Binged the first four on Viki and now I'm sadly out of translated eps. I had zero expectations on this series but so far it's extremely well made and engaging. The acting is on point and there's a fair amount of humour to keep the plentiful conversations from being too dry. The beginning was intense and they did well getting across the awesome power of the river and the problem it presents. Since I know nothing about this aspect of history I'm genuinely interested in finding out what the solution is going to be.
Also those two bickering ministers are hilarious together and have some of the best scenes.
Fair warning, super spoilers for whole drama ahead: Allrighty 😃 , Here's a waaaaaaay too long summation of all that went down . Skip to last paragraph if you just wanna know what happened to the kid.
ACT 1 Disaster between Yinuo and Xiao Lu after having Hehe. Chaos from family dynamics between the two families. Yinuo: Depressed, feels abandoned by Xiao Lu, excessively worried about Hehe, acts out and is mean. Xiao Lu: Is not involved in the family, works constantly and is not supporting Yinuo.
Xiao Lu cheats with another woman. The woman comes to Hehe's first birthday partner and reveals the affair to EVERYONE 😮. Yinuo divorce Xiao Lu and since she hates him forbids him from seeing Hehe. (Pretty fcking mean of her)
ACT 2 Yinuo marries her and Xiao Lu's childhood friend Tian Hua. FLASHFORWARD some years.
Hehe is diagnosed with leukemia -> is hospitalized. Huge drama and tension between Yinuo/Xiao Lu. Eventual reconciliation . Now Yinuo/Tian hua/Xiao Lu is a team against cancer.
ACT 3 Hehe is matched with a donor! Yaay! But not yay because the donor changes her mind. New solution: Yinuo and Xiao Lu are gonna have another child which will have 50% chance of being a donor match. They're gonna do it with IVF, they have to pretend to be wife and husband. Turns out that Yinuo's ladyparts aren't in shape for IVF right now. New solution: do it the "natural way" -> Yinuo can't go through with it.
Yinou becomes pregnant with her and Tian Hua's child.... She considers aborting to try IVF again. Tian Hua wanna stop her and report her and Xiao Lu to the state. Now they can't do IVFF. Yinuo finds out and it leads to her miscarrying :o. Yet more pain when Tian Hua recognized he sort of caused the miscarriage.
Simultaneously Xiao Lu's old boss has been found to be a match to Hehe- Yaaay. BUT: due to a misunderstanding the boss believes Xiao Lu betrayed him causing his business to fail and ain't gonna donate - sad again :(
Final episode is Hehe getting sicker, the whole extended family losing all their money to treatment, and Hehe accepting she's gonna die. The old boss changes his mind and decides to help Hehe. The series end with Hehe being 8 years old, we see shots of her living, her hair growing out. All in all not overly sad series at all (excluding the scene with Hehe shaving her hair T-T)
does anyone know any dramas have the same vibe with this one, like the sadness is never ending and i like it
Not sure if you've seen "The Bad Kids". They share a screenwriter, dude who plays Xiao Lu acts in it, and visually it's similar. Similarities are the sadness and the vibe, they also feature complex familysetups and the acting is impeccable. It's a crime "thriller" (a really slow chill one that still focuses primarily on characters).
If you're up for a movie I'd recommend "A Sun" (2019). It's also about how a family deals with supremely difficult events. It's similarly realistic like this one, really sad, and focuses a lot on family dynamics and tensions. Like this one it features a lot of social commentary.
Hmmm, I waited to see how they would deal with the aftermath of last week. Since Porsche was drugged of his head, it was pretty clear he could not consent. When I saw it I found it disturbing that they portrayed it as erotic/romantic. The next morning, for me at least, had Porsche been completely ok with everything, went with some "sex is nice" approach I could maybe shift my perspective on that scene. But here they focused on Porsche’s pain and confusion; they showed clearly that he would NOT have consented with sound mind.
I feel that the series wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They needed the r@pe to happen as a catalyst, but then they also wanted a hot erotic sexscene. They can only have one of these. Since this is a mafia story it's gonna be disturbing, and Kinn taking advantage of Porsche makes sense storywise, so no problem having it in the series. However why not commit to the dark story they're trying to tell and portray the sex as the problematic thing it was last episode. Feels like they prioritize titillating the viewers over the story they’re telling. Note: I do recognize views on what happened and Porsche’s feelings varies, this is how I see it.
Despite being disappointed in these choices, the series is otherwise entertaining as hell. The actors are /fantastic/, I'm extremely impressed. It's funny and the cinematography is good. While Kinn was a bit of a dick seeing him trying to sweet talk Porsche and /struggling/ was hilarious
I've got a fair amount of sympathy for someone as emotionally constipated as Khluen, like that must be rough. But damn this episode I just wanted to shake some sense into this dummy. My only hope is that preview, actual words on feelings being spoken. Growth is slow but steady...
I have never been so disappointed with myself as a viewer after finishing a TV show as I am now after finishing…
Tnx for the AvenueX rec. Her analysis was superinteresting 😃
I for one was unsatisfied with the literal ending, the happy happy resolution didn't fit the tone or progression of the story. The series set up the whole fairy tale ending vs. real ending pretty solidly. So I don't think it's overinterpretation to see alternate endings here.
I'm pretty close to AvenueX view. I assumed that Pu Pu died. That deleted scene was telling and solidifies that assumption. I never saw it as Inspector Chen died, for me I thought Yan Liang drowned falling into the water. From the point he woke up after getting dragged out we're no longer seeing reality. So him talking to Chen is his afterlife, an ideal ending with an adopted father telling him Pu Pu is alive and safe. That's my headcanon anyhow and I'm good with that. But yeah, there's room for multiple options.
For me, not all the time in a man x man sex. It is a must between a man a woman but not in same sex act. Please…
Just a couple of thoughts on the statement that "Men can usually defend themselves from predators if sexually assaulted except under the influence of alcohol or drugs or under restraint." This is inaccurate and ties into some harmful myths about r@pe. Men /are/ r@ped, and not only when physically incapacitated. - Most men are physically weaker than a large segment of the rest of the male population. For any two individuals one will be the "fragile" one, regardless of gender. - R@pe is not always violent involving physical force, and there's also a huge element of power and control. - There's no universal response to r@pe. When we're threatened the brain will fall back to instinctual survival responses. A really common one is to "freeze", where disbelief and trauma leads to a kind of passive submission.
Maybe I misunderstood you and I'm sorry if that's the case. I just didn't agree with that statement. I think sentiments like that can lead to victims being judged and disbelieved, making it harder to report. I still respect your right to your own opinion and perspective.
Dear, you can't ignore all the warning signs and then complain it's fucked up, you're literally watching a show…
Critique is definitely allowed, but seems to be quite unappreciated on this particular page. I get where you're coming from, I'm also not sure about the tone shift. I was completely expecting a darkturn of course but it did feel abrupt in the context of the show. It felt jarring. If they'd established a bit more somber tone it really could have made the viewer feel the gravitas of the pretty serious events going on here. And have made them feel more grounded in the story. But yeah, plenty to enjoy in this series as well.
A lot of people say Porsche was drugged and I wanna say this -- he was given an aphrodisiac, to my knowledge this…
I definitely agree that different perspectives are ok and normal : ) For me who hasn't read the book, I in no way interpreted the substance as an aphrodisiac. This is because Porsche stumbled and was cognitively impaired in the auction bathroom. He was then clearly out of it, seeing things blurry with Vegas. After throwing up he still had difficulty walking and maintaining his balance in the bathroom with Kinn. He also acted strange and silly, like when he ran towards the window. His whole behavior screamed "high". Such as him rubbing his face against Kinn's chest or playing with his junk randomly. So for me, it was very clear that the substance still had effect in the bathroom with Kinn. I don't know how people act under a sedative but maybe that's what he was dosed with then (like ppl commented here). That's how I saw it anyhow, just watching it not knowing the novelstuff. Maybe next episode clarifies.
Very moody. Very information dense. Props to that one scene with Chen Gong & the governor in the dark rain. One in white, one in black, covered by the yellow umbrella - looked real nice. Whole drama looks nice in fact.
For sure didn't think this would be as funny as it's been so far. My type of humor so not complaining. Porsche with Tankul is pure insanity.
The final scene in ep three was awesome, probably up there for me with the talk between Porsche & his brother in the first episode. Lovely with scenes that are allowed to take its time and breathe. Great chance for actors to flesh out their character and relationships (they did a really good job btw). Seems like they'll be able to carry more serious and dramatic scenes that are bound to come. We haven't really gotten to many meaningful interactions Kinn/Porsche-wise so the final scene was a good choice. Also, the kinda fraught emotional bonding over shared pain was a sign of a way more caring and tender relationship than I'd expected (based on comments not the book).
I sort of wish they'd placed greater emotional and dramatic emphasis on the fact that Porsche legit killed/murdered a man. In the final dialogue Porsche was distressed over what happened, but for me it fell more in the category of "distress over belonging to the mafia considering his past". It's trauma though so I guess it can take many forms, and be expressed in a bunch of different ways. Liking the series so far, cool to see where it's heading.
I swear this was the most feelgood show I've seen in ages. The humor was on point (if you're ok with some slapstick)…
I felt it lagged a bit the final episodes, it kinda peaked with the shop-competition storyline. Wasn't very invested in the grand final conspiracy, felt it didn't really fit the light tone of the show. The stakes felt very low.
Funniest scenes of the series: Prince Ning teaching ML how to "manage the wife" // Two mercenaries dance-fighting to tangomusic // ML writing a book on "mastering controlling the husband" and single handedly altering the social fabric of an entire town...
I swear this was the most feelgood show I've seen in ages. The humor was on point (if you're ok with some slapstick) and the lack of serious tension or angst was perfect for me at this point in time. Love the development of the relationship, not overly mushy, a comforting look at married life. The cinematography was also better than I'd expected somehow? Long sweeping takes where the camera moves within the scenery, and the supercloseups on character faces to sell the jokes - well done IMO. Xu Qing Jia is my favorite ML since Ning Yi in Rise of Phoenixes. Decent rewatch value for certain scenes.
So, I see people just need something to hate on kinnporsche wheather it's consent thing, morality, toning down…
Presenting negative critique or simply stating your personal opinion on a show does not mean people are necessarily "hating". In a public forum it's completely natural and expected for opinions to vary.
Wouldn't this page be nicer and more positive if we could accept the existence of different viewpoints, and not just the one we align with? I'm enjoying KP so far but it's absolutely cool that others might feel otherwise : )
Also those two bickering ministers are hilarious together and have some of the best scenes.
Allrighty 😃 , Here's a waaaaaaay too long summation of all that went down . Skip to last paragraph if you just wanna know what happened to the kid.
ACT 1
Disaster between Yinuo and Xiao Lu after having Hehe. Chaos from family dynamics between the two families.
Yinuo: Depressed, feels abandoned by Xiao Lu, excessively worried about Hehe, acts out and is mean.
Xiao Lu: Is not involved in the family, works constantly and is not supporting Yinuo.
Xiao Lu cheats with another woman. The woman comes to Hehe's first birthday partner and reveals the affair to EVERYONE 😮. Yinuo divorce Xiao Lu and since she hates him forbids him from seeing Hehe. (Pretty fcking mean of her)
ACT 2
Yinuo marries her and Xiao Lu's childhood friend Tian Hua. FLASHFORWARD some years.
Hehe is diagnosed with leukemia -> is hospitalized.
Huge drama and tension between Yinuo/Xiao Lu. Eventual reconciliation . Now Yinuo/Tian hua/Xiao Lu is a team against cancer.
ACT 3
Hehe is matched with a donor! Yaay! But not yay because the donor changes her mind.
New solution: Yinuo and Xiao Lu are gonna have another child which will have 50% chance of being a donor match. They're gonna do it with IVF, they have to pretend to be wife and husband. Turns out that Yinuo's ladyparts aren't in shape for IVF right now.
New solution: do it the "natural way" -> Yinuo can't go through with it.
Yinou becomes pregnant with her and Tian Hua's child.... She considers aborting to try IVF again. Tian Hua wanna stop her and report her and Xiao Lu to the state. Now they can't do IVFF. Yinuo finds out and it leads to her miscarrying :o. Yet more pain when Tian Hua recognized he sort of caused the miscarriage.
Simultaneously Xiao Lu's old boss has been found to be a match to Hehe- Yaaay.
BUT: due to a misunderstanding the boss believes Xiao Lu betrayed him causing his business to fail and ain't gonna donate - sad again :(
Final episode is Hehe getting sicker, the whole extended family losing all their money to treatment, and Hehe accepting she's gonna die. The old boss changes his mind and decides to help Hehe. The series end with Hehe being 8 years old, we see shots of her living, her hair growing out. All in all not overly sad series at all (excluding the scene with Hehe shaving her hair T-T)
If you're up for a movie I'd recommend "A Sun" (2019). It's also about how a family deals with supremely difficult events. It's similarly realistic like this one, really sad, and focuses a lot on family dynamics and tensions. Like this one it features a lot of social commentary.
I feel that the series wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They needed the r@pe to happen as a catalyst, but then they also wanted a hot erotic sexscene. They can only have one of these. Since this is a mafia story it's gonna be disturbing, and Kinn taking advantage of Porsche makes sense storywise, so no problem having it in the series. However why not commit to the dark story they're trying to tell and portray the sex as the problematic thing it was last episode. Feels like they prioritize titillating the viewers over the story they’re telling. Note: I do recognize views on what happened and Porsche’s feelings varies, this is how I see it.
Despite being disappointed in these choices, the series is otherwise entertaining as hell. The actors are /fantastic/, I'm extremely impressed. It's funny and the cinematography is good. While Kinn was a bit of a dick seeing him trying to sweet talk Porsche and /struggling/ was hilarious
I for one was unsatisfied with the literal ending, the happy happy resolution didn't fit the tone or progression of the story. The series set up the whole fairy tale ending vs. real ending pretty solidly. So I don't think it's overinterpretation to see alternate endings here.
I'm pretty close to AvenueX view. I assumed that Pu Pu died. That deleted scene was telling and solidifies that assumption. I never saw it as Inspector Chen died, for me I thought Yan Liang drowned falling into the water. From the point he woke up after getting dragged out we're no longer seeing reality. So him talking to Chen is his afterlife, an ideal ending with an adopted father telling him Pu Pu is alive and safe. That's my headcanon anyhow and I'm good with that. But yeah, there's room for multiple options.
- Most men are physically weaker than a large segment of the rest of the male population. For any two individuals one will be the "fragile" one, regardless of gender.
- R@pe is not always violent involving physical force, and there's also a huge element of power and control.
- There's no universal response to r@pe. When we're threatened the brain will fall back to instinctual survival responses. A really common one is to "freeze", where disbelief and trauma leads to a kind of passive submission.
Maybe I misunderstood you and I'm sorry if that's the case. I just didn't agree with that statement. I think sentiments like that can lead to victims being judged and disbelieved, making it harder to report. I still respect your right to your own opinion and perspective.
The final scene in ep three was awesome, probably up there for me with the talk between Porsche & his brother in the first episode. Lovely with scenes that are allowed to take its time and breathe. Great chance for actors to flesh out their character and relationships (they did a really good job btw). Seems like they'll be able to carry more serious and dramatic scenes that are bound to come. We haven't really gotten to many meaningful interactions Kinn/Porsche-wise so the final scene was a good choice. Also, the kinda fraught emotional bonding over shared pain was a sign of a way more caring and tender relationship than I'd expected (based on comments not the book).
I sort of wish they'd placed greater emotional and dramatic emphasis on the fact that Porsche legit killed/murdered a man. In the final dialogue Porsche was distressed over what happened, but for me it fell more in the category of "distress over belonging to the mafia considering his past". It's trauma though so I guess it can take many forms, and be expressed in a bunch of different ways. Liking the series so far, cool to see where it's heading.
Funniest scenes of the series: Prince Ning teaching ML how to "manage the wife" // Two mercenaries dance-fighting to tangomusic // ML writing a book on "mastering controlling the husband" and single handedly altering the social fabric of an entire town...
Wouldn't this page be nicer and more positive if we could accept the existence of different viewpoints, and not just the one we align with? I'm enjoying KP so far but it's absolutely cool that others might feel otherwise : )