this plot MAKES NO SENSE and its kinda frustrating at this point but im here for war and mark siwat... so like...…
I think so too. Especially in the latest episode, there were many things I did not get. Though I did get the meaning of the ring, so no problem with that. What really did bug me was Jack discussing with Rose and Save that it might be Boss's men who stole the money and robbed Rose's house, while Hope was standing right next to them. It is no secret that Hope works for Boss. Also Jack did not even wonder about Hope being there with Save at all. Did I miss something?
I don't get this line in the preview for next ep "If u make a deal to exchange lovers. Rose might agree to it."…
I am not sure, but I think the translation is off. I think she says something along the lines of "If you want a lover, you will see a lover". So, I think she suggests whomever (probably Jack) that he should pretend to be Roses lover in exchange for something (the necklace or money to pay back the debt). Just my guess though.
I think, The minute before the Ost is the true..And the last 3 Eps is the true too, Anything before it is just…
I think his heart stopped, but his brain is still working. At least for the next 4 minutes. Same as Great. So, the scene at the end with his grandmother is probably from the past, but replays in his head. I guess, he will also have the power to turn back time for 4 minutes and fix his past mistakes - at least in his head. It is also 11 o'clock. Thus, he actually died (or at least his heart stopped) at exactly the same time as Great. Not sure how it will play out in the end though.
From Great's perspective, he has suddenly gotten the power to see 4 minutes into the future. Actually that was…
Thank you very much for your comment. I am really happy that I was able to read it. Actually, I wondered about the incident with his mom at the end of episode 5, too. But then I forgot about it until you mentioned it again. From what I think: In the reality (episode 6) he just left after the argument with his mother, returned to his appartment and then got shot by Tonkla who wanted revenge for his brother's death. Then he probably was in coma for some time and his heart stopped on some day at 11 o'clock. He is now in his dreamworld and whenever he is alone, he sees the "real time" - starting at 11:00. By the end of episode 5, real time is at 11:03 for quite a while already. So it should be really close to 11:04. We know from Den's research and the mysterious room, where Lukwa and Great seem to have met, that the brain can only survive without oxygen for 4 minutes. So Great is now really close to his actual death and he relives his last moments before he got shot, which was the talk with his mother. What I wondered the most about the scene with his mother in the dream world: Actually the rewind here differs strongly from the other rewinds. Usually, he goes back 4 Minutes and relives the same scene and is able to change his own actions. In this scene, however, he sees the killer only when he is in the car already. No one is shot yet. Then he sees some images about his mother being dead (but not shot in the head - we actually do not know how she died). Then he goes 4 minutes back in time. Now, he should be able to change his actions, but this time the killer stands already in front of him and shoots immediately. It is not a simple "rewind" like in the other scenes or the killer should still be waiting by the trees. What I think is happening here: His memories of his last remaining regret (not telling his mother that he loves her) and himself getting shot by tonkla overlap in a weird way. His brain is really close to dying (it is almost 11:04) and he knows that somewhere deep inside. But in his dreamworld, he cannot imagine getting shot by Tonkla, because Doom is still alive. But nevertheless he knows that he got shot somehow. So his brain combines his death and the scene with his mom and his regret that he did not tell her that he loves her (despite everything she did). But there is still something weird going on as you mentioned yourself: Why does he have memories of his mom dying and how does/did she actually die? The only thing Great really saw clearly in those memories was the bracelet of his mother on the dead woman he believes to be his mother. I have an idea, but it is a bit farfetched. There are still some mysteries (or possible mysteries) left: 1.) What happend to Korn's mother? It was mentioned that she committed suicide. Great's mother tells him that it was due to her hard work that they got to move from the small house to his father's house. From what we know this is because of the "investment department" - the casinos because she introduced his father to Thymes parents. But at that time, his father was still married to his previous wife. So I think that she might have killed the previous wife - and it was not suicide after all. And maybe Great observed that in secret and saw the dead woman (and especially her bracelets). And now that his mother is the new wife, she also wears the juwelry of the dead previous wife - which includes the bracelets. 2.) What about Lukwa and the mysterious room where she learned about the 4 minutes and met Great? Did they meet in the past at some event? Or did they meet during the 4 minutes when their hearts stopped (somewhere out of time and space because it was probably not at the same time)? Also, Lukwa never told us whether the things she relived in the past and the changes she made had any impact on her actual life. Also, in the dreamworld Thyme tells Great about Doctor Den and the other person who was able to "see 4 Minutes into the future". That is something he should not be able to know, from what I think. So we still do not know for sure whether the dreamworld remains a dreamworld in Great's head or whether or not there is a possibility that the dreamworld might become a new reality somehow.
i think I am dumb af. cuz dafuq is happening ? I can't even see them dots let alone connecting em. What was EP…
From Great's perspective, he has suddenly gotten the power to see 4 minutes into the future. Actually that was never true. You get most of the answers you need from the discussions between Doctor Den and Lukwa (the girl whose heart once stopped). At the end of episode 1 she told the doctor that when her heart had stopped (but her brain was still working) she relived her past in her head and had the power to change certain events in her life. But all of this actually happened in her head. From this scene you know that Great's heart actually stopped at some point in his life (the scene was actually shown in the intro of episode 1). Episode 1-5 show his past and the decisions he regrets and would have liked to change. But in the end, he still got shot (probably because his body knows that he is dying already). Episode 6 shows us the reality - what really happend. Whereas most scenes from episode 1-5 (especially the things Great changed with his 4 Minutes rewind) exist only in Great's head, Ton Kla's and Win's scenes play in the reality. I am not sure whether or not you already watched episode 7, but it may help to know that episode 7 plays in the reality the whole time (at least from what I understand). It might also be fun to rewatch episode 1-5 after watching episode 6-7. You can find many hints from the reality, that get mixed into great's dreamworld.
how did you guys interpret tum and phone's ending? did tum end up traveling to one of the three universes to be…
He said that there are 3 universes only because he knew about Phone dying 1.) due to the car accident, 2.) at a construction site and 3.) by drowning. But obviously there is at least a 4. universe where there are 3 moons and Phone did not die.
I wonder whether the Number 4 is related to the 4 horseman because The One said that each of them went to another world.
Ikr. Plus, can I say?, it feels so out of character... I can't understand it. Not only the outing, just the whole…
I thought Kan just witnessed the stuff of jamnans group getting burned with the trash from school? And that he was the first person to witness that because he was "coincidentially" called there by thua? That was what I understood from the novel (though my thai is not the best, maybe i got it wrong)
I love both Dan and Thua with my whole heart, but I wish writers didn't add the outing part for Thua. It just…
Had to edit my comment - i remembered it wrong. He does not directly out akk and ayan in the novel, but at least in my opinion he kind of makes a hint saying that ayan might be afraid of what he could say and that ayan protects akk way too much. Then jamnan or someone in jamnans group does the outing
What really did bug me was Jack discussing with Rose and Save that it might be Boss's men who stole the money and robbed Rose's house, while Hope was standing right next to them. It is no secret that Hope works for Boss. Also Jack did not even wonder about Hope being there with Save at all. Did I miss something?
From what I think:
In the reality (episode 6) he just left after the argument with his mother, returned to his appartment and then got shot by Tonkla who wanted revenge for his brother's death. Then he probably was in coma for some time and his heart stopped on some day at 11 o'clock.
He is now in his dreamworld and whenever he is alone, he sees the "real time" - starting at 11:00. By the end of episode 5, real time is at 11:03 for quite a while already. So it should be really close to 11:04. We know from Den's research and the mysterious room, where Lukwa and Great seem to have met, that the brain can only survive without oxygen for 4 minutes. So Great is now really close to his actual death and he relives his last moments before he got shot, which was the talk with his mother.
What I wondered the most about the scene with his mother in the dream world: Actually the rewind here differs strongly from the other rewinds.
Usually, he goes back 4 Minutes and relives the same scene and is able to change his own actions. In this scene, however, he sees the killer only when he is in the car already. No one is shot yet. Then he sees some images about his mother being dead (but not shot in the head - we actually do not know how she died). Then he goes 4 minutes back in time. Now, he should be able to change his actions, but this time the killer stands already in front of him and shoots immediately. It is not a simple "rewind" like in the other scenes or the killer should still be waiting by the trees.
What I think is happening here: His memories of his last remaining regret (not telling his mother that he loves her) and himself getting shot by tonkla overlap in a weird way. His brain is really close to dying (it is almost 11:04) and he knows that somewhere deep inside. But in his dreamworld, he cannot imagine getting shot by Tonkla, because Doom is still alive. But nevertheless he knows that he got shot somehow. So his brain combines his death and the scene with his mom and his regret that he did not tell her that he loves her (despite everything she did).
But there is still something weird going on as you mentioned yourself: Why does he have memories of his mom dying and how does/did she actually die? The only thing Great really saw clearly in those memories was the bracelet of his mother on the dead woman he believes to be his mother.
I have an idea, but it is a bit farfetched. There are still some mysteries (or possible mysteries) left:
1.) What happend to Korn's mother? It was mentioned that she committed suicide. Great's mother tells him that it was due to her hard work that they got to move from the small house to his father's house. From what we know this is because of the "investment department" - the casinos because she introduced his father to Thymes parents. But at that time, his father was still married to his previous wife. So I think that she might have killed the previous wife - and it was not suicide after all. And maybe Great observed that in secret and saw the dead woman (and especially her bracelets). And now that his mother is the new wife, she also wears the juwelry of the dead previous wife - which includes the bracelets.
2.) What about Lukwa and the mysterious room where she learned about the 4 minutes and met Great? Did they meet in the past at some event? Or did they meet during the 4 minutes when their hearts stopped (somewhere out of time and space because it was probably not at the same time)? Also, Lukwa never told us whether the things she relived in the past and the changes she made had any impact on her actual life. Also, in the dreamworld Thyme tells Great about Doctor Den and the other person who was able to "see 4 Minutes into the future". That is something he should not be able to know, from what I think. So we still do not know for sure whether the dreamworld remains a dreamworld in Great's head or whether or not there is a possibility that the dreamworld might become a new reality somehow.
At the end of episode 1 she told the doctor that when her heart had stopped (but her brain was still working) she relived her past in her head and had the power to change certain events in her life. But all of this actually happened in her head. From this scene you know that Great's heart actually stopped at some point in his life (the scene was actually shown in the intro of episode 1). Episode 1-5 show his past and the decisions he regrets and would have liked to change. But in the end, he still got shot (probably because his body knows that he is dying already). Episode 6 shows us the reality - what really happend. Whereas most scenes from episode 1-5 (especially the things Great changed with his 4 Minutes rewind) exist only in Great's head, Ton Kla's and Win's scenes play in the reality. I am not sure whether or not you already watched episode 7, but it may help to know that episode 7 plays in the reality the whole time (at least from what I understand).
It might also be fun to rewatch episode 1-5 after watching episode 6-7. You can find many hints from the reality, that get mixed into great's dreamworld.
I wonder whether the Number 4 is related to the 4 horseman because The One said that each of them went to another world.