Still wet bones

You start by saying that everyone has the right to their own opinion, but then you go on to claim that viewers who no longer find the show as satisfying as it used to be are “clearly not mature enough.” Lol.

Disliking something or feeling that it no longer aligns with your tastes isn’t hatred, and there’s no need to antagonize people over their preferences. Everyone has the right to their opinion — you said it yourself.

The FL is a difficult character to sympathize with or cheer for. I get that she is tragic, and it is sad she went through hell as a child, but her adult character really lacks the charm that usually makes other anti-heroes interesting. I think the writing failed her. Her character had no depth; she was always posing like she knew the camera was on her. She would look victimized so we’d feel bad for thinking she was evil (lol), but then act haughty like she was some great chess mastermind. I don't know.

I believe they could have made an anti-heroine who was magnetic, compelling, and heartbreaking, but this FL is 2D with zero complexity. Being dark and acting manic does not make a character complex. Complexity comes from the tension between good and bad, self-awareness, past trauma, yearning, love, hate, desires, sanity, and insanity. Eh, there is no point in me even complaining—they don't care, haha. I just wanted to vent after sticking with the show just to see how they would execute the FL's character, and I am disappointed. lol

"The truth is, this already seems more like a war with two sides."
That is the fundamental nature of any conflict. You are not making a significant observation here.

"The worst part is that every time I pass through these parts, I feel the moral superiority that the KSH fans have on this whole issue, as if they were attacking with "the truth" and the law on their side."
You are already biased toward one side while acting like a neutral party observing a chaotic conflict, which is hypocritical. It's telling that you don't see the "moral superiority" of those who bully KSH, calling him a pedophile with zero concrete, credible evidence. They, too, believe that the truth is with them, except they have no evidence to support their baseless claims and allegations, all of which fell short when they were asked to provide proof. The law takes the side where there is evidence.

"The truth is, I don't think most people hate KSH. What many reject is the murkiness of the situation, the eagerness and obsession of the fans to want him to be innocent at all costs, and to believe only in KSH's version of the events."
The murkiness of the situation is because Go Saero and KSR's family allegedly fabricated evidence and presented AI-generated material to push their own narrative, frame KSH, and exploit KSR's death. It's not the eagerness or obsession of "fans"; it's the common sense of people with a basic capacity for intelligence who don't fall for public acts of defamation and framing without evidence. Nobody believes KSH is "innocent at all costs"; they just don't believe people are perpetrators until they are proven to be.

"Regardless of everything, KSH already has a stain. Maybe some don't care; others don't even see it. Some will say it doesn't even exist. But there are those who do see it, and it does matter to them."
Yes, that "stain" is the result of defamation, cyberbullying, and allegations made without evidence. And that stain only matters to his bullies.

"I don't hate KSH. In fact, I wouldn't have even voiced an opinion on this controversy if it weren't for the murkiness of the case and the blind and obsessive support of his fans (which gets even worse when they claim they're not even fans). That's what made me weigh in again."
That's disingenuous. Get down from your moral high horse. The "murkiness of the situation" is due to the fabrication of false evidence by Gae Soro and KSR's family; don't blame others for what they did. For example, I am not a fan of KSH. I didn't even watch his dramas before this because I just didn't like him. So, no, you don't have to be someone's fan to demand proper evidence, reject false narratives, and refuse to support bullying. You just need to have common sense.

"And the so-called "haters," or whatever they want to call them... yes, they think about a family. But that of KSR. and that family is using fake evidence to frama people."
So that's fair to you because the family's daughter is dead? That doesn't give them the right to harass people without basis. That is mob mentality, and it needs to be stopped. And yes, accusing someone without proving their wrongdoing and then continuing to harass and bully them is the basic form of hating.

"But that doesn't mean we should automatically assume he's telling the truth, or that the KSR family is lying."
And yet, you basically assume KSH is lying and KSR's family is telling the truth, even after it was reportedly proven that they altered evidence with AI.

"I'm just pointing out that there are elements that raise reasonable doubts."
So do the actions of KSR's own family, Gae Soro, and KSR herself. This is why I said you are being biased under the pretense of neutrality while holding onto the moral superiority of being an unbiased third party. Seriously, don't bring "critical thinking" into this. None of you are using it. Just using the phrase "critical thinking" alone doesn't give you any credibility or cognitive superiority here.

"The presumption of innocence doesn't mean we should suppress critical thinking or ethical debate."
Yes, and that should also be applied to KSR and her family.

Frankly, this is a useless and pathetic take. It seems you are either very immature or completely irrational. If it's the latter, I hope you get the help you need, because this page is not the place for your mental and emotional breakdowns.
No matter how much you complain here, KSH is not going down. Period. The most likely outcome is that KSR's family and the Gae Soro guy will go to prison and have to pay a huge sum of money to KSH. So, if you actually care about KSR, don't waste your time here. Go help them raise that money instead of just using her death to project your own hatred of men.

I'm sensing a bit of panic. It must be difficult when the narrative you've built starts to crumble.

I'm really glad to see the truth finally coming out. Hopefully, this pathetic bullying will stop. It's almost as if these bullies wanted KSR to have been groomed by KSH when she was a child, even if she wasn't, just so they could direct their hatred toward him and get on their moral high horses.

My take is that KSR's family, specifically her parents, weren't on good terms with their daughter and probably tried to use her for money, a situation many child actresses face with money-hungry parents. As a result, KSR became a stressed, anxious, and unstable young woman, so she chose an easy path to relieve her pain. Her family is now trying to get back at the people who were actually there for her to shift the blame and hide their own neglect and greed. Even in death, her family is trying to profit from this young woman. No wonder she called her manager her father; he must have been one of the few people who genuinely cared for her, unlike her own.

I'm genuinely curious why so many Indian women and news outlets are obsessed with this man. It's funny that it's always Bollywood news sites posting constant updates about KSH, and even a lot of the negative commenters here seem to be from India.

I'm not trying to be racist—I honestly sympathize. But it really looks like a case of massive projection. It’s as if they're using this Korean actor to vent frustrations about how Indian men treat Indian women. They publish multiple articles with cherry-picked statements taken out of context, none of which actually prove anything.

Shouldn't they just leave this issue to Koreans and focus on problems in their own country? I hear Bollywood has plenty of its own predators, so if this is really about justice, why not direct that energy there?

Cyberbullying a Korean actor isn't going to accomplish anything for you. Lol... but I guess everyone needs an outlet for their bitterness toward men. But still pathetic as hell

Do not invoke "critical thinking" merely to spew nonsense from your moral high horse.

If we are to apply actual critical thinking here, the obvious fact is that both individuals involved are celebrities. Lesser popularity does not make someone a non-celebrity. Kim Sae-ron is not an ordinary citizen; she has been a public figure in the film industry since childhood and has a substantial fanbase and widespread recognition. Therefore, to think critically is to acknowledge that both Kim Soo-hyun and Kim Sae-ron are celebrities. To argue otherwise reveals significant holes in your own "critical thinking."

You claim we are "refusing to understand what the writer meant," but no one is obligated to psychoanalyze a stranger's intentions on the internet. If the writer's point was unclear, the failure is theirs, not the reader's. They shouldn't post on Twitter expecting people to read between the lines; if they need someone to interpret their psyche, they should consult a psychologist. Most of us have better things to do than waste our lives deciphering ambiguous social media posts.

> "Obviously, the writer was referring to KSH as the celebrity, KSR as the victim. Reading other twitter comments before and after that comment proves this."

No. The writer was biased to frame one person as "the celebrity" and the other as "the victim" when both are public figures. Why should anyone have to research a user's entire post history to understand a single comment? If a person cannot make a coherent point in one statement, the problem is their inability to communicate, not the reader's lack of effort. Perhaps you should remind them to use their own critical thinking to see that both people are celebrities and to stop letting personal bias cloud their judgment.

> "Being PEDANTIC about the term 'celebrity' is an attempt to EVADE the real issue."

So, pointing out the simple fact that both parties are celebrities is now "evading the real issue"? It seems more likely that you are upset because this logical point exposes a hole in your narrative. Is calling it an "evasion" simply a projection to help you cope with your argument's weakness?

> "KSH fed KSR to cyberbullies to protect himself."

You are the one so hell-bent on lecturing us about critical thinking, so practice what you preach: provide proof. And I don't mean hearsay or "he said, she said" gossip. I mean concrete, verifiable evidence.

> "He has done this not only to KSR but to other artists as well."

Who, specifically? Name them and provide the evidence to back up this claim.

> "Note that narcissists are experts at playing the victim."

And who are you to diagnose someone as a narcissist? Are you a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist? If not, you have no right to casually label someone with a serious personality disorder. Narcissism isn't just an insult to throw around to demean people you dislike; it is a clinical diagnosis. Using it this way is both cruel and ignorant. Do better.

"Ha ha..." Is that how you respond when you have no logical comeback?

You call people "apologists" but can't name a single fault that requires an apology. Provide evidence, not just labels.

"Honestly" and "genuinely" are words for everyone. You don't get to gatekeep the dictionary. Get off your high horse.

You talk about a "dishonest past" but offer zero proof. Are you just repeating baseless rumors? The only clear dishonesty I see is from an account created specifically to attack someone during a scandal.

You're projecting your own issues onto everyone else. It's transparent and childish.

Circumstantial evidence can indeed build a compelling case, but it does not necessarily bring one closer to the truth. Circumstantial evidence is easily manipulated, as one of the parties involved has already demonstrated. It is also easily coerced, misinterpreted, used with ill intentions, and antagonized. Is that correct? Without direct evidence, one can only reach speculations that support their own projections, not the truth. You seem to believe that you cannot convince me because you lack direct evidence to support your claims. You know that I would not accept the circumstantial evidence you are suggesting and your narrative based upon it. Therefore, I too am glad you decided not to waste both of our time. It was a wise decision for someone like you.

Does any direct, concrete evidence exist, beyond mere speculation or rumor, to suggest that this man was dating that actress when she was a minor?

The writers really failed to write characters with depth so they turned out to be cringe and shallow instead. Nuance is what makes a story interesting and intriguing but it's not here in this story.

You are really petty, you know that? She just said she doesn’t like them—it’s a preference and a right to have. By questioning it and insulting her for her preference, calling her a whore and claiming she wants to 'get fucked by the lead actor,' you are the one being misogynistic. Honestly, I’m not surprised that it all went over your head. You are the very definition of a 'pick me.'

It looks too predictable...
Dramas these days follow the same structure, it's so over used.
I am bored.
Love the leads though.

Don't like Han Do. It's a shame because I was waiting to watch this for Jung sung ill after seeing him in glory.

K-drama writers often have difficulty differentiating between a strong, independent woman and a 'bitch.' If a man behaved in the way this supposed strong, independent woman behaves, he would not be called strong and independent, but rather a jerk. I have yet to see a good portrayal of a strong, independent woman without her being perceived as a 'bitch.'

This is why cliché romance dramas should not try to give opinions on social and political problems. lamo

It's because they made squid games s2 cater to a western audience... It's hilarious how they are trying to push the propaganda down people's throats... Stupidity has no amounts of shame I guess.

So just because the show is woke it deserves a good rating even though the writing is shit? Lol

And thanks for mentioning the trans part. I wouldn't waste my time watching this garbage of a show which promotes delusions.

Compared to s1 this season is very tone deaf. The writers have had no idea where to lead with the story and have gone the way of aburdist humour but unfortunately it just doesn't add up here. It all seems like a mess. Good cast but the story sucks. Plot hole after plot hole and very cartoonist characters. None of the characters had any real development, they all looked forced and ridiculous. It seems so off that a moment the show's tone is serious and then next it's just some ridiculous bs going on. There are ghosts, superpowers I mean wtf? Is this fantasy genre?... Was a huge fan of s1, I watched it years ago maybe my sense of humour changed over time... Idk, this show just sucks. I drop it from the ep 11. I am sad. I just loved this show so much back then.