How is it misogynic when it's the female audience who dislike the female villain more than the male audience?…
I never mentioned anything about "all the stereotypes in the world are not created by men."
In fact, if you want to talk about stereotypes, the author of the original comment said this statement "in short: misogyny," which is a blanketed statement that says that the problem with poor female portrayals are because of misogynists, rather than the individual writer.
There was no nuance to her statement nor any reason. Just toss in a line about misogyny to explain everything.
And about the part about female writers, they actually have a lot more influence than you imagine. Especially with popular shows. Kim Soon-ok is a highly influential writer.
The problem isn't misogyny. It is the individual writers (male or female), who cannot step out of tropes and take on challenging ideas.
Take a look at shows like Taxi Driver, which is a great example of having wonderful female characters and a female villain who is psychotic, yet unpredictable (loved the villain in this series). Guess who the writer is? Lee Ji Hyun, a rather popular female writer.
So no, I am not creating stereotypes. Rather, I'm trying to avoid the stereotype created by the original author. After all, it seems convenient to use one word to put the blame on 'society,' 'men,' or whatever reason you would like to use.
How is it misogynic when it's the female audience who dislike the female villain more than the male audience?…
The Penthouse is a prime example of this trope, where the female villains are vile and devious for the sake of being that way. Sure, a little backstory is sprinkled here and there, but from what my wife and many of my female friends from a drama group (where we suggest good dramas) have told me (since I barely have time for romcoms), the main villain is this school principle or something who is just portrayed as an, in the words of my friends, an "atrocious b*tch."
How is it misogynic when it's the female audience who dislike the female villain more than the male audience?…
I have to disagree. If you you look at the statistics, 90% of Korean screenwriters are female. Are you saying that all 90% have internalized misogyny?
Great screenwriters also create the female tropes that we all dislike. So the problem isn't with men, it's with the female writers.
You usually don't notice this issue with female written Webtoons or short stories, since they have complex female characters and well written female villains. When these webtoons and short stories are adopted for TV (by female screenwriters, mind you), they become altered for their audience. This leads to one-dimensional characters with barely an ounce of personality.
How is it misogynic when it's the female audience who dislike the female villain more than the male audience? As a male viewer, I enjoy all villains; male, female, or trans (though we need more of those). The demographic clearly states that there is a greater number of female viewers.
This isn't just true for certain Asian dramas. Even in countries like India and Indonesia, we see that women watch dramas a lot more than men. There have actually been cases of women harassing the female villains of certain shows simply because they did not like what the female villain did to the FMC (or FL as it is used in this case).
You probably mean to say misandrist, in reference to the female audience.
In fact, if you want to talk about stereotypes, the author of the original comment said this statement "in short: misogyny," which is a blanketed statement that says that the problem with poor female portrayals are because of misogynists, rather than the individual writer.
There was no nuance to her statement nor any reason. Just toss in a line about misogyny to explain everything.
And about the part about female writers, they actually have a lot more influence than you imagine. Especially with popular shows. Kim Soon-ok is a highly influential writer.
The problem isn't misogyny. It is the individual writers (male or female), who cannot step out of tropes and take on challenging ideas.
Take a look at shows like Taxi Driver, which is a great example of having wonderful female characters and a female villain who is psychotic, yet unpredictable (loved the villain in this series). Guess who the writer is? Lee Ji Hyun, a rather popular female writer.
So no, I am not creating stereotypes. Rather, I'm trying to avoid the stereotype created by the original author. After all, it seems convenient to use one word to put the blame on 'society,' 'men,' or whatever reason you would like to use.
The writer of the show? Kim Soon-ok. A female.
Great screenwriters also create the female tropes that we all dislike. So the problem isn't with men, it's with the female writers.
You usually don't notice this issue with female written Webtoons or short stories, since they have complex female characters and well written female villains. When these webtoons and short stories are adopted for TV (by female screenwriters, mind you), they become altered for their audience. This leads to one-dimensional characters with barely an ounce of personality.
This isn't just true for certain Asian dramas. Even in countries like India and Indonesia, we see that women watch dramas a lot more than men. There have actually been cases of women harassing the female villains of certain shows simply because they did not like what the female villain did to the FMC (or FL as it is used in this case).
You probably mean to say misandrist, in reference to the female audience.