby? But people are criticizing the fact that somehow this man’s career is more important and the bigger “loss” over this woman’s right to make a decision about her body and her ability to have future children (so how can you interpret this as a pro-life debate?! The inane logic of some…).

And not only that, some fans are so delulu that not only should she ALL bear the burden of THEIR mistake (to conceive an accidental child), some people have the audacity to say that she ALSO has the burden of protecting HIM when he did nothing to protect her or their kid? Why is his career that much more important?

Why does she owe him anything? He didn’t do anything for her in the end. She doesn’t need to hide what he did. What she said was a matter of fact; if he was an average joe, she would have just as much right to release her statement as if he was a celebrity with thousands of fans. While his personal life has nothing to do with his professional life, you can’t blame his regular non-delusional fans for not being able to stomach his “good boy” onscreen image anymore.

Too many enablers and fan delusions here for me.

You need some help and to get away from fan culture. Your morality cannot just be based off the whims and decisions of your idol. That is all.

I cannot argue with someone who cares more about a stranger’s career than the potential life that was lost and the suffering of my fellow human being from mental gaslighting and manipulation. I’m sure you blame all those abused women/men in relationships for being “so weak” to not leave too. After all, we live in a free country and fought for freedoms to be in whatever relationship you want to be in! What weak losers, amirite? /s LOL.

Um, a victim has a right to closure and justice? Maybe blame the perpetrator for being such a scummy person with terrible morals before asking why the victim feels the right to expose him? Besides, it’s just coincidence that he is famous, if it was any random guy off the streets, I would applaud a victim for speaking out to stop this person from terrorizing other girls too.

“Why does she have to tell us what she’s been through?” Ok, if that’s your argument, why does he have to be such a scummy guy who doesn’t even wanna take ownership of his mistakes by taking care of his child? Such low, almost non-existent, requirements for your idol, just to preserve their good image, whilst piling all the responsibilities on the poor victim to stfu to protect this guy.

What he is getting now is his due justice. It’s not the girl or anyone else’s fault that no one else can see him as the “nice guy” he built his career on. Being famous doesn’t make you immune to consequences and karma.

Idk why you even want to defend him when he doesn’t even want to defend himself? I’m assuming both the girl and the guy in this relationship know more than either of us? So I say it’s safe to say, he doesn’t have any good excuse to defend himself either but somehow you are able to pull one outta nowhere with “but we don’t know his personal life”.

Some fans just lack a moral compass when their idols are involved.

Victim blaming the poor girl. Like, alright, yes, both of these are consenting adults, but if a “mistake” has been made, why can’t the father of the child own up to his actions instead of guilt tripping the mother to abort. What a coward this man is. Even if you believe the mother to be wrong for “making the decision” to abort, the father should have some bare minimum responsibilities? No, instead, all he has to do was sit back and promise marriage to her while she had to suffer all the mental and physical anguish to give him what he wants. SMH. It’s true that they might’ve broken up naturally after this huge obstacle in their relationship, but regardless, it doesn’t change the fact that he is a coward who built his professional image on being “a nice guy.” And even he doesn’t try to make excuses in his apology, so idk why his fans are saying THE WOMAN was in the wrong and should have considered HIS career (ummm, can he consider his child/SO first?!)…

Have some empathy for this girl. Imagine if this was your sister who was on the receiving end of this guy. This guy already doesn’t even give a crap about his own potential future kid and his SO at the time, no amount of stanning/defending for him will make him care about all the delulu fans.

Honestly don’t even know who is worse - the guy for being such a scummy person to his “loved” ones or the fans who know none of the context and somehow can do mental gymnastics to make HIM the “victim” to some “unjust” revenge scheme by a vindictive ex, when even he doesn’t see it that way?

I just feel bad for the innocent unborn child, maybe it was for the best that they didn’t get born into an unloving marriage/father.

If you delusional fans cannot see what is wrong and emotionally manipulative with her with telling her partner to not do his job, not talk to his female coworkers, and force script changes to suit the dysfunctionality of their relationship and “make her happy”, I can’t help you people. Continue to live in your imaginary world of your bias is never wrong. Your star is above common sense and moral character. Forget KJH, her texts were outright disrespectful to Seohyun and the others. These people worked hard and paid good money and SYJ treats their livelihood as a joke because her insecurity trumps their jobs. And guess what? Seohyun is a GIRL.

You “pseudo feminists”/“woman are never wrong” people should check your hypocrisy when you defend OTHER female victim going through gaslighting from their male husband if you think what SYJ asked and expected of KJH was within normal limits of a “couple’s fight.” Emotional manipulation can happen to guys and girls in relationships.

I’m not even a fan of any of the involved parties. Only reason I even bothered to comment is because more than being upset at what SYJ/KJH did, I feel absolute disgust with the moral depravity fanaticism inspires - you people cherry pick and invalidate mind games if done by your favs. People turning a blind eye to SYJ here have either (1) never worked a day in their lives or (2) never been on the receiving end of someone guilt tripping you into doing unpleasant things with the expectation of “making them happy.” I’m fair, as much sympathy as KJH gets from me for being mentally unhealthy, fact is, I would hate to work with him or her, just like I’m sure Seohyun and the others hated working around this dysfunctional couple’s demands.

I don’t even care what happens to their careers now that more dirt is coming out, but you reap what you sow. No, I don’t know her personally (just like YOU don’t), but I don’t need to. Celebrities aren’t infallible gods. Karma is coming like a truck and railroading her reputation - as a bully, a liar, and a jealous witch who doesn’t even have the humility to say sorry to the people she disrespected (Seohyun and Time’s staff).

The fact that her fans DEFEND her with such fervour and point fingers onto others exposes more about them than it does about SYJ. Maybe something else WAS going on between SYJ/KJH that has yet to be disclosed, but based off the public information people DO have, SYJ fans are still saying she did nothing wrong as a professional and a well-adjusted “adult” gf? Get me off this train; this blind idol worship logic is too absurd and immature.

At least KJH can own up and say sorry with no excuses unlike SYJ hiding behind her terrible PR statement. If it truly was MUTUAL toxicity in their relationship, KJH and SYJ owe each other nothing in the public eye now - deal with their dysfunction in private and leave the rest of the innocent bystanders out of it. Stop expecting KJH to say sorry on behalf of or to the “mutually toxic” (as per GM) SYJ who has yet to even deign the public with her personal words. All the innocent parties are sick of this unpleasantness being dragged back into the spotlight because of the unprofessionalism of these two in their private lives - those parties did nothing to deserve it.

Good luck defending a sinking ship because she and yourselves think SYJ is above other people in the industry and blames everyone else before looking at herself and saying sorry to the INNOCENT people she inconvenienced with her personal problems.

I didn’t even absolve KJH of blame either. Sheesh, learn to read please. Only people I give 2 cares to defend are the the poor production teams and sponsors who paid good top dollar for these “actors” who think lightly of their responsibilities and think their personal mess is the clean up job of their coworkers who worked hard to please their demands. Poor Seohyun for dealing with the trauma of the jealousy of this sad woman and her victim “lapdog” (as you would say) - she took a hiatus from acting because of this couple’s personal drama.

As much as you want to call KJH an adult, he wasn’t mentally healthy. Unless you also want to accuse FEMALE victims of domestic abuse for being “such pathetic adults who can’t even make the decision to walk away from their gaslighting partners.” His own unprofessionalism is warranted criticism so HIM losing his job is also not unexpected.

And why is the expectations of being a “competent decision making adult” only on the man? Such pathetic “feministic” beliefs.
I would hope that SYJ and her rabid fans understand that asking for surveillance and alienation from coworkers is ABNORMAL “adult” behavior. You can be jealous without being possessive and manipulative that it extends into your partner’s workplace (and there isn’t even any physical evidence besides words on her end that he asked this of her). If you can’t see that her personality sucks, you should get some help and not give any “adult” advice to people suffering from gaslighting and emotional abuse. Say what you want about KJH and his “adult-minded” compliance to her wishes but SYJ needs to work on her control freak personality. If they want to have a dysfunctional relationship, good for them, but keep it at home instead of making the workplace hellish for people trying to make a living. And if they want to drag it to the workplace, don’t expect a paycheque or respect from their coworkers. She deserves 100% to lose her reputation as a “professional” actress. Before she is your “can do no wrong” idol, she is a PAID actress. The public and her sponsors PAID for an actress who can promote good press or work well with her colleagues - if she has a unprofessional attitude, find someone else who can.

An actress having the gall to tell her boyfriend to sabotage and alienate all his female coworkers, if not publicly humilate his MUCH MORE famous FEMALE actress (Seohyun) to the point of tears, doesn’t sound like unprofessional and manipulative behavior? ... Especially considering she IS an actress herself. Regardless of whether you wanna victim blame KJH as a simp/loser for following SYJ’s “suggestions”, that doesn’t change the fact that SYJ spoke in clear black and white text orders that actively harmed other people with no regards for that drama besides “I am his gf.” In the end, he got visibly sick to the point of dropping out anyways, all whilst SYJ is ALLEGEDLY “mutually” agreeing to this “no skinship” pact they had (AS ACTORS).... oh wait, nvm, she was too busy making out with LJK in Lawless Lawyer.

So she’s either an unprofessional actress for having such disrespect for Time and its team OR she’s an manipulative/abusive psychotic gf who thinks her personal problems are more important than everyone else’s job. Or better yet, she’s both. It’s no wonder people are looking down on someone who claims to be a “professional” actress but has no problems tearing down others in the industry for her own pettiness.

I make no comments on KJH because he had his own unprofessional conduct. But him being unprofessional and mentally ill doesn’t magically “erase” her personal words coming across as a controlling and abusive woman. Two wrongs don’t make a right. There isn’t even actual proof on her end that KJH was also feeding into the toxicity and “forcing” her to limit her acting capacity. (I feel she would have no problems throwing KJH under the bus if she had actual proof as her agency already tried to say KJH accepts all blame but failed miserably when he didn’t even bother to mention her in his apology letter). At least KJH knows how to own up to his mistakes without pointing a thousand fingers and makes no excuses.

Poor production team of Times since they gotta put up with these two airing their dirty laundry whilst everyone else is trying to make a successful drama. Her personal life and mistakes are her own, good for her for thinking it’s okay behavior, but if you are a PUBLIC figure and actively get exposed with no respect for your colleagues in the SAME industry..... fail. How high up is her nose to be this narcissistic?

Lol where? There is only 1 unnamed staff member who stood up for her... but on the flip side, also another unnamed staff who bashed her. So I guess that’s even until someone wants to release their actual name as the source.

SYJ and her agency can say all the defence they want, at the end of the day, there is no physical evidence of him demanding the same toxicity (yet). GM only cares about protecting their golden goose, how is their biased word any more trustworthy than a he said-she said? KJH was mature enough to not even mention SYJ’s name in his apology and own up to his mistakes whereas SYJ can’t even be bothered to accept responsibility and apologize for her unprofessional conduct in wishing poor performances and unsuccess on Seohyun and others of Time, who had to run around like headless chickens trying to pander to the absurd demands of this “acting” couple.

Also, why would Seohyun’s staff even want to drag themselves into the hot mess that is entangling both of these stars who are getting all this hate? Seohyun and her team have nothing to gain from speaking up about either of them since she did nothing to deserve any of the drama that is surrounding her good name. I’ve found no proof of anyone from Time saying “it was only KJH’s fault, not a lick of fault goes on SYJ.” At most, staff on the Times team just say that KJH was difficult to work with, with many of them voicing their suspicions of outsider influence from his gf at the time. Besides, there are videos of Seohyun and KJH getting along normally early on in the shooting before he grew progressively more distant during filming... sounds like something changed his mind.

Did you know most people stuck in domestic psychologically abusive relationships aren’t chained down with a ball and chain either? They don’t have guns to their heads. They are free to walk away from “jealous” lovers. Shocking. We should just blame those “weak minded” people for being stupid enough to let themselves be “trapped” with the invisible string of their mind (with hopes of pleasing their jealous/psychotic lover) instead of the actual person playing dumb mind games (SYJ). /s

Rather than victim blame him for his mental weakness, why not tell her to get a personality transplant for her controlling and exploitative behavior.

I don’t know on what level is SYJ the pitiful one - the only pitiful people are Seohyun and the Time production team, for having to put up with the ridiculous demands of “professional” actors like SYJ and her “dumb/pathetic/zero balls” partner, KJH (as you would say).

Truly tone deaf reply about how “you can’t even pretend to reverse the roles because people are people”. No, my point is, doesn’t matter if SYJ is an amazing actress that you want to see in this production, what comes first is that she is PAID by the production team to create a successful drama so if she has a history of bad press/diva behavior, no one wants to deal with the risks of working with her. Unless you think this is ok for an actor to tell another actor (KJH) to NOT act. That’s like a doctor asking another doctor to “not treat patients” because “they are too jealous to have their partner touching others.” Truly absurd expectations of SYJ (and by extension KJH for following them) when both are actors.

This reply sounds beyond immature and blinded at how much effort and money OTHER people (not SYJ or KJH) put into making a drama. Just because she (or he) is the star doesn’t mean these two have the right to form some selfish agreement at the expense of everyone else involved. If all the rumors about her are true, I’d dread to work with someone like SYJ. She could be drawing in the masses for stans like you but her colleagues probably would hate the entire work experience, unless you like being tormented by a coworker who has her nose up in the air (with her recent workplace accusations). You reap what you sow, and it looks like karma is coming for her hard.

Welp. Let’s just turn this argument on it’s head and pretend that KJH is a female abuse victim and see how your comment sounds:

“What do you mean you don’t have the guts to leave your mentally abusive husband/boyfriend who gaslights and manipulates into doing things that affects your professional life, with the expectation that these things you do will me happy. Why don’t you have any ovaries. Did I put a gun to you head when I stopped you from interacting with your male friends/coworkers? No. Why are you so weak?”

Wow, that sounds just as bad regardless if said to a guy or a girl abuse victim in a toxic relationship. Doesn’t matter who was more wrong in this relationship - they both were bad for each other but to say KJH is a “zero balls” weakling for pandering to his possessive girlfriend sounds like victim blaming.

The things people say to defend their biases. It’s like people throw their moral compass to the wind. I agree, it’s both their faults (yes, even SYJ) for being actors in an ACTING JOB and not respecting their costars/production team and letting their personal problems get in the way of DOING THEIR JOB. Her losing this part (and inability to successfully promote it with good newspress from past behavior) is equivalent to KJH backing out from mental exhaustion and inability to properly do his acting job in Time. I don’t get how SYJ is any different than Ji Soo who had his past bad behavior come back to bite him and cost him HIS job. Sounds like people are only giving her a pass (not that she/KJH/Ji Soo deserve a free pass after all the havoc their past will wreak on the production team) because KJH is a guy and thus cannot be a victim (and if he tries to be a victim, it’s because he is too weak to stand up to a girl?)....

She doesn’t deserve to be blacklisted as an actress, but she should get her personal life in order and let this scandal die down and do some self-reflection/apology before she tries to be a public figure, rather than pushing all the blame onto KJH - doesn’t matter if she’s an amazing actress, if she can’t promote the drama in good faith, it’s still a loss to the production team and sponsors.

People make mistakes. Her personal life and behavior is her own business. But acting is a PUBLIC JOB. A drama is a collective effort and collaboration of many people who put their effort and money into seeing it succeed. Those other people involved shouldn’t be responsible for the public backlash of how she chooses to be in her personal life. Same goes for any job (if her role actively harms the team’s success, it’s time for her to know when to back out... which she probably should’ve done when it came to trying to coerce KJH to act against his script...). Just the fact that she thought it was acceptable to even SAY to KJH, an ACTOR, (whilst she herself is an actress acting in romantic scenes) and suggest to him to refuse to cooperate with his coworkers just shows her level of respect for showbiz, professionalism, and cooperation - I would not want to work with someone like that on a drama production.

I don’t even know what these two were thinking when they started their “no skinship with other actors” agreement when they started agreeing to ACT in dramas (the horror, asking these PAID actors/actresses to do their job... /s) when they were together. Everything about it sounds unprofessional of both, and they should be criticized for wasting people’s time and money.

Only people I think who deserves any sympathy is the poor production team/other actors who have to put out the fires of their coworker’s personal behavior. So it’s better for them to cut their losses before this scandal breaks out midway in the drama and watch it be refilmed at the expense of other innocent bystanders.

I’m not a fan of cancel culture nor do I think either SYJ or KJH deserved to be blacklisted, but the criticisms they are getting respectively are completely warranted (just because of the poor bystanders that got impacted with their squabble), with SYJ deserving more criticism.

Regardless of whether this was a mutual agreement of “no skinship” in ACTING PRODUCTIONS, this was so ridiculously unprofessional of both (don’t sign up for a romantic role... if you don’t want to be romantic)... but at the end of the day, KJH was mentally unwell and (rightfully) backed out completely of his role to please his partner, whereas SYJ is over there smacking lips with LJK in Lawless Lawyer... sure sounds like a “mutual” lover’s quarrel /s. What’s worse is that they are both actors; they both should know better of the expectations of acting. If they want to be taken seriously in their profession, keep their private problems at home.

That being said, KJH was clearly mentally unwell and SYJ comes across possessive, manipulative, and the PR statement just comes across insincere and scapegoating (as if she did nothing wrong and it was a “shared” agreement, rather than a “shared” fault of both at best). This news leaked way after the quarrel, so it’s not like he tried to play the victim card when he suddenly dropped out when he could’ve just blamed it all on this toxic relationship (when questioned, he even denied it had anything to do with an gf back then).

If the roles were reserved KJH would be getting wrecked right now, whilst everyone would be lauding SYJ as the next saint. But here we have a bunch of people blaming KJH for being a whipped loser for his gf’s wishes.

So sick of this “woman are always victim” narrative and the victim blaming of men because “why can’t he just be stronger and not listen to her. She only told him to do stuff to make her happy, it’s his fault for actually being dumb enough to listen”. How about telling that same sentiment to a domestic abuse victim that is a woman, see how tone deaf that sounds - “why don’t you just leave your partner and stop letting yourself be gaslighted and manipulated into making them happy, gosh, why are you so weak. Grow some ovaries” What kind of feminism is this even supposed to be...? Sounds more like a double standard, more than “feminism = gender equality” No wonder people don’t take it seriously. (And this is coming from a girl).

Anyways, only people I genuinely feel bad for are the production team/sponsors of Time. Had to be the adults that dealt with children who didn’t know when to do the job that they got paid to do - at least KJH dropped out before KJH/SYJ’s problems caused even more damage to the mental wellbeing and success of Time and its team.

Preach. Everyone here sounds like hypocrites. No wonder no guy takes “feminism = equality of genders” seriously when really, certain “feminists” only care about pushing the narrative that only females can be victim and when they are exposed to be in the wrong, they gotta push blame onto “what a weak willed man who couldn’t fight back against this woe-is-me woman”. And this is coming from a girl too... Sad. Seriously, the only faultless victim in this whole scenario is the production team of Time.